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[Musashi]

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[Musashi]

It looks like the Polish national socialists have lost the EU elections. They hadn’t lost any major elections for 10 years before.

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[Jake84]

From the BBC:

BREAKING France's President Macron calls for new elections in wake of EU poll results​

President Emmanuel Macron has said he is dissolving parliament and is calling for new elections following the performance of the far-right National Rally in the European elections.

He has called for parliamentary elections to be held on 30 June.

 

[Telmar]

French president Macron calls for new parliamentary elections at the end of June after having lost big time against the RN that is not extreme right but a strong right. Really possble Marine le Pen will welcome all athletes during the next Olympics!!!

In Slovakia, official results will be announced after 23h00 BUT finally a loss for the leftist pro Putin coalition. PS, Progressive Slovakia, economic conservatives won with 28% three points ahead of SMER (coalition leading party). Third party is Republika, who unlike the french RN are really a bunch of Putin loving nazis.

 

[Musashi]

El señor Macron tiene cojones.

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[Musashi]

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[Musashi]

Wow, Putain’s friends gained a lot in 2 biggest EU countries. Something opposite happened in Poland, as we don’t have any major problems with immigrants from #shitholeCountries.

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[primer]

I wonder if this result will shut up the under 18 vote pushed by left.

 

[Jake84]

Wow, Putain’s friends gained a lot in 2 biggest EU countries. Something opposite happened in Poland, as we don’t have any major problems with immigrants from #shitholeCountries.

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What you reap is what you sow… you say it yourself, nobody or very few frenchies or krauts would vote for National Rally or AfD if every single day a third World turd wouldn’t stab someone even in smaller cities and rural towns.

At some point, enough already. And no, the watchtowers and barbwire are not ready yet for the dummies thinking and making that moronic point.

 

[Musashi]

Polexit: 0.3%

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[primer]

The disconnect with the press between immigrants and youth unempolyment, not one story of a study can be found. Macrons year of compulsory is not much of a solution either if this is a reason.

 

[Musashi]

What you reap is what you sow… you say it yourself, nobody or very few frenchies or krauts would vote for National Rally or AfD if every single day a third World turd wouldn’t stab someone even in smaller cities and rural towns.

At some point, enough already. And no, the watchtowers and barbwire are not ready yet for the dummies thinking and making that moronic point.

I don’t care about it, but it’s bad for Ukraine. A Polish journalist said Le Pen refused to take AfD to the same group in the EU parliament and she likes Meloni being there.

Anyway, zone rouge is in the wrong place

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[Musashi]

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[Musashi]

I love how how Visegrad24 is covering the EU election in random EU countries apart from Poland despite being a Polish Twatter channel:

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Likewise, they didn’t notice PiS lost the elections on the 15th of October 2023 either.
@muck I've edited my post to quote the message above.

 

[muck]

@Musashi & @Jake84

Regarding Germany, this is a very simplistic analysis on your part.

Surely, you don't mean to tell me that in so polarised a political climate, the same people who endorsed the pro-immigration, pro-enviromentalist Greens in 2019 just threw themselves at the anti-immigration, anti-environmentalist AfD in a heartbeat? That's schizophrenic.

Yes, Germany does have a problem with immigration-related crime, but it's not like the situation has changed massively over the past three to five years. AfD's strong showing amongst younger voters is due to a variety of reasons.

• In 2019, the Greens' got something of a boost from first-time voters motivated by the Greta Thunberg craze but they were never reliably the strongest political force amongst Germany's under-25. In fact, it was the cente-right liberals who in 2021 won the highest share of the first-time vote. Young voters have a way of throwing themselves at every new thing in town (which is why I'm highly opposed to the vote for under 18's). In 2013, it was the Pirates Party (!) that won a plurality amongst 18-year-olds.
• Recency bias. The islamist attack at Mannheim had the same effect as the 2021 Ahrtal valley floods or the 2019 Greta Thunberg craze.
• The average Greens voter comes from the wealthy suburbs, is female and has an above-average level of education. The Greens like to see themselves as a people's party, but are ultimately elitist. Their 2019 growth was unsustainable.
• AfD has by far the strongest internet presence of all German political parties. They're particularly active on Tiktok and if you check out their content there, it hasn't got a whole lot to do with what the party actually advocates for on a daily basis.
• AfD is a typical protest party. As they're shunned by the mainstream, they're the go-to option for people who want to "teach the government a lesson", with some 40% polling they don't care about AfD's ideology.
• Immigration is not even amongst the top five of issues first-time voter polling identified as important to 18-year-olds today (unfortunately … and neither is the war in Ukraine). What they worry the most about is high prices, energy costs and lack of affordable housing.

As a matter of fact, what I think this election shows the most (and what is mostly misunderstood by all the media and all the parties in this country) is that a significant share of the young population is absolutely apolitical in the classical sense. They don't care about labels like right, left, centre; they have no ideology; and they couldn't give a toss about the grand themes dominating politics.

Personally, I'm rather pleased with these results. Yes, it's regrettable that AfD won so many votes but all-in-all, reason prevailed.

 

[Telmar]

I love how how Visegrad24 is covering the EU election in random EU countries apart from Poland despite being a Polish Twatter channel:

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Likewise, they didn’t notice PiS lost the elections on the 15th of October 2023 either.
@muck I've edited my post to quote the message above.

The biggest winners are center right parties overall. If you put France aside, many countries voted sensibly.

As for France, at 33% the RN is a major player layered over multiple population groups. The RN won in Guadeloupe, Guyana, Reunion and did strong in Martinique. So much for the racist babble. The RN is mostly harmful because their people seem extremely competent at waging populist campaigns wirth a leftist view on economic principles.

 

[Jake84]

@Musashi & @Jake84

Regarding Germany, this is a very simplistic analysis on your part.

Surely, you don't mean to tell me that in so polarised a political climate, the same people who endorsed the pro-immigration, pro-enviromentalist Greens in 2019 just threw themselves at the anti-immigration, anti-environmentalist AfD in a heartbeat? That's schizophrenic.

At the same time maybe that’s « simplistic » for a sophisticated man like you but there really is no reason to complicate things all that much either.

The highest concerns in France because I can’t speak all that much for Germany aren’t necessarily the drug problems/migrants, the odd jihadis stabbing random people and anything that gravitates around it even if the situation is dramatic.

Your posts and the last paragraphs are entirely valid, cost of energy, cost of living overall is a real issue apparently in all of Europe.

I’d agree with Telmar, at this point the National Rally never got close to governing on a national level anyway, despite winning parliament seats and some towns. We’ll see if they make a majority in our parliament what they can accomplish, or not.

 

[Musashi]

The biggest winners are center right parties overall. If you put France aside, many countries voted sensibly.

As for France, at 33% the RN is a major player layered over multiple population groups. The RN won in Guadeloupe, Guyana, Reunion and did strong in Martinique. So much for the racist babble. The RN is mostly harmful because their people seem extremely competent at waging populist campaigns wirth a leftist view on economic principles.

Add Mayotte to your list where locals are exposed to illegal immigration from neighbouring #shitholeCountries.
This article was written by a Polish guy living in France:

Hell on an exotic island

The island’s outline resembles a seahorse

weekly.tvp.pl

 

[Musashi]

@muck
A Polish Twatter user shared this explanation about AfD's popularity amongst young Germans. It was posted by a German woman and everybody can translate it.
It's a long roll, so you need to click it and read 10 or 11 messages.

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[Mike1976]

@Musashi & @Jake84

Regarding Germany, this is a very simplistic analysis on your part.

Surely, you don't mean to tell me that in so polarised a political climate, the same people who endorsed the pro-immigration, pro-enviromentalist Greens in 2019 just threw themselves at the anti-immigration, anti-environmentalist AfD in a heartbeat? That's schizophrenic.

Yes, Germany does have a problem with immigration-related crime, but it's not like the situation has changed massively over the past three to five years. AfD's strong showing amongst younger voters is due to a variety of reasons.

• In 2019, the Greens' got something of a boost from first-time voters motivated by the Greta Thunberg craze but they were never reliably the strongest political force amongst Germany's under-25. In fact, it was the cente-right liberals who in 2021 won the highest share of the first-time vote. Young voters have a way of throwing themselves at every new thing in town (which is why I'm highly opposed to the vote for under 18's). In 2013, it was the Pirates Party (!) that won a plurality amongst 18-year-olds.
• Recency bias. The islamist attack at Mannheim had the same effect as the 2021 Ahrtal valley floods or the 2019 Greta Thunberg craze.
• The average Greens voter comes from the wealthy suburbs, is female and has an above-average level of education. The Greens like to see themselves as a people's party, but are ultimately elitist. Their 2019 growth was unsustainable.
• AfD has by far the strongest internet presence of all German political parties. They're particularly active on Tiktok and if you check out their content there, it hasn't got a whole lot to do with what the party actually advocates for on a daily basis.
• AfD is a typical protest party. As they're shunned by the mainstream, they're the go-to option for people who want to "teach the government a lesson", with some 40% polling they don't care about AfD's ideology.
• Immigration is not even amongst the top five of issues first-time voter polling identified as important to 18-year-olds today (unfortunately … and neither is the war in Ukraine). What they worry the most about is high prices, energy costs and lack of affordable housing.

As a matter of fact, what I think this election shows the most (and what is mostly misunderstood by all the media and all the parties in this country) is that a significant share of the young population is absolutely apolitical in the classical sense. They don't care about labels like right, left, centre; they have no ideology; and they couldn't give a toss about the grand themes dominating politics.

Personally, I'm rather pleased with these results. Yes, it's regrettable that AfD won so many votes but all-in-all, reason prevailed.

High prices, energy costs, lack of affordable housing are all effects of obsessive focus on climate change only exacerbated by migrants automatically being moved to the front of the queue for housing and free new stuff while taxpayers get refused at foodbanks because they earn €10 too much to qualify.

Young people feel the effects of environmental protection legislation every day and the effects of immigration occasionally to rarely. Emphasises the brain rot in major cities where highly educated high income young women vote into power parties who will make sure they can't get a house, get taxed to death, pay a premium for all costs of living and get sexually harassed (at minimum) by migrants on the streets.