Politics BLM protests across the US

[Chazman]

Well, this is interesting.

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[Mike1976]

Any comment on the Minneapolis PD protocols for allowing this type of restraint, even as 44 people were rendered unconscious by it in the last 5 years according to press reports? I can hardly believe this was an approved technique, any LE thoughts? And how far up the chain of command does responsibility lie for allowing this to be used?

Adding to this I don't really understand the reasoning behind the technique ... Keeping a suspect immobilized means controlling their arms, legs and torso. All able to be done reasonably safely with a reasonable amount of force/mass unless there are very specific underlying medical conditions. At that point their head really makes very little difference since it can't move independently of the rest of the body enough to pose much of a threat if any as the suspect is facing either the ground, a wall or the hood of a car. Immobilizing the neck like that knowing the spinal cord runs through there as well as the airway makes it the least sane place to apply force to right?

 

[Chazman]

Someone appears to be pre-positioning brick piles, before riots.

Kansas City Police Say Bricks Staged Near Protests Were ‘To Be Used During A Riot’

The Kansas City police department said Sunday that officers found bricks and rocks staged near protest sites around the city.

dailycaller.com

 

[bfc1001]

For a civilian, you are in a flock of other civilians, so you take your chances. Now 1 of your 100 gets to wear a black suit and a shiny badge, drives a big car with flashy lights. The criminals can see them from miles away. So as a police officer, every criminal you meet will be armed, and so we hear, US prisons and sentences so severe, that the criminal isn't wanting to come quietly, so most will want to shoot it out with you. so every traffic stop, every home visit is a potential shoot out. As a cop you are going to be on high alert. Add in enough firepower to win and its not pretty.

A failure of the 1994 crime bill ? Great short term but long term an escalation which has led to situations we see today . Constantly raising the stakes is the opposite to what is needed in reducing crime .

 

[Chazman]

Rioters reportedly kill a man in Dallas trying to defend his store.

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This store owner reportedly passed away this morning. There had better be murder charges.

 

[ao_sepia]

national guard has service but why state defense force had not service?

State defense force - Wikipedia

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[Fish&Chips]

Yeah no. Ghandi and MLK are just the « exception to the rule » if you’re also familiar with this expression, rider buddy.
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Violence « begets » violence, sure. But in the mind of the violent protesters and rioters is PRECISELY their tit for tat approach. « You killed one of us. See where we are now? »

The following article seems to back Jake's rationale.

Throughout the 20th century, black Americans armed themselves in the face of white mobs and organized protection for their freedom marches. Accordingly, when George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and so many others were killed by police, black people and their allies chose to rise up. ... Throughout history, black people have employed violence, nonviolence, marches, and boycotts. Only one thing is clear—there is no form of black protest that white supremacy will sanction. Still, black people understand the utility of riotous rebellion: Violence compels a response. Violence disrupts the status quo and the possibility of returning to business as usual. So often the watershed moments of historical record are stamped by violence—it is the engine that propels society along from funerals to fury and from moments to movements.

The Double Standard of the American Riot

The nationwide protests against police killings have been called un-American by critics, but rebellion has always been used to defend liberty.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[morris]

 

[Mike1976]

The following article seems to back Jake's rationale.

The Double Standard of the American Riot

The nationwide protests against police killings have been called un-American by critics, but rebellion has always been used to defend liberty.

www.theatlantic.com

To put that entire story, site and organization into perspective here is what they write at the top of their website: "We've posted our July/August cover story early. Read Anne Applebaum on why some political leaders abandon their principles in support of an immoral regime"

Years of hoaxes, conspiracies and other fake biased stories from such partisan hacks about American government, law, society and culture is exactly why there is so much division.

 

[riderboy]

The following article seems to back Jake's rationale.

The Double Standard of the American Riot

The nationwide protests against police killings have been called un-American by critics, but rebellion has always been used to defend liberty.

www.theatlantic.com

Anyone who stands for, condones, excuses or gives even tacit approval to arson, looting, vigilante style revenge and violence has blood on their hands. Pure and simple.

 

[riderboy]

 

[Fish&Chips]

Years of hoaxes, conspiracies and other fake stories from such partisan hacks about American government, society and culture is exactly why there is so much division.

From my outsider's perspective I fear it is more because people have forgotten about the basics of democracy, free speech and free press

• different press opinions are part of a democratic society (as in 'free speech' and 'you may choose what you read')
• "Partisan hacks" of all kind are needed in a free press world because they differ from the mainstream and provide new perspectives.
• scholarly opinions are not automatically "hoaxes, conspiracies and other fake stories" just because the opposite part of the political media is calling a tad bit louder.
• Political agendas have always been part of the media.

Instead everything that fits into people's comfort zone of Facebook, Youtube, Twitter and Google News has to be "teh truth".

Anyone who stands for, condones, excuses or gives even tacit approval to arson, looting, vigilante style revenge and violence has blood on their hands. Pure and simple.

I agree with you and I'm having a problem with that Atlantic author's romanticist attitude of "I wanna go out there, too, and riot." Nevertheless I found her analysis quite interesting.

 

[NZM305]

Protesting against police brutality or protesting about not being able to get a haircut??

 

[Fish&Chips]

Oh the irony!

The sad thing is though that she could even report the cop in the base cap for not wearing the mandatory face mask (unless police are exempt from the Illinois mask rules).

 

[riderboy]

I agree with you and I'm having a problem with that Atlantic author's romanticist attitude of "I wanna go out there, too, and riot." Nevertheless I found her analysis quite interesting.

Yep. The romanticism might be diminished by the sight of her home being burned to the ground, unsure if her family was able to get out or not, as crowds cheered and clapped.

 

[Chazman]

More comments by Michael Yon, regarding ANTIFA's new status.

ANTIFA and other clowns better have their OPSEC on, but my strong guess is that they already screwed up so much on OPSEC that they are about to know what it's like to be hunted by real predators who are straight up killers and love their jobs.
ANTIFA clowns probably have little idea at how quickly and surely their networks and nodes will be mapped. Minutes. Especially if you carry a phone or similar device, they will know everyone you met with, everywhere you went, books you browsed online, where you travelled, when you travelled, what time you hit the toilet, when you sleep.
They will know if you are gay or not by the way your handle your phone. They will know more about you than you know about you.
They will know every financial transaction. If any billionaire or famous person has supported you, they will know.
All compromised. All your contacts around the world. And your contacts' contacts, where they vacation, who your girlfriend or boyfriend is sleeping with while you are playing ANTIFA.
They may share your information or that of your contacts with foreign intelligence services who may target you or your contacts overseas.
They will know any journalists you contact -- or if maybe you are a journalist at, say, CNN -- who nightlights as ANTIFA.
If you are a cop, or married to one, they will know. If you are in the US military, you will be caught. Instantly.
They might not say a word.
They might just watch you for years. Many years. Or they might blow a hole in your wall and you wake up with a gun in your face.
Or, maybe, many years from now when you thought you got away, a small team will bundle you off a beach at night and onto a dark boat and your disappearance will barely make a footnote, and may never even hit the news.
You are up against big boys and girls who play by adult rules.

 

[Gaz]

Woke up this morning to see the President had talked about sending in the military (rather than the National Guard) which I didn't think was legal due to the Posse Comitatus act, though it seems that the Insurrection Act of 1807 can override that and was actually invoked in the LA Riots in 1992 (Something else I hadn't known - I thought that was solely the California National Guard).

Various bits of reading for any non-Americans who were similarly confused -

This Is What The Insurrection Act Of 1807 Is And How Trump Could Try To Use It

The President does have the authority to use the military to respond to domestic unrest, but his ability to invoke it now is very murky.

www.thedrive.com

What is the Insurrection Act?

President Donald Trump announced he may invoke the Insurrection Act. Here's what it means.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Musashi]

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Soros is not ugly enough here.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

This store owner reportedly passed away this morning. There had better be murder charges.

Against who though?

 

[Junglejim]

Woke up this morning to see the President had talked about sending in the military (rather than the National Guard) which I didn't think was legal due to the Posse Comitatus act, though it seems that the Insurrection Act of 1807 can override that and was actually invoked in the LA Riots in 1992 (Something else I hadn't known - I thought that was solely the California National Guard).

Various bits of reading for any non-Americans who were similarly confused -

This Is What The Insurrection Act Of 1807 Is And How Trump Could Try To Use It

The President does have the authority to use the military to respond to domestic unrest, but his ability to invoke it now is very murky.

www.thedrive.com

What is the Insurrection Act?

President Donald Trump announced he may invoke the Insurrection Act. Here's what it means.

www.foxbusiness.com

Well that's a can of worms about to be opened. One itchy trigger fingers and I can just see that 2nd Amendment right come into serious play