Politics The 2020 American Presidential Election

[Telmar]

Even though I strongly disagree with her motives, her actions and how she was fooled to get involved into all this, she leaves behind baffled friends and relatives.

Rest in Peace Mrs Babbitt

Capitol protests: Woman shot, killed ID'd as Ashli Babbitt, Air Force veteran

The woman fatally shot inside the U.S. Capitol Wednesday has been identified as Ashli Babbitt, a friend confirms to Fox News. Babbitt was a 14-year veteran who served four tours with the Air Force and resided in San Diego, according to media reports.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Gaz]

I think like others, I'm a little shocked at the four deaths. I understand that one was the shooting and then three who died due to "medical emergencies". Car crash, maybe? It's just the most likely thing I can think of compared to three separate accidents/heart attacks.

 

[NZM305]

I think like others, I'm a little shocked at the four deaths. I understand that one was the shooting and then three who died due to "medical emergencies". Car crash, maybe? It's just the most likely thing I can think of compared to three separate accidents/heart attacks.

I believe it is heart attack/breathing type issues for the other 3 possibly tied to being squashed in crowds.

 

[nicememe]

Can't we cut the whataboutisms already. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Translation: Orange man bad. Media did nothing wrong.

Here's the deal: If the media+establishment didn't spent 4 years trying to subvert Trump and his electorate, the Capitol shitfest wouldn't happen.
It's as simple as that. No need for essays or mouth foam.

If you spend years beating a calm dog with a stick, it will eventually bite you. Then you will scream about whataboutisms, and say that the dog was actually Hitler and the stick was only half bad.

 

[bfc1001]

Pointless argument and comparison.

Even though we consider the Russian collusion stuff, and all the accusations thrown at Trump for the past 4 years, were allegations and claims they nevertheless triggered investigations.
No matter they were completely fabricated hoaxes with no fundamental merit or basic standing.
Or, even more absurd, the Kavanaugh rape allegations. Unsubstantiated, uncorroborated, unsupported. And yet! Yet "we must believe the accuser!" and "the accused must submit himself to the inquisition!". One person made a claim. One! Only one. And everybody come running alongside her.

Yet, these "what if" got treated seriously. After all, if a claim is made it should be looked into?


These are the precedents, among countless others, that were set.


And yet, here we are. Countless affidavits, witnesses, evidence, corroborated testimonies, hours of hearings, etc... private citizens coming forward, political figures supporting the case, lawyers, legislators, constitutionalists pleading.
But, for some reasons, it does not meet the threshold. For some reason it is summarize as "Trump's ego".


Same goes with comparisons that ought not to be made to begin with: French elections vs US elections.
Two very different systems with one much more complicated than the other.

Though trump will receive 100% of the blame for yesterday I do hold trump opponents just as culpable . When they lie on the regular regards russiagate and a great many other things and everyone knows it when trump turns round and says " their lying again " regards the election it lands with people . Unless both sides change their ways then I'm not seeing any light at the end of tunnel anytime soon .

 

[tea-drinker]

In a separate address, Biden called Wednesday's unrest "an assault on our Republic, an assault on the rule of the law...of the most sacred of American undertakings -- the doing of the people's business,"

what an absolute b@stard, he stoked the fires of destruction for months seeing many business disrupted if not destryoyed.
Lying POS.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Though trump will receive 100% of the blame for yesterday I do hold trump opponents just as culpable . When they lie on the regular regards russiagate and a great many other things and everyone knows it when trump turns round and says " their lying again " regards the election it lands with people . Unless both sides change their ways then I'm not seeing any light at the end of tunnel anytime soon .

I was just talking about that with a constitutional expert.
Trump will receive 100% of the blame, that's a given. But is he responsible? That's highly debatable.

"Fanning the flame" is not a receivable argument, neither is a "he was intending for this to happen". Intent is extremely hard to prove since nobody is inside someone else's head, and when it has to be proven it has to be without any reasonable doubts.
Though Trump did call his supporters to gather on January 6, he didn't explicitly tell them to storm the Capitol. Him saying "things are going to get fiery" is not a call for anything, but merely a personal description of what would take place during the certification of the EV.
Interpreting "things are going to get fiery" as some kind of secret dog-whistle to unleash a mob, is nothing but the result of personal interpretation and as such is worth nothing.

Furthermore, if Trump is held accountable for what happened, then it would set a precedent for anything related to BLM/antifa.
Their actions have been condoned and supported by a vast majority of the Democrats, therefore they should be held accountable for all the crimes committed by BLM/antifa.
The difference being, though Democrats condoned, supported and, at times, encouraged BLM/antifa; Trump didn't condone, supported or encouraged the events of yesterday.

One also has to keep in my what was demanded: count the result, audit the votes, make sure there was no fraud and make sure there is 100% transparency.
And, unfortunately, they were extremely close to obtain just that had they not stormed the Capitol. That's the "tragic" part. The way the debates were going, it was likely the Republicans would have obtained what they were asking for.

As opposed to BLM/antifa: defund the police, kill the cops, eat the rich, death to Trump, death to conservatives, hail communism, etc...

 

[Euroamerican]

Totally agree with you, Tea-drinker. The Dems stoked the fires from the morning after the day that Trump was elected. Hell, we have proof now that the Obama admin was itself possibly traitorous and definitely seditious from after that November day to January of 2017.

100s of days of burning, looting, maiming and killing in major American cities this summer: and no such condemnation by the Democrat/Left/Media cabal.

One day of mostly peaceful protesting by the other side: Proof that anyone who oppose the Left are traitors/devils/Nazis.....

 

[Euroamerican]

I think like others, I'm a little shocked at the four deaths. I understand that one was the shooting and then three who died due to "medical emergencies". Car crash, maybe? It's just the most likely thing I can think of compared to three separate accidents/heart attacks.

One death due to violence, specifically a protestor being shot by the police (from what I hear).

Three medical emergencies... By rule, they should be listed these days as COVID-19 victims... No?

But then again, Trump created COVID death crisis..... ;-)

 

[colin traveller]

Welcome to what a result of Democrat Policies ... for the rest of America

Absolutely tragic

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[Ivan le Fou]

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[Ivan le Fou]

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There is going to be a swift and severe backlash against the American People after the demonstration at the Capitol. It will be used as a pretext to put the final nail in the coffin of any legitimate dissent against the system.

 

[Telmar]

Translation: Orange man bad. Media did nothing wrong.

Here's the deal: If the media+establishment didn't spent 4 years trying to subvert Trump and his electorate, the Capitol shitfest wouldn't happen.
It's as simple as that. No need for essays or mouth foam.

If you spend years beating a calm dog with a stick, it will eventually bite you. Then you will scream about whataboutisms, and say that the dog was actually Hitler and the stick was only half bad.

Trump spent years denigrating the vote of the people even when the media gave him BJ' s.

2012: The vote is rigged...

Sound familiar? Trump called 2012 vote a 'total sham'

Meet the new Donald Trump, same as the old Donald Trump.

edition.cnn.com

In 2016, Trump had mentioned that if he lost, it would be because the elections would have been rigged.

Why Trump's talk of a rigged vote is so dangerous

Donald Trump is playing with fire.

edition.cnn.com

I think that was a little before the media was mean and everything.

In 2020. He lost because it was rigged.

In all those cases, claims of fraud were debunked or so marginal that they did not have an effect on the result.


That being said, the impeachement attempt against Donald Trump remains also in my view as a coup. I will join you there.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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[Ivan le Fou]

Oh good, they are making lists now.

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[BCNTM]

The Mob storming the Capitol yesterday eve didn’t win.

And Trump has lost the election.

Brace for yourself guys, Biden has won and it’s going to be a four years Biden/Dems presidency.

I will buy you a packet of biscuits if he lives 4 years...............

 

[tea-drinker]

Even though I strongly disagree with her motives, her actions and how she was fooled to get involved into all this, she leaves behind baffled friends and relatives.

Rest in Peace Mrs Babbitt

Capitol protests: Woman shot, killed ID'd as Ashli Babbitt, Air Force veteran

The woman fatally shot inside the U.S. Capitol Wednesday has been identified as Ashli Babbitt, a friend confirms to Fox News. Babbitt was a 14-year veteran who served four tours with the Air Force and resided in San Diego, according to media reports.

www.foxnews.com

But what does it mean fooled? Was she looking at alternative news sites after being sickened and disillusioned by the MSM for years, whose fault is that, you can hardly blame her? If the MSM has lost legitimacy in US (as most countries now) people will look elsewhere.
There was massive "not my president / this is my pussy" riots / protest after Trump victory... seems hysteria is rampant. This escalated over the past 4 years to mostly peaceful riots burning down city blocks, and now we landed where we are now with Capitol occupied.
Any word from BLM on the deaths, was it *really* necessary to shoot the unarmed woman?
Was anyone choked / tasered / restrained and subsequently died?

 

[riderboy]

No surprise. Violence begets violence. All of the riots, arson, beatings, murders and harrassment we’ve seen since the George Floyd killing has been endorsed tacitly and explicitly by the left. Rioters are released from jail with no charges while entire city blocks burn and are looted. SUDDENLY, everyone is selectively outraged and shocked. All that was justified because the US is a racist, capitalist country with Gestapo police squads and an Orange Hitler in charge. Please.https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/6829609-Port-The-right-takes-up-the-lefts-violent-protest-tactics

 

[BCNTM]

No surprise. Violence begets violence. All of the riots, arson, beatings, murders and harrassment we’ve seen since the George Floyd killing has been endorsed tacitly and explicitly by the left. Rioters are released from jail with no charges while entire city blocks burn and are looted. SUDDENLY, everyone is selectively outraged and shocked. All that was justified because the US is a racist, capitalist country with Gestapo police squads and an Orange Hitler in charge. Please.https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/6829609-Port-The-right-takes-up-the-lefts-violent-protest-tactics

Are you taking refuge in Mehico?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Oh and "blame Putin":

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Incidentally, an interesting parallel:

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>US politicians be like
>"peaceful protests" in Hong Kong
>"domestic terrorism" in the capitol
>literally the same thing happened