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[Ivan le Fou]

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Do they though?

Are you trying to meme, or is that statement based on your "knowledge" of the US?

What's the name of that town you were talking about by the way? You know, where the Republican right-wing mayor yelled at people while throwing horse manure at gay people and minorities?

 

[tea-drinker]

Just to be clear? You think that Navy SEAL's will ignore the laws of the US about using military force on US citizens and attack and kill civilians on the orders of the President?

If USA goes further down the sh*tter, maybe not SEALs but sure, another branch. Constitution and free speech is getting pretty well sh*t on, Feds are on some sort of jihad, courts not far behind and press loving it. Not civilians pers se, they would be reduced to livestock with a convenient trigger label related to some unforgivable some wrong think. Far right fringe group, affiliated with xyz, Putin admirer, hi capacity cargo pants wearer.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Many leo/mil/national guard tik-tokers reveled in the idea of being given power of life and death upon any "recalcitrant".

During COVID, some of them became famously outspoken advocates of such use of force: "if it's curfew, if you are outside, if I tell you to go inside, and if you refuse, oh boy I will shoot you!"

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[tea-drinker]

@Ivan le Fou ^that's exactly the video I was thinking of. In a year of unprecedented happenings in Europe, Canada and several years for America, I would fail to be surprised by something unprecedented.

 

[primer]

Judging by the midterms the people are going to defeat Biden.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Texas sending families DNA kits to help identify their children in case they're slain in school shooting

'It's like wiping your ass before you take a S**t,' said Brett Cross, whose son Uziyah Garcia died at Robb Elementary School.

www.sacurrent.com

 

[surfpunk]

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I wonder if Hiryu would feel the same way if the soldiers coming out of the water were Orbans goons, and the civilians were Hungarians petitioning the government for free and fair elections...
Of course, Hiryu has absolutely no knowledge or concept of ANYTHING to do with US laws or the US constitution and lacks the ability to use critical thinking...
In fact Hiryu is typical for Europeans who are used to having strongman dictators and politicians, its in their history.
Hiryu doesn't have a problem with dictators, he just has a problem with Viktor Orbans politics. Hiryu would be fine with an authoritarian government as long he didnt disagree with how it was run.
But thats typical for Europeans anyways, democracy doesnt really sit well with them, they prefer authoritarians and tyrants, thats their history...

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Nah, he has a "big double stacked bookshelf" behind full of US books.

He is an expert in US things. Great scholar. PhD in copy-paste.

 

[colin traveller]

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[NZM305]

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That will be an interesting one to follow, obviously they had him under suspicion of breaking some hunting laws and did a very poor hidden camera job to gather evidence.

 

[colin traveller]

Justinflation Trudeau has banned Handguns ... it's been reported ..

 

[TheKiwi]

ATF, enforcer of gun laws, lost ‘thousands of firearms, firearm parts’ to thieves

The agency should be abolished and its employees sent to seek jobs in the private sector.

reason.com

ATF is incompetent. Sun rises in the east.

 

[primer]

Kia ora,​

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The Government has introduced legislation to enable firearm license holders to continue to lawfully possess and use firearms and ammunition, while their application for a license is being processed by Police, as long as they submit the application prior to expiry of their current license.​

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The Arms (License Holders’ Applications for New Licenses) Amendment Bill was introduced on 3 November 2022.​

The Bill amends the Arms Act 1983 (the Act) to address concerns raised by the firearms community about the current delays in processing license holders’ applications for a new firearms license. The Bill is on the order paper to be considered by the House next week and will be referred to the Justice Committee for consideration.

The objective of the Bill is to ensure that if the holder of a current firearms license applies for a new license before the expiry of their current license, their current license will continue to be in force until they are notified of the outcome of their application. This will ensure that existing license holders are not impacted by the delays Police are currently experiencing processing license applications.

There are also a minor amendment to the commencement date for dealers’ licences. It is proposed that the commencement date be the date when the renewal is issued, when a renewal is issued after the expiry date of the previous licence. There is also a minor amendment is to enable notices and documents issued under the Arms Act to be sent to an electronic address. This is to improve efficiencies for licence-holders, range operators and Police.

Police anticipate that demand for new licences is about to increase rapidly. The licensing cycle is the legacy of the 1992 change to the Act which terminated lifetime licences and required firearms owners to apply for ten-year licences. No provision was made to stagger the approach, resulting in the peaks and troughs of the demand cycle.

After the passing of the Bill, Police will be able to implement an intelligence-based triaging system. This will help Police to flatten the anticipated peak in demand and process license applications in a more sustainable manner.

See the following links to the Bill and progress. You are welcome to share this information with your networks.

Arms (Licence Holders' Applications for New Licences) Amendment Bill 183-1 (2022), Government Bill Contents – New Zealand Legislation
Arms (Licence Holders' Applications for New Licences) Amendment Bill - New Zealand Parliament (www.parliament.nz)

 

[primer]

NZDA will express disappointment that this arms amendment bill is being rushed into law, again, and we expect unintended consequences, again. NZDA were not given any opportunity to give input or advice to the Minister or Police when the bill was drafted.

Business as usual.

Dear NZDA Members,
There's a glimmer of positive news for licensed firearms owners caught up in the backlog of Police processes because Parliament is stepping in and rushing more law changes through to give some breathing room for expiring license holders.

This will allow fit and proper people to possess and use their firearms while Police complete their renewal processes.
Put simply, it is a manifestation of how bad the Police are performing for their Minister to step in with a law change to deal with a bureaucratic problem.

It is both good, but alarming, news, and hints at deeper issues that need to be fixed.

The Arms Licence Holders’ Applications for New Licences Amendment Bill was introduced to the House yesterday. It seeks to make amendments to the Arms Act 1983 to ensure that if the holder of a current firearms licence applies for a new licence before its expiry, the current license will continue to be in force until they are notified of the outcome of their application.

This means that licenced firearms owners with expiry dates coming up, will remain licenced until their new licences are processed.

There are currently approximately 9,000+ applications in the pipeline and approximately 2,000+ applicants are holding an expired licence while waiting to be processed.

What is NZDA doing?

NZDA is making a submission today ahead of the cut off tonight.

We have some basic practical questions, like how will a person provide evidence of a renewal application when purchasing ammunition or buying and selling firearms, and what will be accepted by Police and dealers/retailers.

NZDA expects Police to continue to improve, fix the poor performing licensing system, and employ the staff necessary to do the vetting, checking, and get renewals of fit and proper people processed in a reasonable and timely manner.

NZDA will express disappointment that this arms amendment bill is being rushed into law, again, and we expect unintended consequences, again. NZDA were not given any opportunity to give input or advice to the Minister or Police when the bill was drafted.

You can read the Bill here: Arms Amendment Bill

 

[primer]

From ACT.

The Government has finally released its new regulations for shooting clubs and ranges, and ACT fears it will be the final straw for many.


The regulations are a result of the Arms Legislation Act that was rushed through Parliament in June 2020. ACT was the only Party in Parliament to stand up for firearms owners and vote against the Bill then, and we will continue to stand up for firearms owners now.


These changes will inflict more costs, more regulation and more risk onto clubs and ranges. There are new fees that will be tough for volunteer organisations to swallow, there are new consenting processes that could lead to many clubs being disbanded, and personal information of members will be stored insecurely which is a huge security risk.


The legislation can be found here. I encourage you to have a look and let me know of any concerns you have.


ACT warned the Government against these changes through the consultation process, we will continue to push back hard against them in Parliament.


Ranges are largely run by volunteers to provide a safe space for people to learn and carry out safe firearms practice. These regulations will add so many unnecessary compliance measures and extra costs to clubs and ranges it will force many to close.


This is a massive bureaucratic overreach, targeting all the wrong people.


ACT will be calling on the Government to listen to clubs and ranges and dial back these regulations. ACT wants to prevent the demise of what was once lauded as the best firearms system in the world. We want people to have the ability to safely use firearms and access to clubs and ranges is a vital part of that.

Most of these clubs only have a few hundred members and those are the larger ones, all volunteers. A shooting range I know of was set up in the hills and its getting used more frequently and its never going to be "regulated". More will and already are simply sighting in away from the safe ranges.

Nobody has ever had an accident at a range other than human error hand load type which the regulations can't cover.
No criminals so no reasons for any of this nonsense unless its bowing to the anti gun lobby also another knee jerk reaction because the police failed and approved the Aussie having guns.

 

[primer]

NZ police are fishing firearms owners for intel , then they will increase the fees. To fund the registrations. They have spent hundreds of millions on their gun crusade so far. Plan to employ 200 more staff and take over hunter training from deerstalkers then expect firearm owners to pay for their byzantine empire ideas.
See PDF. Email to here armsactfees@police.govt.nz

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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And followed up with releasing the most notorious arms dealer.

 

[surfpunk]

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And followed up with releasing the most notorious arms dealer.

gun violence.... other types of violence, those are ok.

 

[primer]

Rumors are that NZ police are taking away firearm licenses for traffic offenses and trespassing and then after a court order to return the license refuse to do so.
Rumor or not it wouldn't be surprising.

 

[primer]

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