Politics The 2020 American Presidential Election

[Deleted member 11302]

And shooting down a civilian plane with its 300+- passengers on board.

Nah, didn't you see the Twitter checkmark's weighing in on this? That was also Trump's fault for "raising the tensions" and making Iran's pseudo-military trigger happy.

 

[muck]

Translation: Orange man bad. Media did nothing wrong.

Well, you're a rather inept interpreter then.

 

[primer]

Apparently they destroyed camera equipment of CNN. Now that is justice.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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No real surprise there.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

"Via Getty" is getting famous.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Also this:

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[riderboy]

Are you taking refuge in Mehico?

In Cozumel for a little R and R !! I hope that finally we can dispense with “some violence is acceptable and good” to violence is never, ever the answer.

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[surfpunk]

In Cozumel for a little R and R !! I hope that finally we can dispense with “some violence is acceptable and good” to violence is never, ever the answer.

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what do you think happens when one side thinks violence is acceptable and the opposing side thinks it isnt?

 

[TheKiwi]

what do you think happens when one side thinks violence is acceptable and the opposing side thinks it isnt?

Seems irrelevant since it appears that both sides now think it's perfectly fine.

 

[Gaz]

In the olden days of mp.net, yesterday would be where California Joe would say something along the lines of "some knuckleheads just need a wood shampoo".

 

[muck]

Too bad I didn't get the chance to read what morris posted. He's Australian, though, isn't he? What did he get so agitated about?

@Mardonius

There's no doubt in my mind the outgoing administration did have its successes, economically in particular. And whilst crude, Trump's policies of taking on China were commendable in their intention.

As it lacked a foreign agenda to speak of, I see myself unable to categorise Trump's stance towards America's allies as a "foreign policy". I think it was tailored entirely to garnering approval with domestic isolationists who keep telling themselves the world is abusing America's benevolence.

As far as I can tell, his only foreign failure of note was North Korea, though it remained largely inconsequential.

But all of this is beside the point. Voters might tell you they base their decisions on objective considerations; only they don't. The science for that claim is abundantly clear, and mind you I'm not talking about some academic activists from Berkeley or some such place.

In this day and age, voters respond mostly to emotions and bend the facts to suit them – on both sides of the aisle. For instance, Jordan Peterson has shown a considerable majority of the electorate will claim their personal situation has improved under a government of their choice even if their annual income has actually shrunk.

Trump understood to cater to the feeling of many Americans that something is deeply wrong with their country. It's what got him elected, and it's what almost got him reelected.

Personally, I find it useful to make a distinction between the politician and the person. Objectively speaking, the politician has done things I find quite agreeable.

The person, however, I find despicable. And frustrating, too: A more moderated and thoughtful version of Trump could've achieved way more for America and the world than the one that got elected in 2016. But his ego got the better of him. And please, everybody, don't try to tell me he's not an egomaniac. How could somebody who played themselves in a reality show not be a narcissist?

I sincerely hope yesterday's events will bring the Republicans and the Democrats to the long overdue realisation that their party infighting tears the country apart.

Would both parties split into each their respective wings, the country could realise at once how small the radical elements within America's society are. Political discourse would get a lot more civil, too.

Nowadays, both parties can equate their respective counterpart with its radical fringe and moderate caucus members are forced to toe the (radical) party line. This ambiguity is what allows the radicals to claim they're the true representatives of the people. It's the most fatal flaw of the two party system.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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The amusing thing is: the same individual wrote these two articles.

 

[NebrHogger]

Too bad I didn't get the chance to read what morris posted. He's Australian, though, isn't he? What did he get so agitated about?

I was otherwise occupied this afternoon - Morris had to clean out his desk and was escorted off the property by security?

As far as the mess in DC, news outlets here have so little credibility and are prone to lies, I still don't have a clear understanding what actually happened.

But overall, it could have been worse - they could have done like the Brits in 1812.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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xD

 

[muck]

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The amusing thing is: the same individual wrote these two articles.

Though I agree with your criticism of the media's double standards, there is a difference (and should be) between rioting in a random neighbourhood and rioting in parliament whilst a session is in place to complete the election process.

I was otherwise occupied this afternoon - Morris had to clean out his desk and was escorted off the property by security?

For some reason he felt the need to brand me a fascist (amongst other things). I was just curious about this thought processes. I'd love to know what got him so agitated.

 

[Mardonius]

Trump didnt start a single war. Fact! Unlike Bush and Obama...

Fact: the only reason why Trump did not start a war, was because Iran restrained itself.

 

[riderboy]

what do you think happens when one side thinks violence is acceptable and the opposing side thinks it isnt?

What happens is that ultimately the opposing side gets tired of watching cities burned, vandalized and looted, cops shot and crime skyrocket, (aka “strategic violence.”) Then lose complete trust in elections and get sick of the glaring hypocrisy and journalistic malpractice on full display every day. I’ve always spoken out against violence as a solution to anything and what happened at the Capitol is wrong, just as I’ve thought all the BLM/Antifa “( just an idea ) Occupy Wallstreet violence was wrong.

 

[riderboy]

Though I agree with your criticism of the media's double standards, there is a difference (and should be) between rioting in a random neighbourhood and rioting in parliament whilst a session is in place to complete the election process.
For some reason he felt the need to brand me a fascist (amongst other things). I was just curious about this thought processes. I'd love to know what got him so agitated.

No. This is precisely the double standard that the left uses for “justifiable” violence and anything they disagree with. All of it is wrong. Period.