Politics The 2020 American Presidential Election

[Telmar]

Hey the "camp auschwitz" dude had lots of pals on the 6th in Washington

The "6MWE" T-shirt dude

"six million was'nt enough" in case some are wondering if that' s a hip brand.

Conservative Americans are going to have cut the cord with these people.

EDIT: The pic on the left might not be from Jan 6th.

 

[Yevgeny]

Sorry for bringing up the same analogy again but Maidan was full of far-right activists in 2013. So my question to you guys did you support the Revolution in Ukraine back then or not? Just be honest please.

 

[Telmar]

Sorry for bringing up the same analogy again but Maidan was full of far-right activists in 2013. So my question to you guys did you support the Revolution in Ukraine back then or not? Just be honest please.

That' s the problem with this scheme of thinking here...

No, I dispise the ukrainian far right, and especially that they have an awful dubious past, they were some of the worst during WWII.

The protests in Ukraine also need to be put in context with an ethnic divide, and with a leader who had managed to build himself a mansion with a collection of wild animals that only Pablo Escobar outmatched.

That' s why these things can' t be compared that easily.

 

[1645556315]

Hey the "camp auschwitz" dude had lots of pals on the 6th in Washington
The "6MWE" T-shirt dude
"six million was'nt enough" in case some are wondering if that' s a hip brand.

Yeah, same dudes in Ukraine did their revolt in 2014 in full support of US of A.
Not surprised now only 2 countries in the World voted against anti-nazism proposal in the UN.

 

[Telmar]

Is this a Ukrainian thread now?

 

[Yevgeny]

That' s the problem with this scheme of thinking here...

No, I dispise the ukrainian far right, and especially that they have an awful dubious past, they were some of the worst during WWII.

But honestly you did support the "democratic change" in Ukraine in general right?

The protests in Ukraine also need to be put in context with an ethnic divide, and with a leader who had managed to build himself a mansion with a collection of wild animals that only Pablo Escobar outmatched.

That' s why these things can' t be compared that easily.

The same way Trump brought up the allegations of Bidens corruption 100 times during the Debates.

Perfect analogy...

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Yeah right, context is'nt important....

Oh please, cut the crap.
You never gave a s**t about context.

 

[Yevgeny]

Is this a Ukrainian thread now?

Which is not a bad thing actually. Hopefully we will have thousand pages long threads on this forum soon like in good old days. ?

Peace! ✌

 

[bfc1001]

Hey the "camp auschwitz" dude had lots of pals on the 6th in Washington

The "6MWE" T-shirt dude

"six million was'nt enough" in case some are wondering if that' s a hip brand.

Conservative Americans are going to have cut the cord with these people.

EDIT: The pic on the left might not be from Jan 6th.

Should be banned that sort of thing . I'm all for freedom of speech but that's more a political statement designed to antagonise others so doesn't really count at speech .

 

[Telmar]

What a party

May have been before people started dying...but still...enormously disturbing.

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[bfc1001]

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This tweet caught my eye and pretty much sums up my view of things . It's a shame Joe Scarborough and friends waited until trump came along to suddenly be outraged at their presidents actions . I guess it's ok when it's in someone else's back yard .

 

[Telmar]

Should be banned that sort of thing . I'm all for freedom of speech but that's more a political statement designed to antagonise others so doesn't really count at speech .

I prefer people behave responsibly. As disgusting as it is, making it invisible does' nt make it go away.

This tweet caught my eye and pretty much sums up my view of things . It's a shame Joe Scarborough and friends waited until trump came along to suddenly be outraged at their presidents actions . I guess it's ok when it's in someone else's back yard .

The guy in the middle faced an attack on september 11th 2001 that killed more than 3000 Americans.

 

[Fluff]

I think we are wondering far from the path.

The BLM violence was wrong - left didnt condemn, in fact many statements that it was ok, from leading figures.
The overall issue of black people being shot still exists, but I see this as a part of USA overall, not a right/left issue.

Now we have violence from the right, undoubtedly Trump's speech contributed. Now we have 5 dead people. Trump has now grudgingly condemned the violence.

For all the ex-soviet and Iranian scholars, this is not the end of western civilization, its just a slightly bumpy landing, normal service will be resumed. I would not celebrate just yet, as Trump whilst firm in some areas, had become 'understandable' if it was your own country, you can kill who you like, if it involves americans he will trade you out of existence. Your going back to the smiling man, who drops bombs on you, I personally think you were better off with Trump, but thats your business.

 

[1645556315]

The guy in the middle faced an attack on september 11th 2001 that killed more than 3000 Americans.

Yes, i will post this image every freaking time when someone will justify US warcrimes with some stupid remark.

11/2001 terror act was performed by Saudis on Saudi money. Just declare war on Saudis and destroy them! But no, corrupted US politicians prefer to destroy some unrelated countries and kill hundreds of thousands if no millions people and ruin lifes for millions other people instead.

 

[Telmar]

And guess who gave amnesty to war criminals who had been jailed:

Shock And Dismay After Trump Pardons Blackwater Guards Who Killed 14 Iraqi Civilians

"We were surprised that the American president issued a decision to pardon these criminals, murderers and thugs," says an Iraqi man who was shot in the 2007 massacre at Baghdad's Nisour Square.

www.npr.org

The world is a pretty complicated place.

EDIT:

11/2001 terror act was performed by Saudis on Saudi money. Just declare war on Saudis and destroy them! But no, corrupted US politicians prefer to destroy some unrelated countries and kill hundreds of thousands if no millions people and ruin lifes for millions other people instead.

Oh I hate the KSA, hypocrits who funded it all, and the war on Irak. We French got the "white flag" and "traitor" label on us. I disagreed with Chirac on the method, but the invasion of Irak in 2003 sure is a terrible decision, that led to millions of lost lives, although not all due to the actions of the military, but to civil/religious war...that was rampant, and that would have probably surfaced later cuz Saddam was' nt immortal anyways.

As for 9/11, OBL was in Afghanistan, and the Talibans refused to hand him. That was the first request of the USA after the attacks.

 

[1645556315]

The world is a pretty complicated place.

Sure, i see how you trying to whitewash one thing, ignore other and give some plausible excuse for another. I must admit it is not an easy task.

Anyway, i feel sorry for you. You not even US citizen. Peace.

 

[Telmar]

Sure, i see how you trying to whitewash one thing, ignore other and give some plausible excuse for another. I must admit it is not an easy task.

Anyway, i feel sorry for you. You not even US citizen. Peace.

I feel sorry for your lack to make an intelligible response. Anyways, since you updated your post, I updated my first reply.

 

[Deleted member 11302]

He's being tazed.

That's possible, to my layman's eyes it looks like he has gotten maced rather than tased, but no expert here. Still, looking at that picture I crack up each and every time XD

Glad to know we have a self appointed moral High Priest preaching down from the mountaintop. Who the hell are you to judge anyone’s moral standards? Your false equivalency of what the left has been doing since May, the resulting arson, looting, killings and violent crime surge seems to have slipped your mind.

28 Times Media And Democrats Excused Violence By Left-Wing Activists

After excusing and ignoring riots from leftists, Democrats and their allies in the media are ready to condemn riots now that the turmoil has shifted.

thefederalist.com

Ignore Mardonius, he is not a High Priest. Given his political allegiance he is a High Mullah. Guys like him have one item on their political agenda; undermining the West in favour of his beloved islamist regime. To my chagrin there have been numerous western governments that obliged the likes of him for too long. Trump did not and that is why he has this blistering hatred for the man and his supporters.

He "supports" and cries out for the "Heart of US Democracy" so long as that heart beats the rhythm of sanctions relief and acquiescence for Iran's despised clique of criminal mass murderers. When it doesn't, he avails himself of the pseudo-academic language of western liberals decrying "white supremacists" and "reactionaries".

His passion for the DNC stems from the fact that Democrats have historically been willing to go easy on Iran's regime and look the other way when they torture, murder and loot Iranians and other people in the Mid-East for their personal gain. He doesn't have a moral fiber in his entire body.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

 

[tea-drinker]

The protests in Ukraine also need to be put in context with an ethnic divide, and with a leader who had managed to build himself a mansion with a collection of wild animals that only Pablo Escobar outmatched.

That' s why these things can' t be compared that easily.

So what Telmar, the senate and most US politicians are so far from most Americans in terms of wealth and privilege they may as well have exotic animals and the obligatory golden toilet. The fact that law and order was suspended (by dispassionate politicians) in many US cities allowing homes and business to be destroyed for months means that politicians should suck it up where they live. Politicians deliberately hit normal people where they live, they practically suspended the constitution for many areas. So how is "storming" the senate a big loss for those people, the senate was acting against them.

There's an ethnic divide between left and right in USA now. The language is simply not conciliatory since the election, the pot was stirred and people are looking to get revenge (!) for having endured Trump for 4 years. The language is getting more Yugoslav if anything, the comparison does stand. There will be no let up and twitter is full of morons making lists of people to be punished.

Mainstream media:
Trump will be an ex-president in 13 days. The fact is that getting rid of Trump is the easy part. Cleansing the movement he commands is going to be something else.

ABC demands 'cleansing’ Trump movement from America

This is stirring differences on close to racial lines and tbh much of what passes as commentary might get caught by regulators if it happened in EU.
I don't think the USA is going away but neither is the conflict. A 3rd party may help by breaking down some of the class barriers... we'll see.