Politics The 2020 American Presidential Election

[riderboy]

 

[nicememe]

Glad to know we have a self appointed moral High Priest preaching down from the mountaintop. Who the hell are you to judge anyone’s moral standards? Your false equivalency of what the left has been doing since May, the resulting arson, looting, killings and violent crime surge seems to have slipped your mind.

28 Times Media And Democrats Excused Violence By Left-Wing Activists

After excusing and ignoring riots from leftists, Democrats and their allies in the media are ready to condemn riots now that the turmoil has shifted.

thefederalist.com

Or in shorter terms, a big portion of the US government and mainstream media started a war against a big portion of the US population.
In many weird ways this reminds me of Ukraine. Just replace "vatniks" with "white trash", "Antifa/BLM" with "Pravy Sektor", and "right-wing terrorists" with "Donbass rebels".
Just as a reminder, Ukraine is still spiraling into the abyss as we speak. But at least Nuland can start handing out cookies directly from her balcony now, instead of needing to travel abroad.

 

[muck]

It's rather interesting how many members with an apparently Eastern European background seem hell-bent on bringing up the revolutions in Ukraine, former Yugoslavia and elsewhere in the context of yesterday's events. That's ... a curious choice of argument. Maybe @Fluff was right.

That is rich coming from your average angry white man who spends his precious time in life with morally denouncing everything that is associated with the so-called left on public forums.

It makes it even more laughable as you're desperately trying to equalise ordinary riots and looting with an outright insurrection and coup attempt.

Lighten up, Francis. You've raised some legitimate questions in this thread but your bellicose attitude isn't particularly helpful.

 

[Mardonius]

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials

One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.

"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.

"I can't believe this happened."

The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials

The big unanswered question: Why were so few law-enforcement agents at the Capitol when demonstrations like that are usually heavily policed?

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Mardonius]

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Like rats quickly leaving a sinking ship.

 

[nicememe]

A random neighbourhood isn't a constitutional body. Vandalising innocent people's property and creating an atmosphere of fear are despicable crimes, but they're not suited to sabotaging the ability of the constitutional powers to carry out their lawful duty. Portland going up in flames doesn't impact the ability of citizens elsewhere in the country to exert their constitutional rights; a parliament incapacitated does.

It makes it even more laughable as you're desperately trying to equalise ordinary riots and looting with an outright insurrection and coup attempt.

Is there really a difference, if we look at the bigger picture?

The left is terrorizing cities. (aka - ordinary riots and looting)
The right doesn't want to terrorize cities, but at the same time it has no platform to make its voice heard as loudly as loud is the voice of the left today, because not only is the right actively demonized in MSM, it's also being witch-hunted and blocked on social media platforms; and even if it wouldn't be, words always achieve less than actions, as is pioneered by the left.

So what exactly are you guys communicating here?
Are you enticing the right to start looting cities? If yes, then why do you love looting so much and how would it benefit anyone?
If you're not enticing them to loot cities, then are you telling them to just shut up and stay silent? If yes, how will that help anyone?

You special ponies didn't get the simple truth yet - the society is at war. And where they carry out their violence is a matter of opportunity and circumstance at this point. Not a matter of morality or law.
If you want to condemn the right, you must first condemn the left. Two wrongs don't make a right? Sure. But one wrong doesn't make a right either. And until right is made, wrong will ensue. Enjoy.

 

[nicememe]

It's rather interesting how many members with an apparently Eastern European background seem hell-bent on bringing up the revolutions in Ukraine, former Yugoslavia and elsewhere in the context of yesterday's events. That's ... a curious choice of argument. Maybe @Fluff was right.

Maybe eastern Europeans are just more familiar with the inner-workings and dark sides of revolutions than western Europeans/Americans.
But you'll learn eventually.

 

[Yevgeny]

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials

One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.

"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.

"I can't believe this happened."

The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials

The big unanswered question: Why were so few law-enforcement agents at the Capitol when demonstrations like that are usually heavily policed?

www.businessinsider.com

He would never risk staging a coup unless granted asylum by a foreign country. And he wasn't...

 

[Yevgeny]

It's rather interesting how many members with an apparently Eastern European background seem hell-bent on bringing up the revolutions in Ukraine, former Yugoslavia and elsewhere in the context of yesterday's events. That's ... a curious choice of argument. Maybe @Fluff was right.

And your point is? Storming parliaments in Eastern Europe is perfectly fine while storming parliaments in USA/EU is totally unacceptable? Is that what you saying?

 

[muck]

Are you enticing the right to start looting cities? If yes, then why do you love looting so much and how would it benefit anyone?

Here I stopped reading. You're either a troll or being deliberately obtuse. Heck, I think you're going to be the first name on my ignore list in my sixteen years with this community, and that's saying something.

And your point is? Storming parliaments in Eastern Europe is perfectly fine while storming parliaments in USA/EU is totally unacceptable? Is that what you saying?

Yes, that's obviously what I was saying. Obviously. Jesus Christ on a pushbike.

 

[Yevgeny]

Yes, that's obviously what I was saying. Obviously. Jesus Christ on a pushbike.

You know its easy to check if you were cheering the Revolution in Ukraine back in 2014 or not. Most of the mp.net threads are archived. You not gonna hide! ?

Havoc in Kiev.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUQsZ983LBM

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Ukraine discussion thread. Or the original Butthurt thread

"There will be costs" Obama said, if Russia intervenes militarily in the Ukraine http://nypost.com/2014/02/28/obama-warns-russia-against-military-intervention-in-ukraine/ The two threads where merged so the first post of the other thread is added here:

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Ukraine Crisis *NEWS* Only Thread - NO DISCUSSION

Due to the chest thumping and male member measuring going on in the Kiev thread at the moment, (at least until I start banning all of the fanbois). I've been asked to set up a news only thread to keep track of the unfolding drama in a more informational and less retarded manner. Keep your...

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[Telmar]

Yeah right, context is'nt important....

 

[Yevgeny]

"Lawlessness and rioting is ALWAYS unacceptable" - at least thats what Pompeo said.

 

[Telmar]

The police officer assaulted by Trump supporters has died.

Rest in Peace Sir

Capitol Police officer on life support after pro-Trump riot, union official says | CNN Politics

A Capitol Police officer is on life support Thursday night after a mob of President Donald Trump's supporters stormed the US Capitol a day before, according to Capitol Police union chair Gus Papathanasiou.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Yevgeny]

It says he is still alive.

(CNN)A Capitol Police officer is on life support Thursday night after a mob of President Donald Trump's supporters stormed the US Capitol a day before, according to Capitol Police union chair Gus Papathanasiou.
CNN reported Thursday evening, citing three sources, that the officer had died. One of CNN's sources said that Capitol Police officers were gathered and told that the officer had passed away.
Papathanasiou told WUSA -- a local Washington, DC, television news station -- that the officer died. Later Thursday, the Capitol Police released a statement stating no officers had died as a result of Wednesday's riot.
Papathanasiou retracted his statement to WUSA and told CNN the officer was still on life support.
"He had a stroke. I think he's on life support. We've got some misinformation on that. He's on life support from what I'm hearing," Papathanasiou told CNN.

 

[Telmar]

My bad with the link

Federal murder investigation to be opened in Capitol Police officer's death

Prosecutors in the US Attorney's office plan to open a federal murder investigation into the death of Brian D. Sicknick, a US Capitol Police officer who died Thursday night, a law enforcement official tells CNN.

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[Telmar]

A little late Mr Trump, a little late...5 people lost their lives for not hearing this concession speech before.

Trump condemns 'heinous attack' on Capitol, calls for 'healing and reconciliation'

President Trump condemned Wednesday’s “heinous attack” on the Capitol by his supporters and called for a moment of healing.

www.foxnews.com

 

[nicememe]

Here I stopped reading. You're either a troll or being deliberately obtuse. Heck, I think you're going to be the first name on my ignore list in my sixteen years with this community, and that's saying something.

Touchy ?

 

[nicememe]

Yeah right, context is'nt important....

I don't think you should be talking about contexts here. ?
Because otherwise we would have to look at the Capitol riot within the context of many years of Orwellian MSM and government conduct against the right.

Face it. Democratic revolutions have been utilized by the US as a weapon for furthering own interests abroad. Only this weapon appears to have been a boomerang, in a weird way. The east is now learning to successfully prevent and/or stop revolts in their tracks, the west is stupidly fanning the flames of its own destruction. Refuses to acknowledge it when pointed towards this fact. Frankly I'm fine with this, as I have mentioned several times before. I was anticipating this, I posted about this for several years on different platforms, got ridiculed/ignored, and am now arriving at the conclusion that only a grave can fix the humpbacked.