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[riderboy]

Whatever happens with this you can bet that the world as we knew it is gone.
I would hope that conflict can be avoided, but unfortunately it benefits those in charge of this fiasco to find scapegoats.

“Decades pass and nothing happens. Weeks pass and decades happen.” V.I. Lenin

 

[morris]

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[morris]

Whatever happens with this you can bet that the world as we knew it is gone.
I would hope that conflict can be avoided, but unfortunately it benefits those in charge of this fiasco to find scapegoats.

It will be only cosmetic change, but deep inside people never change.

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[morris]

“Decades pass and nothing happens. Weeks pass and decades happen.” V.I. Lenin

He knew about bifurcation theory introduced by Henri Poincaré in 1885 and applied it in social and political environment.

 

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[Fluff]

I wonder if the pandemic will help to bring universal legalization of voluntary euthanasia.

Good point.

a shortage of food would push that, I would think.

hopefully everyone rides this along.

 

[Fluff]

Whatever happens, don’t come to Poland any soon.
People who don’t stick to the quarantine are fined 30,000 PLN which is an equivalent of $7500.

That’s a lot of building work......

 

[Fluff]

Interesting, thanks for posting.

 

[Musashi]

@Miller
The number of infected people in the Baltic republics is:
Estonia (a country with 1.33 mln people) - 283
Latvia - 111
Lithuania - 63, 14 in the last 24 hours, including 9 who were infected abroad.
Source: https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadom...-baltyckich-na-litwie-lotwie-i-w-estonii.html (in Polish)
Cross-referenced with a reliable website in English:

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

coronavirus.jhu.edu

The total of 357 in the combined population of 5 mln people in these 3 counties comparing to 425 cases in Poland that has a population of 38.5 mln people.

So, the Polish government’s rationale is very clear: you cannot cope with your own mess and the situation in Estonia is just crazy. As most of the infected people caught the virus abroad, Poland is actually doing a great job by protecting you.

Escalating the tension by complaining about Poland to NATO and the U.S.A., making the German president call the Polish president several times, plus posting totally counterproductive articles, will just make us upset.

Poland has been the second-biggest participant in the Baltic Air Policing mission, right after Germany, and the Polish F16s are deployed in Amari, Estonia, RIGHT NOW.

Baltic Air Policing - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Pissing us off is totally counterproductive, as random people are trolling the Polish president’s Twatter to bring our planes back.

The key information is: there are presidential elections in Poland in May and your government’s behaviour is just increasing the current Polish president's chances for winning it. The Polish government WILL NOT step back, as resisting just gives them new voters.
The current president will win the first round easily. However, as he has a very large negative electorate, it’s likely that he would lost the second round. I want him to go, but you are just making him win the second round.

#¡NoPasaran!
#ChinaVirus

 

[muck]

Bad news from Germany… somehow, they've managed to run out of testing kits (bad storage management, apparently). From now on, only those who're "clearly symptomatic", or had "had contact with a Covid-19-positive person" will be tested and only if the person is frail, belongs to risk group or is working as a medical professional. Well, that's one way to #flattenthecurve.

 

[Fluff]

Bad news from Germany… somehow, they've managed to run out of testing kits (bad storage management, apparently). From now on, only those who're "clearly symptomatic", or had "had contact with a Covid-19-positive person" will be tested and only if the person is frail, belongs to risk group or is working as a medical professional. Well, that's one way to #flattenthecurve.

You have reached the same policy as U.K., we just got here 10 days ago.

a lot of people are reporting colds, coughs, not well etc.

basically this is everywhere, as there is no treatment, there’s no real point in testing, no country can deliver a million tests a day, and all those nurses and lab workers are needed for more lifesaving tasks.

 

[Musashi]

Bad news from Germany… somehow, they've managed to run out of testing kits (bad storage management, apparently). From now on, only those who're "clearly symptomatic", or had "had contact with a Covid-19-positive person" will be tested and only if the person is frail, belongs to risk group or is working as a medical professional. Well, that's one way to #flattenthecurve.

The saddest news is about the nurses and doctors who got infected, as they ran out of gloves and different protective equipment. There were a few instances of that in Poland and tens in all over the world.

The Polish press said the Mossad organised a big purchase of a testing equipment for Israel, as some countries would not sell it to Israel using official channels.

 

[Musashi]

That’s a lot of building work......

No sh.it, Sherlock!

Not so much, though, if you design prestigious cars:

Edgy Car Designers from Poland

A Batmobile-like supercar, an uber-stylish BMW coupe and the most aerodynamic SUV ever created have one unexpected feature in common: they were created by Polish car designers.

culture.pl

Polish car designers

The luxury Aston Martin DBS and the Ferrari California, the economical Alfa Romeo Giuglietta and the Tata Indica Vista—it is not widely known that the world’s most popular cars have been designed by Poles.

poland.pl

A piece of piss.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

France's political class, the governing one that is, is in full disarray.

Coronavirus : le travail, c’est bon pour la santé… mais pas les masques

Grâce à notre président et à son gouvernement, la connaissance des Français en matière de prévention des risques sanitaires progresse aussi vite que l’épidémie. Ils ont ainsi appris que, le travail n’étant pas une interaction sociale, il était impossible de contracter la maladie en allant bosser...

www.telerama.fr

Confinement, but resume your work.
Limit social interactions (follows a list of examples: going to see a play, dancing, etc), but go to work anyway.
Protect yourself, but don't wear masks and don't wear gloves because people don't know how to use them anyway.
Why wouldn't you go to work? The medical staff goes to work every morning, why wouldn't anybody else?
Macron is apparently annoyed by seeing people walking in parks, beaches, etc... instead of working "they clearly didn't understand what I meant when I said "stay at home"."

In "clear", stop social interactions, but don't stop your professional interactions. Don't meet with your friends or your family, but meet with your colleagues.

And they take Italy as an example to tell people "yes, it's possible". Apparently the Italian industry is still working at 90%: "see? it works!"
Except that Italy regularly ends up with hundreds of dead every day, and, with it's 60mil people, managed to have more death than China (+-1,5bil).

And then some French will come and lecture the world on how to do things...


Meanwhile, in NYC:

Exclusive | City Hall didn’t secure 1st order of COVID-19 supplies for NYC until March 6

Mayor Bill de Blasio has blamed President Trump for the city’s severe shortage of COVID-19 supplies even though City Hall didn’t secure its first order for emergency protective gear until March 6, …

nypost.com

 

[morris]

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[Musashi]

There is an explanatory text next to some countries' names.
We need another text for Italy and Spain that would be: "piss-taking, socialising, not following safety regulations, not cancelling pro-LGBT rallies that attracted thousands".

 

[riderboy]

Bad news from Germany… somehow, they've managed to run out of testing kits (bad storage management, apparently). From now on, only those who're "clearly symptomatic", or had "had contact with a Covid-19-positive person" will be tested and only if the person is frail, belongs to risk group or is working as a medical professional. Well, that's one way to #flattenthecurve.

Similarly the availability of more testing here in the US has shown a not unexpected spike in our cases.

 

[Musashi]

@muck
There's supposedly an article on https://www.sueddeutsche.de/ about die Mutti having started negotiations with the Polish government about resolving the congestion problems on the Polish-German border. There's a big shortage of drivers and lorries in Germany and die Mutti asked Poland for help.
Poland is the biggest HGV logistic powerhouse in the EU by a large margin.

Could you find the relevant article?
So far, I've got this:

Trucks a threat to local supply chains? – DW – 03/19/2020

Trucks are clogging up highways in Eastern Germany as they wait for border checks that Poland introduced at the weekend as COVID-19 spreads. Some local suppliers find it hard to do their job, as Hardy Graupner reports.

www.dw.com

Germany faces shortage of Polish care workers – DW – 03/18/2020

In Germany, about 600,000 care workers from abroad care for sick and elderly people. Most of them come from Poland — and right now they're having huge problems entering and leaving Germany.

www.dw.com

 

[riderboy]

I'd love to hear the Dems talk about their open borders platform and how racist, evil and stupid Trump's wall is now.

Mexico Is Frighteningly Unprepared for the Coronavirus

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...hteningly-unprepared-for-the-coronavirus.html

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Poll: Majority of Americans now approve of Trump’s coronavirus management

The uptick in the president’s ratings comes after the administration took a variety of new response measures over the past week.

www.politico.com

Ah yes, disastrous handling of the situation.

To the point that even Ilhan Omar and a significant number of Democrats (even Schumer) are praising Trump for his actions.

Only the MSM, and some hardcore TDS never-Trumpers, are still trying deflect though, playing the racism card (because "kung-flu"), the nationalist card (because borders closed).