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[otomo68]

In this region France needs Australia more then Australia needs France but French politicians arrogance and stupidity prevent them from understanding that simple fact so now they compete with Chincom for the title of biggest whinger of the day every day. I pity France for having such leaders

Why would France need Australia in this region? If it is at the economic level, yes, but Australia also needs us (they buy products from us and we buy products from them.
if it's on a military level, we don't need Australia to defend our territories (New Caledonia, Tahiti, Wallis and Futuna)?
who would want or who could attack us?
I exclude the USA, New Zealand and Australia which are normally our allies. the only one left is China which is starting to scare its neighbors, more or less close, including the USA
I think that if China attacked one of our territories, Australia would start shitting its pants.

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I put you a twitter link of the spokesman of the ministry of the armies (french):

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[Redav]

France ordered officials to 'get revenge' on the US, UK, and Australia after it was ditched from $50 billion submarine contract, report says

France is furious that Australia canceled a lucrative submarine contract with a French firm in favor of a new alliance with the US and the UK.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[muck]

In this region France needs Australia more then Australia needs France but French politicians arrogance and stupidity prevent them from understanding that simple fact so now they compete with Chincom for the title of biggest whinger of the day every day. I pity France for having such leaders

France doesn't need Australia at all to maintain security in the pacific region. They have a permanent garrison there. Australia doesn't need France to guarantee the safety of Australia either. The point is that when it comes to the pacific region, France is way more of a useful ally to Australia than the United Kingdom could be. The sheer discrepancy between what facilities, garrisons and forces the French maintain in the pacific compared to those of the British, and the size of their territorial waters there, speak volumes about this fact.

It's not just national pride,

The average citizen may care about national pride. The average strategist wonders how much allies can be trusted who put long-term plans into motion to sabotage their nation's foreign policy, feigning to do one thing and in secrecy preparing to do the other. Australia could've simply cancelled the contract, it's not like procurement programmes don't get axed left, right and centre.

If I was a French taxpayer, I'd be asking why this cancellation is going to cost me more money.

I don't understand your point. Even the most simple-minded consumer has a basic understanding of economies of scale.

So it's logical for the French government to deflect blame away from themselves and their defence contractors.

I don't see why the French government would be to blame? They have done nothing wrong.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

AUKUS reshapes the strategic landscape of the Indo-Pacific

A major submarine deal underscores how the new theatre for great-power competition is maritime

www.economist.com

 

[morris]

Why would France need Australia in this region?

France doesn't need Australia at all to maintain security in the pacific region.

Which doesn't contradict my statement about Australian zero need for France and explains reason why France wasn't informed about AUKUS creation in advance.

 

[morris]

Agreement with AUKUS implications - The Essential Report Archive

Q. Australia recently announced a trilateral partnership with the US and UK (known as AUKUS) which will deliver a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines for Australia. The new security pact sees Australia cancel […]

essentialvision.com.au

The survey of 1,094 respondents shows 62% believed Australia was correct to pursue the nuclear submarine deal with the US and the UK, while 54% agreed with the statement: “The Aukus partnership is in Australia’s best security and economic interests.”

 

[Redav]

The 5 Main Options For Australia’s AUKUS Nuclear Submarine Deal - Naval News

As Australia looks set to join the elite club of nuclear submarine operators, we explore the options. The U.S. Navy's Virginia Class? The Royal Navy's Astute Class? Or something new? We have identified the 5 most obvious candidates.

www.navalnews.com

 

[morris]

Le Drian Announces Return of French Ambassador to Australia

On Wednesday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian announced that the French Ambassador to Australia will return to Canberra after he was summoned to Paris after Australia canceled a submarine contract with France. The French Foreign Minister told Parliament he had "now asked our...

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The French Foreign Minister told Parliament he had "now asked our ambassador to return to Canberra with two objectives: helping to define our relationship with Australia in the future... and firmly defend our interests in the implementation of Australia's decision to terminate the submarine program."

 

[morris]

British Astute-class submarine soon to visit Perth.
Also the naval base Stirling is considered as a promising base for British nuclear submarines in the future.

The link behind pay wall.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/defence/british-nuclear-subs-visit-may-be-astute-ad/news-story/49696e29561a9dbb812f167c76c87f9e

 

[Rynoki]

A link to a in depth look at the Australian submarine decision. It's long (1hr,20min) but very informative.

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[BCNTM]

Video - Emmanuel Macon accuses Scott Morrison of lying to him over submarine deal

French President Emmanuel Macron told reporters that Australia's prime minister Scott Morrison had lied to him over the cancellation of a submarine building contract in September.

news.sky.com

oops

'We didn't deface the Eiffel Tower': Australia accuses Macron of over-reacting to submarine snub

The French president accused Australia of "lying" over the cancellation of their submarine building contract prior to signing the Aukus deal

www.telegraph.co.uk

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[BCNTM]

French officials vent fury over Australian leak of Macron text message

Confidence shattered by ‘crude’ leak of president’s message to prime minister Scott Morrison, says adviser

www.theguardian.com

?? ?

 

[Rynoki]

French officials vent fury over Australian leak of Macron text message

Confidence shattered by ‘crude’ leak of president’s message to prime minister Scott Morrison, says adviser

www.theguardian.com

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They're angry because it calls out their bulldust.

 

[morris]

The Royal Navy nuclear-powered submarine (SSN) Astute is conducting a port call to Perth (Western Australia).

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British nuclear-powered sub visits Perth - Australian Defence Magazine

The Astute class submarine went alongside HMAS Stirling in Rockingham, WA on Friday.

www.australiandefence.com.au

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British nuclear submarine HMS Astute has docked in Western Australia just hours after French President Emmanuel Macron accused Prime Minister Scott Morrison of "breaking their relationship of trust".

Some people say they got in just to get few cartons of Emu.

 

[BCNTM]

The game-changing potential of the B-21

The B21 is expected to be the world’s most advanced, cost-effective long-range strike capability. With recent technology sharing arrangements in place under the AUKUS agreement, Australia must make

www.defenceconnect.com.au

 

[BravoZulu]

The game-changing potential of the B-21

The B21 is expected to be the world’s most advanced, cost-effective long-range strike capability. With recent technology sharing arrangements in place under the AUKUS agreement, Australia must make

www.defenceconnect.com.au

I smell another "low" end of the Hi-Lo mix F-35 coming

 

[BCNTM]

I smell another "low" end of the Hi-Lo mix F-35 coming

You are going to need some more tankers for the F35's which would be vulnerable

Or throw a load more money at building a slightly bigger 'Loyal Wingman' with a much larger operating range- and better anti ship stand-off weapons

I would go for the latter

 

[BCNTM]

UK, Australia and US agree to 'accelerate development' on hypersonic missile technology

Leaders of the three countries - whose alliance was initially seen as reflecting concerns about China - described Russia's invasion of Ukraine as "unprovoked, unjustified and unlawful".

news.sky.com

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[BCNTM]

Japan tipped to join AUKUS as hypersonic missile deal to terrify Putin

JAPAN has reportedly been hit with an offer to join AUKUS, a security pact, as the West scrambles to develop more hypersonic weapons to stand up to Vladimir Putin.

www.express.co.uk

 

[pigmode]

US Canada and Japan Complete Exercises Supporting Australia’s Indo-Pacific Deployment

Maritime forces from Canada, Japan, and the United States concluded exercises in the South China Sea in support of Royal ...

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