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[primer]

The NZ politicians who burgled the last election would define broomsticks as unlawful.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

German attorney general wants to exclude members of extremist parties from firearm licences after suspected Neonazi murder of politician: ()

The umpteenth case of the usual actionism – instead of solving the problem, the left proposes a law to mask the problem.

At the very least there's been some notable resistance to her politicking. Even the slippery eel that is Angela Merkel has called the plans "unnecessary and not helpful", strong words by her standards.

Well that's a relief, our politicians beating the drums of mass confiscation.

On the other hand, even her critics do not address the elephant in the room. No firearms in extremists hands? Great, I'm all for it! No sane person would want a Neonazi or some extremist Muslim scum to be able to buy a boomstick.

True, but illegal firearms are relatively easily to obtain in Europe....just ask your local Albanian.

But in all seriousness, the black market for firearms and pineapples are thriving in Europe and if you can not gain access to the market, you can make your own like what criminals are doing in Brazil, Israel, Australia, and Canada.

But who gets to define 'extremism'? Particularly in a social climate where parties and ideas branded as "extremist" by the media and the left gain like 30, 40 or even 50% of public approval?

Exactly.

15 years ago, the definition of an extremist is someone calling for the death and destruction of a nation or a group of people. Now the definition has mutated to anyone who posts a cartoon frog meme or anyone who supports or plans to vote for the President of the United States.

A big red flag.

 

[muck]

I concur, but have something to add here:

True, but illegal firearms are relatively easily to obtain in Europe....just ask your local Albanian.

Europe is a big place, and your generalizing statement doesn't really hold true for every corner of the continent. In fact, it hardly does anywhere – which makes further gun control legislation even more pointless (i.e. gun-related crime really isn't a big problem over here).

For example, in Europe's largest nation Germany and per the 2018 statistic, only 4.9% (or 45) of all homicides saw a firearm used in the commission of the crime. However, only 24.4% of the perpetrators of these murders (11) were also charged with the illegal possession of a firearm, meaning the overwhelming majority of all homicides (75.6%) was committed with a weapon the perpetrator had possessed legally.

 

[primer]

Dear SSANZ members,

The attached draft copy of the next Arms Amendment Bill has landed in my in-tray from an unnamed source. Recognize that is a DRAFT and therefore may differ from the final BILL that is published.
However if you read it carefully I am sure you will agree that it represents the most serious attack on lawful shooting activities that this country has ever seen in its history. The rules and conditions to be placed on shooting clubs and ranges will see many of them put out of business due to the cost of compliance and the reluctance of many private landowners to be involved in such invasive and overreaching scrutiny. Added to this are many further restrictions and red tape to be applied to individual firearm owners. If you are not prepared to stand up and fight this Bill with all your strength and ability, you may as well kiss your sport/hobby goodbye.

We must all be prepared to make submissions on this Bill when it is sent to the Select Committee. Meanwhile discuss your concerns with any MP who will listen to you.

Also attached is a letter received from Stuart Nash that indicates where he is going with cost recovery for firearms administration and licensing.

If all this is stressing you out, talk it through with a mate. Or seek professional help by calling or texting 1737 anytime, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to talk it through with a trained counselor 1737.org.nz(link is external).
Stay strong,

If you need to see the leaked draft join SSANZ...suffice to say its as stupidly nanny and draconian as expected.





Phil

 

[riderboy]

The NZ politicians who burgled the last election would define broomsticks as unlawful.

No worries. The government will fix everything with a panel of experts.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Oh boy....

What if we used a credit rating system to keep guns out of the wrong hands?

As a Republican, and far more importantly, an American, I believe the rights to private property and gun ownership are equally important to maintain a free society.

Say, for example, you put too much on your credit card. It's a minor ding on the credit score, and it may mean you pay a little higher interest rate if you purchase a car.

Similarly, say you get pulled over for a speeding ticket. You would get a minor ding against your gun ownership FICO. Nothing horrible, but it may impact your ability to buy a certain type of gun for 90 days.

Oh piss off numbnuts, that's what Authoritarian China is implementing and that's what Hong Kongers are protesting against as well.

To generate a real FICO-type score for gun ownership, it will require a significant investment by the federal government to ensure law enforcement and businesses are communicating with each other in real time.

Buying too many guns in too short of a period of time or buying lots of ammunition would also lower the score. Ultimately, anything that demonstrates a difference of behavior should generate a warning sign and make it more difficult to purchase firearms.

This person is obviously not a gun owner because a day at the range will get through several boxes.

Within 60 seconds, the current FICO system is able to determine if I qualify for a credit card, a car or credit line. If we can enact this system with a high degree of efficiency for private property ownership, we can certainly do the same for gun ownership.

This isn’t a perfect solution.

You dumbass, FICO scores do not prevent you from owning property, it simply shows whether or not you can get a loan! Also your right to bear arms is protected by the Constitution.

Similarly, the vast majority of Americans believe in the right of gun ownership, but they also believe there should be reasonable limitations on who should be allowed to own a gun.

The definition of 'reasonable has now moved into the realm of agree with me or you are the enemy.

Nathan Sproul is managing director of Lincoln Strategy Group and former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. Twitter: @NathanSproul

What if we used a credit rating system to keep guns out of the wrong hands?

If a FICO score can influence our right to obtain private property, why not create an equivalent for gun ownership?

www.azcentral.com

Democratic Politicians are Ebola, but Republican Politicians are Cancer. My God, why do we have such awful politicians?

 

[primer]

We should have a set of standards for politicians. Having a brain would obviously be first test and we can test for cognitive ability after that.

 

[riderboy]

I love it when they say "I'm a Republican but...." That seems to have been a popular line defending that imbecile Robert Mueller, War Hero and Republican! As though the 14 odd members on his investigatory staff who were all hard core Never Trumper leftists and who actually wrote the "Mueller Report" were inconsequential.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

So Chris Murphy, a senator from Massachusetts who is incredibly Anti-Gun, has stated that the 2nd Amendment is not a personal right but a collective right where the government can do whatever they want to restrict it, here are some of his more egregious posts:

2/x First, you selectively quoted the Amendment. It actually reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." It references militias - not personal defense - for a reason.

4/x Nowhere in Madison's copious notes from the Constitutional Convention does he mention the 2nd Amendment being about the private right of gun ownership. And the term "bear arms", which today is connected with private gun ownership, back then was connected to militias.

5/x So I don't think the 2nd Amendment is about protecting the right to defend your personal rights with a gun, but I DO believe that the founders did likely believe in a sort of common law right of gun ownership. That's also pretty clear from the history of the time.

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Also he is dead wrong:

You’re going to get the most almighty shock when you get around to reading the Constitution of Connecticut, which from the moment the state has had one, has held that “Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the State.” (1)

You’ll be equally shocked when you learn that the Philadelphia Constitution of 1776, which predates the Second Amendment, reads: “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state,” and does so in the same sentence it bars standing armies. (2)

And I can barely imagine the scale of your surprise when you learn that Madison didn’t take notes on the first ten amendments at the Convention because the first ten amendments were added later—at the behest of those who thought the enumerated powers doctrine would be abused. (3)

In essence, your position is that our reading of the Second Amendment is a modern mistake—that was made *before it was written* by Pennsylvania (and Vermont, which copied it literatim), and immediately afterwards by your own state, whose Constitution you have never read. (4/4)

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Oh, and while we’re on Madison, you might ask yourself why, in 1789, he proposed putting the Second Amendment in Article I, Section 9, as an addition to the individual rights protections, and not in Article I, Section 8, clause 16. The answer is obvious. Enjoy your evening.

Thankfully the supreme court has already decided this issue with the Heller case. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/554/570/ … People means people, not militia.

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Also here is the Democratic front-runner for president's resonse:

Addressing the Odessa mass shooting, @JoeBiden calls for banning "magazines that have multiple bullets in them"

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So we are going back to six shooters and Henry rifles?

 

[colin traveller]

Biden is a moonbat that jumps on the latest nonsense to attract votes from deluded dumb stupid people .


Did anyone see that article of a person who said how he would deal with Antifa ...had all his guns n ammo confiscated under the new red flag law ..

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

"We're looking at a lot of different bills, ideas, concepts," President Trump says, adding that "for the most part" stronger background checks would not have stopped shootings over the past several years, so "it's a big problem. It's a mental problem"

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Flip-flopping per usual. Just pick a side already.

More info about the Odessa shooter:

Texas Governor Reveals Odessa Shooter Failed Background Check

Texas Governor Greg Abbott revealed that the gunman who killed eight people in a shooting spree Saturday in Odessa had previously failed a background check during a firearms transaction.

If 36-year old Seth Ator failed a firearms transaction background check on the basis of his criminal history, it’s almost certain that the now-deceased truck driver would’ve been legally prohibited from owning or purchasing firearms.

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He also threatened his neighbors with his rifle:

Odessa shooter's neighbor says he threatened her with a rifle

A neighbor of the west Texas shooter says the 36-year-old came up to her house last month with a big rifle and yelled at her for leaving trash in a nearby dumpster.

Veronica Alonzo also described how her neighbor would frequently shoot out of a structure on top of his house at night into his yard, often going to retrieve dead animals afterwards.

Investigators at the gunman’s home Sunday were seen placing dozens of small red flags in locations outside his property, around locations that Alonzo indicated he would shoot at.


Alonzo said she called police after the incident last month, but that they had never responded because the location of the property does not show up on GPS and is difficult to find.

Alonzo said that the shooter’s home had no running water or electricity. She said she saw him sitting in his gold Toyota Camry with the heat on when the weather was cold.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/west-texas-shooting-odessa-midland/index.html

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

New Zealand gun buyback exposes emotions, possibly hustlers

Tentative estimates put the total number of guns in New Zealand at about 1.5 million and the number of weapons that are now banned at up to 175,000. If those numbers are correct, it would mean less than 10% of the banned weapons have been handed in so far. Owners have until Dec. 20 to turn them over or potentially face charges.

Some politicians and opponents say the buyback scheme is a fiasco that is unfairly targeting law-abiding gun owners rather than criminals or gangs. However, Police Deputy Commissioner Mike Clement, a 40-year veteran tapped to oversee the scheme, says it has been working well. He’s been traveling the country to some of the dozens of buyback events, and says nobody really knows how many banned guns are out there so any estimates are unhelpful.

New Zealand gun buyback exposes emotions, possibly hustlers

WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — Some New Zealand gun owners are upset they're being compelled to hand over their assault weapons for money.

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Less than 10% compliance...

Also love these paragraphs:

On Saturday, the last day of the Southern Hemisphere winter, Clement stood in the sun outside an event center near Wellington owned by a dog owners’ club. On this day, the center had been turned into a makeshift venue to hand in guns. Heavily armed officers patrolled while others greeted gun owners cheerfully as they arrived and ushered them inside.

As well as some 250 buyback events like the one near Wellington planned over three months, police are also reaching out to dealers to try and collect weapons through them. Police also have so far traveled to the homes of more than 50 gun owners who have large numbers of weapons to pick up the guns directly.

Really shows their mindset, doesn't it?

 

[riderboy]

Oh boy....

What if we used a credit rating system to keep guns out of the wrong hands?

Oh piss off numbnuts, that's what Authoritarian China is implementing and that's what Hong Kongers are protesting against as well.


This person is obviously not a gun owner because a day at the range will get through several boxes.

You dumbass, FICO scores do not prevent you from owning property, it simply shows whether or not you can get a loan! Also your right to bear arms is protected by the Constitution.


The definition of 'reasonable has now moved into the realm of agree with me or you are the enemy.

What if we used a credit rating system to keep guns out of the wrong hands?

If a FICO score can influence our right to obtain private property, why not create an equivalent for gun ownership?

www.azcentral.com

Democratic Politicians are Ebola, but Republican Politicians are Cancer. My God, why do we have such awful politicians?

Some things never change. I will say, Trump seems to piss off Republicans and Democrats so he must be doing something right.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Some things never change. I will say, Trump seems to piss off Republicans and Democrats so he must be doing something right.

True, we'll see the outcome later. I hope Trump defends the 2nd Amendment but I'm not so sure he's as reliable as he claims he is.

BREAKING: Odessa, TX gunman purchased AR-style rifle in a private sale, evading a federal background check. He had reportedly also been calling the FBI and police for years, leaving ‘incoherent messages’, FBI ignored the calls.

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Exactly what the TX Governor said he wanted to look at more and pass laws on.

Oh Texas, you'll be lucky to have six shooters at this pace.

Oh speaking of Texas:

I was asked how I'd address people's fears that we will take away their assault rifles. I want to be clear: That's exactly what we're going to do. Americans who own AR-15s and AK-47s will have to sell their assault weapons. All of them.

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I have to say, it's refreshing when Democrats stop pretending to give a damn about the 2nd Amendment and go full confiscation because if there's anything Americans like more is politicians telling them to give up their property under threat of law.

 

[primer]

O’Rourke’s numbers in Morning Consult have dipped from 6% in late April to 3% in late August. And in the past five months of Quinnipiac University’s polling, O’Rourke’s support has plummeted from 12% in late March to just 1% as of late August

 

[riderboy]

True, we'll see the outcome later. I hope Trump defends the 2nd Amendment but I'm not so sure he's as reliable as he claims he is.

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Exactly what the TX Governor said he wanted to look at more and pass laws on.

Oh Texas, you'll be lucky to have six shooters at this pace.

Oh speaking of Texas:

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I have to say, it's refreshing when Democrats stop pretending to give a damn about the 2nd Amendment and go full confiscation because if there's anything Americans like more is politicians telling them to give up their property under threat of law.

F*ck Beto. He wouldn't know the US Constitution if it bit him in the ass. As far as the rest of the dangerously stupid celebrities saying dangerously stupid things....

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

So Walmart decided to follow Dick’s footsteps:

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[Mordoror]

So Walmart decided to follow Dick’s footsteps:

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Free Market, dude
It's fun to see you and riderboy moan about something that is a pure capitalist corporate decision to pander consumer base and ensure better sales and shares to Walmart(c)
I thought it was the corner stone of your country

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Free Market, dude
It's fun to see you and riderboy moan about something that is a pure capitalist corporate decision to pander consumer base and ensure better sales and shares to Walmart(c)
I thought it was the corner stone of your country

Uhh what?

Walmart makes up 20% of ammo sales in the United States because they buy in bulk and sell it cheap and cater to rural conservative Americans; they are shooting themselves in the foot by banning the most popular ammo types.

That being said, more business for Bass Pro Shop, Academy, mom and pop gun stores, and online retailers.

So it's kind of a win.

Anyway back to news:

San Francisco Officials Designate NRA a Domestic Terrorist Organization

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday declaring the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization and urging other municipalities to do the same.

The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda" and encourages the city to assess and limit contracts with vendors affiliated with the NRA, but does not put in place any official enforcement mechanisms or new regulations.

"The NRA conspires to limit gun violence research, restrict gun violence data sharing and most importantly aggressively tries to block every piece of sensible gun violence prevention legislation proposed on any level, local state or federal," said Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who sponsored the measure. A longtime advocate for gun safety, Stefani also introduced a resolution earlier this year that authorized the San Francisco Police Department to use funds from the U.S. Department of Justice to help improve the collection, management and analysis of gun-crime evidence.

"When they use phrases like, 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands' on bumper stickers, they are saying reasoned debate about public safety should be met with violence," she said.

San Francisco Officials Designate NRA a Domestic Terrorist Organization | KQED

The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda."

www.kqed.org

From the city where the streets run brown from human excrement and dry blood from syringes.

Good work SF.

 

[Mordoror]

Uhh what?

Walmart makes up 20% of ammo sales in the United States because they buy in bulk and sell it cheap and cater to rural conservative Americans; they are shooting themselves in the foot by banning the most popular ammo types.

That being said, more business for Bass Pro Shop, Academy, mom and pop gun stores, and online retailers.

So it's kind of a win.

Anyway back to news:

Tsss Tsss
You missed the point (from a corporate pov)
They keep hunting ammos (6 to 10% of US ammo sales) and are banning the ammos that are a dragg from a communication (marketing) pov.
As such they avoid bad advertissment. That's all.....
Don't worry for them, their marketing and communication desk has certainly done his homework. If they ban some ammos, it is because they expect to win some money (or spare some money)