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Policeman shot and killed in Auckland recently which is totally sad by some gang member on drugs.

Police reports of an enigmatic long gun that fired 12 shots in succession was involved. Prior to the gun ban they would have identified for the news as an assault rifle. Politics and banning the wrong things doesn't help.
 
Further to my earlier email, the lawyers have now had a chance to consider the decision.


Overall, our lawyers had this to say -


"The judgment shows that our appeal was well directed, when we asked farmers and others with a stake in protecting property rights for support. Most COLFO members did not have prohibited ammo. Yet their unselfish donations allowed the Fair and Reasonable campaign to serve the wider NZ interest in getting a strong reinforcement for property rights.


The Judge makes it clear that Parliament can over-ride the constitutional right to compensation for property expropriated. But it is just as clearly shown when it does that, it trashes rights and legal taonga of very deep importance.


Many governments around the world have stolen the property of minority groups of citizens. Many have fomented hostility to such minorities for political gain and to justify stealing their property rights. It is shameful that New Zealand has now become one of those. For the past 40 years we’ve preached to the world on respect for the rule of law. The Treaty process has seen redress for expropriations over 150 years old.


Now we’ve shown how shallow and fragile even core rights are in the hands of unscrupulous politicians."




And on the detail of the judgment itself, they helped draft this summary -



COLFO argued two things about the prohibited ammunition order:

  1. That the failure to provide compensation for banned ammunition was a breach of property rights and therefore compensation should be paid,
  2. That the definition of prohibited ammunition was unlawful and should be declared invalid.

On the issue of compensation -

Justice Cooke agreed that there was a common law right to compensation. And that the decision to not compensate was contrary to this right. This is a big win for property rights and many other sectors are likely to win from this judgment in the future. He went as far to say –

“I respectfully do not agree that [the right to property] can be treated as some lower form of right. The right is not one of those set out in NZBORA. But that does not mean it does not exist, or that it has a lower status.”

And then went on to say that this decision was inconsistent with the decision to provide compensation for prohibited firearms and parts.

“For these reasons I accept that the measures enacted by Parliament involved an abrogation of the right of the owners of prohibited ammunition not to be deprived of their property by the Crown without compensation, but conclude that Parliament clearly decided to do so.”

The Judge said –

“That is particularly so given that there is no association between the newly defined prohibited ammunition and criminal activity, let alone the mosque shooting”

As we know, Minister Nash has claimed time and time again that the whole reason for banning this ammunition was to prevent another mosque shooting. The Court found that this was simply not true.

So why didn’t Justice Cooke go on to say that LFOs should receive compensation? Because he found that the decision was made by Parliament. On that view, as Parliament is sovereign. such a decision would be out of reach of the Court.

Our argument was that while the Act provided expressly for compensation for surrendered firearms, it was silent on prohibited ammunition.

We considered that left it open for the Minister to decide on compensation to respect the constitutional principle that requires compensation. Disappointingly the Judge considered that he had to interpret the Act overall as showing that Parliament intended that there be no compensation for ammunition. If we appeal, it will be against this conclusion.

And on the definition of prohibited ammunition –

Once again the Court found that there was no connection between the definition of prohibited ammunition and the mosque shooting, or with criminal activity.

“…prohibited ammunition has no apparent association with the dreadful events of 15 March 2019, or indeed the criminal use of firearms more generally.”

But that the definition was still consistent with the purposes of the Arms Act – to provide for firearm control.

Our lawyers had argued that the prohibited ammunition should be determined on a test of whether it was more harmful that non-prohibited ammunition. A question of safety. We learnt in the hearing that Police didn’t even provide the Minister any advice to consider whether this prohibited ammunition was any more dangerous.

Justice Cooke stated that what had been prohibited cannot be seen as more harmful. But that the Minister didn’t have to take this in to account. Unfortunately this means that Minister could choose to ban further ammunition without having any evidence that it makes the community safer.

We always knew that these rushed laws and regulation had little to do with making our community safer. And the Court agreed. Furthermore that when the Government took away the right to keep our property without compensation that they were doing so despite our property rights. Justice Cooke’s determination that this right exists will hopefully help protect some in the future – when the Government comes for other citizen’s land or vehicles or whatever they decide they want.

Over the coming days, we will consider the options (and merits) of appealing. But we’ll certainly seek feedback before any decisions are made.



Thank you again for making this effort possible




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Michael Dowling

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Untraceable 'ghost guns' appearing more in Canadian cities
TORONTO -- A recent investigation has led to a first-of-its-kind bust in Winnipeg of a 3D-printed "ghost gun" manufacturing operation while police in other Canadian cities are seeing an increase in the untraceable firearms.
The director of the D.C. Department of Forensic Services said in January that Washington police are seeing these kinds of weapons "almost daily."

The increase in reported 3D-printed guns has sparked concern from some U.S. lawmakers and gun-control advocates who fear this latest development allows quicker, easier access to weapons.

In Canada, it is a criminal offence for individuals to manufacture firearms if they do not have a business license approving them to do so.

Rod Giltaca, CEO and executive director of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights, told CTV National News that anyone who violates Canada’s weapons laws could face up to 10 years in prison.

"You can't manufacture firearms without registering them or at least let the government know you are manufacturing firearms," Giltaca said. "When it comes to AR-15's pre-May 1, they are restricted firearms therefore they needed to be registered so there's a huge bevy of charges that person could be subject to."

Can’t stop progress, these guns are designed to be manufactured in even the most strictest, nanny-controlled nations.
 
Piers is actually correct, he just doesn't realise why. Yes, it is depressing that people feel like they need a firearm to protect themselves in the current climate!

@HisRoyalHighness He wrote "since March", but do you happen to know a per month ratio? It should be interesting to pinpoint eventual spikes to contemporary events.
 
Poor Piers, it really just isn't his year...

Meanwhile our government (at Police behest) has in its wisdom changed the rules (again). Now any firearms component (slings, scopes, cleaning kits, bipods, anything at all that can fit on a firearm) must get police clearance to be posted/couriered to another person. Previously this just applied to firearms and parts thereof. Standing by for the Police to complain about being overwhelmed with work and therefore unable to do their job properly.
 
Has a shipment of possum skinning pocket knives rejected by UK customs. So to be used by Kiwis in NZ gets stopped in UK airport in transit to NZ and sent back the Europe. What a joke. Oversized by a cm.
Silly but I thought that about our gun laws ..until they hijacked those and now we have the worst knee jerk kind in the world or thereabouts.
we can't even own a sharp stick :rolleyes:
 
Piers is actually correct, he just doesn't realise why. Yes, it is depressing that people feel like they need a firearm to protect themselves in the current climate!

@HisRoyalHighness He wrote "since March", but do you happen to know a per month ratio? It should be interesting to pinpoint eventual spikes to contemporary events.
May had 2.4 million, a 145% increase.

Keep in mind that was BEFORE the BLM protests and riots.

By my guesstimate, enough firearms have been sold to outfit every single police agency and army in Europe.

And there’s more to come with 3D guns.
 
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It never ends in Chicago . This is something the Mafia in it's History have never done .

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Mayor Lightfoot: we don't want Trump to send his goons, that would only make things worse. Also that would not have happened if Trump had dealt with the gun-loopholes and making guns illegal.

Because, yes, these shootouts were obviously carried out by law abiding citizens who got their guns legally.
 

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