Politics BLM protests across the US

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Chazman said:
Calling ANTIFA anti-fascist is like calling Hitler anti-Nazi. Antifa is funded by someone, organized by someone, and always seem to deploy people around the country for effect. They are bad actors.
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That's all great. But you can't ban the Idea/Ideology, it is like trying to restrict someone thoughts. As there was mentioned before there is no any major antifa party or group or leaders.

Also what about Kurdish marxists that US supported in Iraq and Syria? They are real marxists groups, armed and often practised some tactics very close to be named terrorist actions. Did US will continue support them and in the same time prohibited them? Of couse US supports a number of islamists terrorist groups for decades, but still, how it supposed to work? Like, we ban terrorists in our country, but support them around the world?
 
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Truck drives into protesters in Minneapolis.

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Interesting detail is the driver is Bogdan Vechirko, ukrainian that served in US-supported pro-regime troops in civil war in Eastern Ukraine.

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I don't think I would F*** around with that guy...
 
riderboy said:
Uh...no. Ghandi and Martin Luther King accomplished the impossible ...peacefully. If you are not familiar with that philosophy, I will post it here. I watched the Civil Rights demonstrations in the '60s as a kid and even I could tell they were going to win. It was an amazing thing to watch. Violence begets violence. It's that simple. Perhaps if we had 8 years of a black President who endorsed more of Dr King's approach than the violent approach of Black Lives Matter we would be seeing more support for the protestors instead of disgust at the violence and bloodshed.

Nonviolence

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Yeah no. Ghandi and MLK are just the « exception to the rule » if you’re also familiar with this expression, rider buddy.

You’re a rational poster but the lecture on the philosophy aspect of the 60s civil rights movement which you apparently witnessed yourself wasn’t needed and didn’t pan out only with hippies, flowers and guitars.

In case it wasn’t clear, I don’t condone violence from Antifa, BLM, anarchists, Neo-nutzis or aliens.

With that said, America has been burning for nearly a week and I don’t rejoice over it, my country has seen similar protests over the deaths of so-called « minorities ».

Violence « begets » violence, sure. But in the mind of the violent protesters and rioters is PRECISELY their tit for tat approach. « You killed one of us. See where we are now? »
 
Jake84 said:
Yeah no. Ghandi and MLK are just the « exception to the rule » if you’re also familiar with this expression, rider buddy.

You’re a rational poster but the lecture on the philosophy aspect of the 60s civil rights movement which you apparently witnessed yourself wasn’t needed and didn’t pan out only with hippies, flowers and guitars.

In case it wasn’t clear, I don’t condone violence from Antifa, BLM, anarchists, Neo-nutzis or aliens.

With that said, America has been burning for nearly a week and I don’t rejoice over it, my country has seen similar protests over the deaths of so-called « minorities ».

Violence « begets » violence, sure. But in the mind of the violent protesters and rioters is PRECISELY their tit for tat approach. « You killed one of us. See where we are now? »
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Violence is not acceptable. Period. If they engage in arson, looting, physical attacks then it will be met with escalating violence. See where that leads us?

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DHS officer shot and killed during Oakland riots; another critically injured

Two Department of Homeland Security agents were shot in Oakland, Calif. on Friday night amid violent protests. One the agents succumbed to their wounds
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I have to wonder how, in one of the most liberal cities in the US, with one of the most far left Mayors in the US, in one of the most liberal States, with one of the most liberal Governors and Attorney Generals in the US, this practice was allowed to be standard restraint protocol...

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George Floyd death: Experts say knee-to-neck restraint is dangerous, but Minneapolis allows it

Law enforcement experts say the actions of four ex-cops involved in the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis violated a number of rules.
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Minneapolis police made 44 people unconscious with neck restraints

Several police experts said that number appears to be unusually high. "By using this tactic, it's a self-fulfilling tragedy," said one.
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AND said:
That's all great. But you can't ban the Idea/Ideology, it is like trying to restrict someone thoughts. As there was mentioned before there is no any major antifa party or group or leaders.

Also what about Kurdish marxists that US supported in Iraq and Syria? They are real marxists groups, armed and often practised some tactics very close to be named terrorist actions. Did US will continue support them and in the same time prohibited them? Of couse US supports a number of islamists terrorist groups for decades, but still, how it supposed to work? Like, we ban terrorists in our country, but support them around the world?
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You can have any ideology you want. But when your "ideology" requires burning cities and looting homes and businesses and fomenting violence, that's whole different kettle of fish.

I can see how you love to post up anti-American parallels on everything, which grows tiresome, but Americans will move past this as we always do. But some places will continue to be ruled by un-elected dictators forever.
 
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McWarpig said:
I can’t totally agree with this. As a cop and a soldier I’ve had the opportunity to interact or observe my counterparts from other countries. I can see that US LEO can be intimidating. This is mostly the result of the US and the presence of firearms. Many other countries’ police are actually part of the military. As a cop and a soldier those police seemed scary in comparison.
In my experience with US agencies there has been severe resistance to “militarizing” at great risk to their officers. The term itself is simply confusing. To the general public the presence of anything tactical from rifles to load bearing vests is a militarized police force. Yet the use of high powered rifles in gangs, mass shootings, and other criminal activity isn’t talked about. There seems to be an expectation for police to respond to deadly situations while appearing “approachable.” Imagine having to respond to the route 91 shooting in Las Vegas with a clipboard, a smart looking hat, and a stern face. That single event caused every agency in the area to change the way they train. Tactics, equipment, and communication was overhauled to meet the shortfalls and failures identified from that incident.
I can tell you that there is a lot of debate about warrior and guardian mind sets in policing. To paint a picture of the difference: At route 91 off duty cops were in attendance, many of them got their loved ones out and returned to render aid to people who had been shot some of them shielding others with their bodies. On duty officers flooded the area and hunted for the shooter in snappy uniforms and bearing pistols. Many agencies are pushing us to consider a guardian mind set and consider the rights safety of criminals as they are citizens too. This is a sound philosophy but is not practical in the way it is being applied through policy. Critical, life saving equipment is secondary to appearing approachable and professional. Protocol is being layered over more protocol when it comes to police action. Think about the Parkland shooting and the officer that wouldn’t enter the school as people were being shot. Protocol was the excuse this officer used because he felt he needed SWAT units or more officers. The truth is we all know that if someone is shooting kids in a school in my town, I’m going in with or without help and whether or not I have the right equipment. This warriorization of the police in the US is a result of these types of incidents. The same way we (cops) view the Parkland officer as a coward for not entering that school (warrior) we see the officers’ treatment of George Floyd as cowards. (Guardians)
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More than the gear, I think it's the "warrior" mindset that is worrisome. It's probably shaped by bad experiences through decades of policing in the US and that evolved into the aggressiveness that one sees today. Multiple vids with cops going aggro by simply being questioned on what they are doing etc. I get it that one too many cops died in the line of service... but that is the job. At some point you have to draw the line if you are going to see the community and the individuals in it as something that is to be protected, or they are all potential cop killers.

Once you start seeing everyone as potential shooter, then you kind of lose your contact with the community. Trust begets trust and if that breaks down then the community gets the us versus them pov. Departments covering their own does not help them at all.

I guess its kind of harder to fix it in the US given the de centralized PD's. So one can have multiple experiences depending on where you live.
 
Chazman said:
You can have any ideology you want. When your "ideology" requires burning cities and looting homes and businesses and fomenting violence, that's who different kettle of fish.

I can see how you love to post up anti-American parallels on everything, which grows tiresome. but Americans will move past this as we always do. But some places will continue to be ruled by unelected dictators forever.
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some observations, this doesn't have much to do with who sponsors who in the ME or Syria s**tstorm. I also don't believe it has much to do with Mr Trump, as he has been elected for a while now, so if a % of americans, or Black americans hated him so much this would have kicked off a good while ago.

The touch paper has been another killing of a black man, by a white police man. I'm sure the opposite also happens. So there is legitimate protest here. But torching business(in your own town?) and people's cars? And the risk of killing completely innocent people, plus the response being in cities/states where no-one was killed, attacking your own police, that you pay for?

The Minneapolis police chief should go, it should be put under the control temporarily of a well regarded Police force from another state, policies, training, testing, and a review of previously reported problems with officers undertaken. That is literally what has been done in the UK with some poorly managed forces. Plus some central department should track deaths in custody, and investigate any suspicious numbers, and publish the figures. Its really not rocket science.....
 
Junglejim said:
More than the gear, I think it's the "warrior" mindset that is worrisome. It's probably shaped by bad experiences through decades of policing in the US and that evolved into the aggressiveness that one sees today. Multiple vids with cops going aggro by simply being questioned on what they are doing etc. I get it that one too many cops died in the line of service... but that is the job. At some point you have to draw the line if you are going to see the community and the individuals in it as something that is to be protected, or they are all potential cop killers.

Once you start seeing everyone as potential shooter, then you kind of lose your contact with the community. Trust begets trust and if that breaks down then the community gets the us versus them pov. Departments covering their own does not help them at all.

I guess its kind of harder to fix it in the US given the de centralized PD's. So one can have multiple experiences depending on where you live.
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Sorry but on this one, the supply/availability of weapons is a contributor. Separating out the valid point that law abiding people can have guns(if I lived in USA I would want a gun). Any criminal can get a weapon, so almost certainly does get a weapon.

For a civilian, you are in a flock of other civilians, so you take your chances. Now 1 of your 100 gets to wear a black suit and a shiny badge, drives a big car with flashy lights. The criminals can see them from miles away. So as a police officer, every criminal you meet will be armed, and so we hear, US prisons and sentences so severe, that the criminal isn't wanting to come quietly, so most will want to shoot it out with you. so every traffic stop, every home visit is a potential shoot out. As a cop you are going to be on high alert. Add in enough firepower to win and its not pretty.
 
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Or in other words, bunch of .. are beating a shit out of recent immigrant trying to put a food on his table during the COVID-19 pandemic.


Chazman said:
Calling ANTIFA anti-fascist is like calling Hitler anti-Nazi. Antifa is funded by someone, organized by someone, and always seem to deploy people around the country for effect. They are bad actors.
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nazis = commies, same shit, different colors.
 
We had supportive protests here NZ that were peaceful. But totally ignored social distancing. None really has skin in the US game so can't really compare as we also have had riots in the past. These guys beside covid were ok. They get generously heard here in NZ on race issues.
 
Any comment on the Minneapolis PD protocols for allowing this type of restraint, even as 44 people were rendered unconscious by it in the last 5 years according to press reports? I can hardly believe this was an approved technique, any LE thoughts? And how far up the chain of command does responsibility lie for allowing this to be used?
 
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