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[Fluff]

Cuomo's campaign to slow COVID-19's spread — which include the "PAUSE" ordering non-essential workers home until further notice — may be coupled with an economic plan to reintroduce less vulnerable New Yorkers back into the workforce, the governor said. "You can't stop the economy forever," said Cuomo. "We also have to start to plan the pivot back to economic functionality."

Moderna's RNA easiest to mass produce vaccine won't be ready till after summer in the US for the next Flu season.

Scientists here have been signing petition against herd immunity. Really there isn't a choice. In a purist sense they are right that the health system cannot handle it but the economy can't handle a shut down.
They need to be training lab testing people for one thing, self testing kits provided and ready to use or squander the 4 week shutdown like they did with the too slow border closure.
The petition for more gear is what they need to sign onto. We all know how suck the govt is at that.

You are 3 weeks too late, to petition against herd immunity. Last I heard Dr Corona isn't listening.

 

[Telmar]

Unfortunately in French without English subtitles.
The doctor, interviewed in that sequence, is asking people to be careful with chloroquine and not to take it without medical advice, while reminding there are no certainties about its efficiency.

He´s sick and yet he was the first one who said it was´nt important and nothing shoud be done since it was weaker than the flu.

He was just as unprepared as the government, and he´s a doctor.

 

[muck]

Well instead of playing their mutual blame game, the US citizens (and members on this board as well as the auxiliary frenchman who is french only in name)

Hold up a minute, mate, that was quite uncalled for.

Besides, I'm not surprised the Americans haven't lost their calm yet. Italy was calm a mere four weeks ago. China was calm a mere three months ago.

 

[Chazman]

Hold up a minute, mate, that was quite uncalled for.

Besides, I'm not surprised the Americans haven't lost their calm yet. Italy was calm a mere four weeks ago. China was calm a mere three months ago.

Oh, I think everyone is taking it deadly serious here. We've been practicing social distancing for over a week and our state is on lockdown for all nonessential work. But I fear that curve is looking a lot like Italy's. New York is especially being hard hit, for various reasons. Washington state may have started to go on the other side of the curve. The Surgeon General has warned that this week will be especially tough.

 

[Chazman]

Well instead of playing their mutual blame game, the US citizens (and members on this board as well as the auxiliary frenchman who is french only in name) should watch what is happening right now in the country and feel a bit more concerned

44500 cases
25000 cases in the New York State (7% of the combined worldwide cases)
13% hospitalized of whom 25% are in intensive care
And the curve is going up the Italian way ...................

Boy, talk about people living in glass houses! You've spent a good bit of your time here blaming Trump, Americans, et al.....

 

[Ivan le Fou]

"You are not a true French!"

Looks like we have an authority figure to determine what is a true citizen of x country.
Wait, would not that be chauvinistic? Or slightly nationalistic perhaps?

Oh well, my French identity has been taken away... *sadface*


Anyway.

@muck I wouldn't be surprised if Americans started loosing patience "soon-ish". Though considering what could be witnessed in the various Costcos, Targets and other Walmarts (and probably in most stores, just like any other countries) they went through, and probably still are as well, their "panic time" period.

That being said, in term of civil disobedience and potential civil unrest it does not seem to be a concern. Even big cities like LA, SF, NYC, etc... seem surprising calm. Unless troubles are indeed occurring but are not being reported.

What may make them loose patience though are two, or three, things:

-first, the continual promises made by Trump during his daily briefings. That is something he repeats every day "soon"/"very fast"/"very quickly"/"very soon"/etc... thing is these words don't mean anything in themselves. Days? Weeks? Months? We don't know. And when asked the "when" question, the coronavirus task force gives the same answer "we don't know". In that context saying "soon" does not mean anything and creates nothing but false hope and expectation.

-related to that aspect comes the financial dimension. Non-essential employees are out of a job for the time being, nonetheless bills are still due. And since a significant portion of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, this is without even mentioning those being paid under the minimum wage, the uncertainty grows only bigger. This, this is in the present situation, we are not talking about the after. Lots of businesses will probably have to close for good, the confinement measures having deprived them from customers.

-the political game being currently played by the Democrats and putting the Relief Bill on standby. Sure, the bill is not perfect and will not save everybody, in fact I doubt any bill could save everything and everybody anyway. But it still has the potential to save a few thing and mitigate the aftermath.


Meanwhile, In France, we just reached the 1000 deceased! Champagne!
Aren't we doing so great? Yeah, yeah we are.

Actually it's 1100. And that 1100 is the official number, meaning not counting those who died at home and in EHPAD. The most recent number I saw concerning the EHPAD was around 100, but that was a few days ago iirc. So... yeah. Way up the 1100.
For 22300 confirmed cases. So a bit less than the US, which has around 5 times more inhabitants than France but still less deaths (around 650).

Nothing to brag about...

But yeah, France is doing fine.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

Coronavirus: Government to introduce emergency legislation to allow retired soldiers re-join Defence Forces.

https://amp.independent.ie/world-ne...jEuiJb88C1HNdXq9npw9aKRBj59bMFnRcL-iPQ_V54rHI

After spending decades cutting the Irish military to a very weak shadow of itself they pull this stunt.

 

[Telmar]

Everyday, chartered planes are bringing back Slovaks home...especially from the UK. They will spend two to three weeks in quarantaine

The skies are so empty...

Our curve is not too vertical...but it is still impressive when you think we have been onlockdown since March 13th (shops, restaurants, hotels closed, taxi service interrupted, borders closed)

 

[Mordoror]

Boy, talk about people living in glass houses! You've spent a good bit of your time here blaming Trump, Americans, et al.....

Well, who said it was just a little cold again?
Who said WHO datas were fake news ?
Who on his own guess guessed that mortality was less than 0.1%
Who is now playing a blame game against China for political purposes ?
Guess who?
At least Pence is now showing some shoulders and the health director looks competent and Trump has begun to hear a little. Too little, too late. Carry on pointing your fingers abroad while the disaster spreads at home.
Side note : i ll grant you that the blame game by the Dems is as if not more childish. You have a health disaster looming at home. Maybe it's time to burry the war axe and wait the end of the clusterfuck to settle the score.
But it is your fight, not mine.
And i am not intetested by the pollution of this thread by US political internal issue by the usual MAGAbandwagon (i would have said the same if dems were highjacking the thread, alas-or nor- there are none on this board)

 

[riderboy]

I get what Muck is saying... the American posters here and even one Frenchie is beating a dead horse about Trump saying it is a Chinese Virus. Frankly it is a bit petty for this thread, why not put it in all about Trump thread. Keep your politics in those threads, you guys have enough threads.

Noticed something that to the rest of the world, we criticize what the government is doing, it is only in the US where people somehow think the two different parties are two totally different governments.

Unfortunately, that's our reality. It's an election year, every other fraud perpetrated by the left has failed and now they see an opportunity to damage Trump. Remarkable really. Somehow calling it the "Chinese virus" which it is, really pisses them off. I can't quite figure out why.

 

[Mordoror]

He´s sick and yet he was the first one who said it was´nt important and nothing shoud be done since it was weaker than the flu.

He was just as unprepared as the government, and he´s a doctor.

And half of his declaration are BS
Private labs not working ? They are all setting Covid tests line complementary to the hospitals's ones (from last week)

No strategic reserve of masks?: yes, it was a deal from 2013 that responsability for masks reserve felt on health actors (hospitals, clinics, private practicioners) in exchange of decrease of tax burden

France 3d world country ? Not everything is rosy but i guess that he hasnt set a foot in a 3d world country hospital for a long time to compare. (I have and i can tell you that when the virus will hit Africa, what we have in Europe will look like a fun party in comparison)

But, well, this excerpt was selected as always by the same poster that has not rest about spiting on his birth country so...
No need to point all fallacies it contains, the negative tone is just here to please some, always the same....

 

[Chazman]

Well, who said it was just a little cold again?
Who said WHO datas were fake news ?
Who on his own guess guessed that mortality was less than 0.1%
Who is now playing a blame game against China for political purposes ?
Guess who?
At least Pence is now showing some shoulders and the health director looks competent and Trump has begun to hear a little. Too little, too late. Carry on pointing your fingers abroad while the disaster spreads at home.
Side note : i ll grant you that the blame game by the Dems is as if not more childish. You have a health disaster looming at home. Maybe it's time to burry the war axe and wait the end of the clusterfuck to settle the score.
But it is your fight, not mine.
And i am not intetested by the pollution of this thread by US political internal issue by the usual MAGAbandwagon (i would have said the same if dems were highjacking the thread, alas-or nor- there are none on this board)

Who said that? I'd like a link please. Or, don't even bother.

I try to get along with your anti-Americanism, but sometimes it's a bit over the top. Maybe an American stole your first girlfriend, maybe it was Trump himself. Either way, I don't really care. Just pointing out how you are sometimes hypocritical, that's all.

 

[riderboy]

Oh, I think everyone is taking it deadly serious here. We've been practicing social distancing for over a week and our state is on lockdown for all nonessential work. But I fear that curve is looking a lot like Italy's. New York is especially being hard hit, for various reasons. Washington state may have started to go on the other side of the curve. The Surgeon General has warned that this week will be especially tough.

Unfortunately for New York City, Mayor deBlasio wasn't up to the job the same way Governor Cuomo was. 5 infected teachers, schools remained opened and no one was told about it.....


‘Blood on their hands:’ Teachers say de Blasio and Carranza helped spread coronavirus
https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/blood...lasio-and-carranza-helped-spread-coronavirus/

 

[Musashi]

Look at the map. The flight went through Sochi BECAUSE they want to avoid hostile countries. Russian planes were airforce's planes and in the past years hostile east european regimes often blocked Russian military and government planes.

Define the "regimes". The only two European countries that have regimes are Russia and Belarus. In any other country, you cannot predict who will be ruling it in 4-5 years. The electable tsar has just changed the Russian constitution to be allowed to rule for longer. He planned taking over Belarus, so he would not have to change the constitution, as there would have been a different country, but he failed.

I think you right that Russia did not request Poland, but it is because Polish politics are famous being hysterical russofobes. Russians just try to avoid that usual polish circus and made flight around.

So, admittedly, the assumption has become the claim. What made you think that Poland would not have allowed somebody to help Italy? Letting Russian planes in is totally different from assisting an allied country.

Furthermore, what makes you think that using the Polish airspace would have been required at all as, certainly, it's not?
You don't need to violate the Polish airspace flying from Moscow to Rome. It would make the route longer, so there's no point. Look at this tweet:

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Oh, the hidden message is, trolling Ukraine would not have been as useful as trolling Poland, as the intention was breaking the integrity of the alliance (either NATO or the EU), right???

 

[riderboy]

Who said that? I'd like a link please. Or, don't even bother.

I try to get along with your anti-Americanism, but sometimes it's a bit over the top. Maybe an American stole your first girlfriend, maybe it was Trump himself. Either way, I don't really care. Just pointing out how you are sometimes hypocritical, that's all.

Not sure what he said, I can just imagine it's more of the same. I will, however, quote Dr Fauci on the actions taken by President Trump. Morodor can take snippets of conversation, out of context quotes, and half truths from media reports many of which have been exposed here and totally ignore Trump's record of accomplishments and mobilization. I'm surprised the usual smear technique that Fauci is somehow a Trumpist, a cult member, a rogue infectious disease scientist who can no longer be trusted or believed hasn't yet been deployed. What's that quote from the video again? Oh yeah..."I can't imagine that under any circumstance that anybody could be doing more.." Fauci, when asked about Trump's handling of the corona virus outbreak.

Dr. Fauci Blows Dem Narrative About Trump Coronavirus Response to Pieces

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/dr-fauci-blows-dem-narrative-trump-coronavirus-response-pieces

 

[primer]

Coumo and DeBalsio, confirmed Trump deniers and Trump are on the same page. Going to reopen the economy optimistically Easter, with precautionary measures in place.
Infections are part of the normal expected progression. Its a fantasy to think they can hide away and its gone.

 

[Mordoror]

Who said that? I'd like a link please. Or, don't even bother.

I try to get along with your anti-Americanism, but sometimes it's a bit over the top. Maybe an American stole your first girlfriend, maybe it was Trump himself. Either way, I don't really care. Just pointing out how you are sometimes hypocritical, that's all.

As asked :

Opinion | A Complete List of Trump’s Attempts to Play Down Coronavirus (Published 2020)

He could have taken action. He didn’t.

www.nytimes.com

Coronavirus death rate is 3.4%, World Health Organization says, Trump says 'hunch' tells him that's wrong

The World Health Organization says the fatality rate for coronavirus is 3.4%. Citing a hunch, President Trump called it a "false" number.

eu.usatoday.com

Coronavirus: Five Trump claims fact-checked

The US president's claims about testing and other measures fact checked.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh i know what you will say : bla bla the medias who are working for the dem (even the BBC right ?)
Even when the president is quoted it's the media mis-interpretation
Well, you know what ? I dont care. I just hope that your general surgeon is as good as he looks because you will greatly need his knowledge in the coming days because you are going the way Italy has gone. And despite my supposed "anti americanism" i am wishing you to not be the case.

 

[Musashi]

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One for you this @Musashi . You know my views on the guy but it doesn't look great for the 3 youths. A LEO actually sent me the link and in his opinion the officer near the end bottled it .

Tommy should have thought about protecting his children. I thought about it much earlier than the policeman. The scene from Greenstreet Hooligans came to my mind. He should not have exposed his own kids to danger.

 

[Chazman]

Coumo and DeBalsio, confirmed Trump deniers and Trump are on the same page. Going to reopen the economy optimistically Easter, with precautionary measures in place.
Infections are part of the normal expected progression. Its a fantasy to think they can hide away and its gone.

I also noted that they all had the same opinion on that today. Let's see how the next week or two go regarding flattening the curve first. I hope it works. But you can't have the entire economy shut down indefinitely, either.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Coumo and DeBalsio, confirmed Trump deniers and Trump are on the same page. Going to reopen the economy optimistically Easter, with precautionary measures in place.
Infections are part of the normal expected progression. Its a fantasy to think they can hide away and its gone.

It took DeBlasio longer than Cuomo though.
And that's despite being the mayor of NYC.

But yeah, in the end it is refreshing (?) to see they were able to put their differences aside.