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[riderboy]

I think it's safe to say that virtually no one was adequately prepared for this.

What is the the purpose of the WHO? Certainly to stop or at least mitigate pandemics. They weren't duped by the Chinese, they corruptly worked hand in hand with them telling the world, "nothing to see here folks, everyone go about your business". What they should have done is shout from the mountain tops that this is serious, and to ignore the official Chicom story. They did not. They were thick as thieves. The failed completely. Tedros is a lying, corrupt, buffoon.

I'm happy Trump suspended their funding. Let the Chinese, Gates, et., al. fund them.

Bingo. As we all know, Trump is a hopelessly stupid buffoon, an aberration, Orange Hitler who makes good decisions only by chance and his lucky dartboard. He probably ordered the US Army to release the virus and blame China, at least that's what China says...... So set him aside for now. What about the other eleventy billion World leaders, scientists and health care workers who took China and WHO at their word that everything was cool, nothing to worry about. Then BOOM! Italy explodes and everyone starts scrambling to buy PPE and shutting down schools. Nope, happy to defund them, happy to investigate China for it's criminal negligence, WHO as well for that matter. I can't answer about the intelligence agencies warnings in November. This particular shitshow started in December. I suppose Trump was reassured by the "experts" that the US was well prepared for any known pandemic, the problem was, this is a Novel (that means 'new') virus. No vaccine, no treatment, and for the first critical weeks, bullish*t information from China and the WHO on how it spread etc. We had our "experts" at the CDC and FDA ready to pounce. Two more bureaucratic institutions that need their clocks cleaned as well BTW.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Well, actually November, December and January.

If we must believe mordoror's well sourced and educated opinion. The US knew about it by November! Makes you wonder if the US didn't actually knew before China. By November they new of a "cataclysmic event"! To quote the "supposed intelligence report" leaked by "anonymous officials". omg onoes

But I'll go with clearly identified individuals' word on it:

Col. R. Shane Day, the director of the NCMI: “As a matter of practice, the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct,”, “No such NCMI product exists.”

Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General John Hyten: “Concerning the intelligence reports, first time I saw this was when I read it in the news, but I can tell you that we went back and did a deep dive into everything we could find,”, “We went back and looked at everything in November and December. The first indications we had were reports out of China in late December that were in the public forum. And the first intel reports I saw were in January.”

Or Esper, Fauci, Byrx, etc...

An intelligence report as early as November could be surprising, since a Lancet study said the first confirmed case wasn’t until December 1. Wei Guixian, among the earliest COVID-19 patients, began to feel sick on December 10. It is possible, however, that the infection was spreading in November.

The WHO concluded the COVID-19 virus first appeared in China, and an investigative report in February found “early cases identified in Wuhan are believed to have acquired infection from a zoonotic source” in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

There is well-documented evidence that China tried to cover up the spread of the coronavirus, muzzled whistleblowers, misled the WHO, and attempted to block outside health experts. At least one study indicated that if the Chinese government had acted more quickly, the coronavirus’s global spread would have been greatly reduced.

Reports show Chinese doctors knew around late December and early January that human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus was almost certainly occurring. Yet the WHO tweeted on January 14 that “preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.”


But sure, it's the US's fault. The US knew by November! And if Trump had not shut down the US CDC branch in Beijing many people could have been saved!

But I'm glad people like mordoror are willing to eagerly gobble unsubstantiated claims for "political gains", parroting talking points heard on talk shows. It does, indeed, say a lot about the actual worth of their scientific approach on most things.

 

[bfc1001]

Good idea. Of course we cant directly force China, but we can ask, and we can sanction. They are going to get some sort of downturn, as professional supply chain's look to diversify their supply chain. These could still be owned by China, but it will still help the overall situation.

Maybe a red amber green metric may be in order , a little like what you see on food labeling in the UK . Visit a green country then your good to go , visit a red one then it's tests at the airport . Any costs can be passed onto the holidaymaker/businessman ( they ll pay if their that desperate to go ) . It will discourage folk going to bad countries and any money raised will help countries create infrastructure to expand medical testing capabilities . Maybe the WHO could instigate the metric instead of what they are currently doing , which is very little .

 

[Mordoror]

About the article citing a NMCI report in end of November, yes it looks a little early to speak of COVID/Coronavirus as do the original article
The NMCI report has denied it BTW

Imo, it is just a deformed journalistic stunt to speak of coronavirus before early december (the depiction of the new viral infection was emitted from chinese CDC to US CDC by a phone call between colleagues the 3 of December and the virus itself was identified after the 20th of December)

The source moreover is not named so you can pile it up on suscpicious journalism.

However, if i don't believe in a intel memo saying "hey dude we have an outbreak of coronavirus in China" in November, a memo saying " something may be going on" is a possibilty
In such case, it is not a warning, just an information. Much like the Taiwan CDC memo to the WHO was not a warning but asking for information.

About possible cases pre-december :

First Covid-19 case happened in November, China government records show - report

Earliest case detected on 17 November, weeks before authorities acknowledged new virus, says Chinese media

www.theguardian.com

Exclusive | China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17

Government records suggest first person infected with new disease may have been a Hubei resident aged 55, but ‘patient zero’ has yet to be confirmed.

www.scmp.com

Note that the South China Morning Post speaks about backdated molecular identification

Italian scientists investigate possible earlier emergence of coronavirus

Italian researchers are looking at whether a higher than usual number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu in Lombardy in the last quarter of 2019 may be a signal that the new coronavirus might have spread beyond China earlier than previously thought.

www.reuters.com

There is also an interesting article about a quck serological test in a Oregon community to find who got it and who didn't. On 40 persons who thought they got it and who were tested, only 1 was positive. But this one said he had his symptoms in the end of December 2019.
Means incubation time is of 5 to 6 days with extreme of 2 to 24 days
Let's say the guy developped his symptoms the 30th of December, this means that he was infected with the mean incubation time, the 24-25th of December or from the 5-6 to 28 December with the extreme incubation points

Which also means that the virus was circulating earlier outside of China than tought
I'll ad it there when i find it

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Iran parliament: Virus deaths nearly double reported figures

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — The death toll in Iran from the coronavirus pandemic is likely nearly double the officially reported figures, due to undercounting and because not everyone with breathing problems has been tested for the virus, a parliament report said.

apnews.com

 

[1645556315]

First cases in Russian army reported. 15 cases in Tyumen military engineers school.

Минобороны впервые сообщило о заразившихся коронавирусом военнослужащих

Коронавирус нашли у 15 человек в тюменском военном училище. Ранее как минимум о трех случаях заражения COVID-19 в российской армии сообщал «Коммерсантъ»

www.rbc.ru

 

[Chazman]

【Second Opinion】China Goes for the Win　（Mark Simon） ｜ 蘋果日報

So folks want to sue China for the damage done by the Coronavirus. Good luck with that. Maybe a more realistic goal to consider is redirec...

hk.appledaily.com

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Mordoror was talking about how Trump's decision to limit travels was "nationalistic".

Here is what "nationalism" looks like:

As Coronavirus Fades in China, Nationalism and Xenophobia Flare (Published 2020)

Now that the pandemic is raging outside China’s borders, foreigners are being shunned, barred from public spaces and even evicted.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Mordoror]

What i was writing before

https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.199/26c.881.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Community-Serum-Testing-For-Past-COVID-19-Infection.pdf

One possible positive case by end December 2019 in Oregon while first official case in Oregon was the 28th Februrary : https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/Kate-Brown-announces-new-rules-to-slow-the-spread-of-COVID-19.html


A good indicator that the virus could have been circulating prior what we tought

 

[Dercius]

Iran parliament: Virus deaths nearly double reported figures

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — The death toll in Iran from the coronavirus pandemic is likely nearly double the officially reported figures, due to undercounting and because not everyone with breathing problems has been tested for the virus, a parliament report said.

apnews.com

Also in Spain, Gov official numbers are way lower tan real ones. Madrid Regional Gov says that they account additional 3.500 victims of covid, than the ones admitted by central gov, Catalonia Regional Gov say that they have additional 3.700 victims of covid, and rest of regional govs are starting to claim that the numbers they give to central gov are also very different from the ones shown by central Gov.

I told you before that current Spanish gov wanted to get out of this pandemic using the Chinese Communist Party playbook. Trying hard to hide their criminal incompetence.

 

[primer]

Clark ex labour PM of NZ repeats labour PM Arderns announcement that she doesn't think Trump is right to punish the WHO for failing to notify the world of consequences of chinavirus.
Clark is a big wig at the UN.

 

[Mordoror]

Oh and about it came all from China, had we known, we would have banned chinese airlines before

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-spread-months-came-europe-study/5120590002/

The first patient NYU Langone team studied had no travel history, indicating they were infected by someone in the community. When Heguy and Maurano compared the genetic data of the virus from that patient to other's in an international database, it was clear that strain came from England.

Mmmm England, the country that was not banned from entry with others EU countries right ?

Heguy and the team have pinpointed strains originating from European countries, including France, Austria and the Netherlands, in two-thirds of the patients they've conducted genetic sequencing of the virus. Other strains have come from countries in Asia and the West Coast of the U.S., but taken with the results from the Mount Sinai research, Heguy said it's clear that New York's outbreak largely originated from European strains.

Internal transmission too

The Mount Sinai study looked at 90 SARS-CoV-2 genomes from 84 confirmed COVID-19 cases in its health system in New York and found "multiple, independent but isolated introductions mainly from Europe and other parts of the United States from January through early March 2020," the researchers wrote.

Introductions and dispersal as early as January

Well, well .....

 

[primer]

The US china trade deal definitely nuanced Trumps attitude at the early stages. Now he won't criticize the chinese president.

He is only going after WHO, during WHO white-house garden berating of WHO which really does need to be WTF he dropped the chinavirus and never mentions his great friend china in harsh words.

Trade deal is clearly written into his speeches for rallies to be president again. the great deal maker.

 

[Chazman]

Clark ex labour PM of NZ repeats labour PM Arderns announcement that she doesn't think Trump is right to punish the WHO for failing to notify the world of consequences of chinavirus.
Clark is a big wig at the UN.

As we know, all of these organizations have become mainly a money grubbing/bribery ring for those who are connected with them.

 

[primer]

Well an apolgy at the WHO their failing has not been drafted. No resignation. All we get is UN sycophants in Labour/green govt here supporting the obvious failure that killed folks in their own country.

Nothing would have stopped Ardern grounding her beloved air nz, preventing chinavirus coming in if the WHO had have been at the outbreak like it should have done and properly telling us all to close the border with china.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

WSJ News Exclusive | China’s Export Restrictions Strand Medical Goods U.S. Needs to Fight Coronavirus, State Department Says

Orders of face masks, test kits and other urgently needed medical equipment are sitting in warehouses, unable to receive official clearances.

www.wsj.com

 

[berkut76]

I have a question for @muck but maybe someone else knows as well. Is there are any data on infection and mortality rates for residents of the Eastern Germany (formerly DDR) who were born prior to unification? The reason for my question is that GDR followed rigid Soviet childhood inoculation protocols. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence from Russia and Ukraine stating that people who were inoculated with BCG vaccine when they were toddlers exhibit much better immunity to COVID-19 and if contracted the symptoms are mild at worst. I don't really trust hearsay from Russia and the Eastern Europe, and the data from Germany if exists would the most reliable source.

 

[primer]

Chang on alibaba with his 3M labeling machine to blame.

 

[primer]

I have a question for @muck but maybe someone else knows as well. Is there are any data on infection and mortality rates for residents of the Eastern Germany (formerly DDR) who were born prior to unification? The reason for my question is that GDR followed rigid Soviet childhood inoculation protocols. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence from Russia and Ukraine stating that people who were inoculated with BCG vaccine when they were toddlers exhibit much better immunity to COVID-19 and if contracted the symptoms are mild at worst. I don't really trust hearsay from Russia and the Eastern Europe, and the data from Germany if exists would the most reliable source.

Aussie's are testing it.

Australian researchers to trial BCG vaccine for Covid-19

Researchers in Australia are set to conduct a multi-centre trial to test the use of BCG vaccine, which is indicated for tuberculosis, against Covid-19.

www.clinicaltrialsarena.com

 

[Mumstermann]

Last week a batch of extremely shady respirator masks was distributed to at least 2 community/city managed home-nursing departments and to an undisclosed number of privately operated nursing homes in the central Uusimaa area (basically the smaller satellite cities close to the capital area). A nurse (staying anonymous, wonder why? /s ) who blew the whistle on this said that she and some other colleagues of her got some skin problems almost the minute they put these on and also had difficulties to breathe through them as well.

The manager interviewed is surprised to hear about of such an incident and also said that the masks were inspected and deemed fit for usage.

Kotihoidossa työskentelevä nainen järkyttyi uusista suojamaskeista: ”Hoitajia pidetään pilkkanaan”

Kyseisiä maskeja on käytössä ainakin osassa Keski-Uudenmaan sote-kuntayhtymän kotihoitoa ja tehostettua palveluasumista.

www.is.fi

The best way that I could describe these "masks" are rubbish. I mean take a look at that. Some cardboard that one would found from the bottom from an microwawe pizza, some rubber band and a little metallic clip that usually is used to close bags of bread, stapled together by a group of kindergarters.

The sheer f***ing audacity to even think of giving this kind of gear to people working with the most vulnerable. The NY-post(?) article of "a Nordic prepper nation" is a lie, or at least won't hold out when the reality is like this. There must be some proper inquiry to all of this when it's all said and done. Many heads should fall, this is unacceptable and criminally negligent, in any circumstance.