Politics BLM protests across the US

An example of how media manipulates what people see, just by a headline...


When the actual interviews shows that they were there to protect protestors from police violence.

It’s the Dailymail though, buddy. Not exactly the pinnacle for « fact-checking ».
 
Respected or liked? Because trust me, that group now respects the curfew and police orders to go inside. And at this moment, that is exactly what is required. Most Minneapolis citizens are happy and relieved that the police and NG have retaken the city and saved it from further destruction. They just feel like it is 2 days too late.

I get your point, I genuinely do but part of me can't help but think about this specific incident in short term benefits vs longterm costs. I don't know anything about that group in the video, but it's my assumption that other than standing outside on their own property during a curfew, they weren't breaking any other laws. For the benefit of getting them off their porch and into their house for a night, that police officer with the paintball gun has potentially created a lifetime of distrust between that otherwise law abiding group and the police and I have to wonder if it was worth it. I know it's easy for me to think things like this because I'm not in one of those cities, or indeed even American but I know that during the riots here in the UK in 2011, if a policeman had fired paintballs at me for nothing more than standing on my own property then my currently supportive attitudes to the police could be swayed pretty easily after that.

Also - glad your office seems to be OK.
 

And also, that sort of thing:

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Metropolitan Police have stated there were 23 arrests at the the various protests/demonstrations in London.

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I saw some pics similar to these.

It' s a WTF moment, extremely symbolic given the media attention given to it a few years ago...and who came out most hardly against it.

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I’m sure many will have a problem with that post but I don’t.

Regarding the bolded paragraph, yes. No one here approve of cops being thrown bricks at them, being thrown urine bottles or lord know what else.

If you want change, if you want your government to listen to you and as despicable the violence are, doing « sittings » peacefully has never achieved S**t. I’m deeply troubled by the violence even though I’m not even American, and the store owners didn’t deserve all this, but neither did Mister Floyd.

Up to the Justice and the Judge that will handle this case to give a proper sentence. Not up to the mobs and SJW on social media’s but seriously, if Mr Chauvin gets away with it or is granted some leniency, America will keep burning to the ground.

It has, not always but then again at one point, although many people might be in the street, it does' nt mean they represent everyone. The violence at the ultra leftist "nuit debout" protests in France, or the yellow vests protest in France where most people could not really formulate what they were upset about, except that the president should resign...

And that is where I am going. What are you asking the government? What rights are you deprived of? What cannot be changed by going voting every four or five years? What can' t be improved by your own adapting to a changing situation.

If you live in a dictatorship, if you are emprisoned for simply holding up a sign asking for early elections, then perhaps violence is not avoidable. if the justice system is rigged, if you have a president for life (even not officially), then the struggle is hard. The irony is that only in a democracy can you have the level of cr@p that you see here.

In France when the government tried to kill the catholic schools, large crowds turned out and overturned it...no violence. In Slovakia, after the murder of a journalist and his fiancee by interests close to the government, in a ramping corrupt and toxic environment where attorney general and government hand in hand made sure no investigation was rightfully led to conclusion...peaceful protests got rid at first of the police chief and the interior minister, and then the Prime minister...and the elections did the rest.

In France or in the US, violence from protest groups achieve things...but things that are not right either...nor fair.

George Floyd sure did not deserve to die, and it' s amazing that police officers just watched that without reacting. People have the right to be angry, very angry. but I will not get behind that. What do these people want that they cannot achieve by going to vote, by campaigning for more professional sheriffs, or judges?
 
Since the protests are spreading in many western countries, and since we are talking about France, some political figures are trying to capitalize on the events:



While not really grasping what these events are all about and what is really going on in the US.

A social and civil revolution, the People is in the streets, the Era of the People has come, a Berlin Wall will fall in New York, etc...
 
I saw some pics similar to these.

It' s a WTF moment, extremely symbolic given the media attention given to it a few years ago...and who came out most hardly against it.

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Is it all sincere?

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Calling ANTIFA anti-fascist is like calling Hitler anti-Nazi. Antifa is funded by someone, organized by someone, and always seem to deploy people around the country for effect. They are bad actors.

Agreed. When you look at their origins they had to compete with the nazis for power and lost. They were and are anti-fascist by necessity, but marxist by design. This is what has kept them under the radar for so long, using the anti-fascist angle which especially post WW2 no sane person could be against, to obfuscate their real goal; violently imposing the ideology of butchers like Mao and Stalin.

T-shirts of Che Guevara who used his medical training to torture people are culturally accepted through decades of leftist domination of the education system, entertainment and media. Now try putting on a MAGA hat and see how long it takes for someone to harrass you, especially in a major city. I contemplated using a "t-shirt of Joseph Mengele" comparison as it would be far more comparable to Che, but plenty of assaults against people wearing MAGA hats since 2016 show that far less extreme examples are enough to show the left's leanings towards domestic terrorism.
 
I’m sure many will have a problem with that post but I don’t.

Regarding the bolded paragraph, yes. No one here approve of cops being thrown bricks at them, being thrown urine bottles or lord know what else.

If you want change, if you want your government to listen to you and as despicable the violence are, doing « sittings » peacefully has never achieved S**t. I’m deeply troubled by the violence even though I’m not even American, and the store owners didn’t deserve all this, but neither did Mister Floyd.

Up to the Justice and the Judge that will handle this case to give a proper sentence. Not up to the mobs and SJW on social media’s but seriously, if Mr Chauvin gets away with it or is granted some leniency, America will keep burning to the ground.

Uh...no. Ghandi and Martin Luther King accomplished the impossible ...peacefully. If you are not familiar with that philosophy, I will post it here. I watched the Civil Rights demonstrations in the '60s as a kid and even I could tell they were going to win. It was an amazing thing to watch. Violence begets violence. It's that simple. Perhaps if we had 8 years of a black President who endorsed more of Dr King's approach than the violent approach of Black Lives Matter we would be seeing more support for the protestors instead of disgust at the violence and bloodshed.

 
Agreed. When you look at their origins they had to compete with the nazis for power and lost. They were and are anti-fascist by necessity, but marxist by design. This is what has kept them under the radar for so long, using the anti-fascist angle which especially post WW2 no sane person could be against, to obfuscate their real goal; violently imposing the ideology of butchers like Mao and Stalin.

T-shirts of Che Guevara who used his medical training to torture people are culturally accepted through decades of leftist domination of the education system, entertainment and media.

Madonna made a song about him.

Which is sort of funny since she represents most, if not all, that he hated.
 
Although there is racism in the US Police force, I dont think it is systemic. There has always been racial tension in the US no matter how much "Kumbaya" they sell. The main issue that I see here is Police Brutality and most of what we see on how cops interact is confrontational and you see the warriorization of the Police Force. Now is this a problem of the Police itself or representative of the national psyche?

4 cops in the video didnt see anything wrong with putting a knee on the neck of a handcuffed person. That's the problem, all the cops in that video should have been arrested as accomplices.

The looters are opportunistic parasites that is just a part of riots, but the rioters burning buildings down and the police headquarters have a point, you have to scare your government or police force into action on giving baby slaps to your abusive cops. All the talks in the community havent done a think and police brutality and immunity (perceived or not) will just keep on repeating itself until action is made. Some people are just saying that expect consequences.

I wasnt kidding when I mentioned that the Police Force of the US is scarier than the once I have seen in China or everywhere else I have traveled.
I can’t totally agree with this. As a cop and a soldier I’ve had the opportunity to interact or observe my counterparts from other countries. I can see that US LEO can be intimidating. This is mostly the result of the US and the presence of firearms. Many other countries’ police are actually part of the military. As a cop and a soldier those police seemed scary in comparison.
In my experience with US agencies there has been severe resistance to “militarizing” at great risk to their officers. The term itself is simply confusing. To the general public the presence of anything tactical from rifles to load bearing vests is a militarized police force. Yet the use of high powered rifles in gangs, mass shootings, and other criminal activity isn’t talked about. There seems to be an expectation for police to respond to deadly situations while appearing “approachable.” Imagine having to respond to the route 91 shooting in Las Vegas with a clipboard, a smart looking hat, and a stern face. That single event caused every agency in the area to change the way they train. Tactics, equipment, and communication was overhauled to meet the shortfalls and failures identified from that incident.
I can tell you that there is a lot of debate about warrior and guardian mind sets in policing. To paint a picture of the difference: At route 91 off duty cops were in attendance, many of them got their loved ones out and returned to render aid to people who had been shot some of them shielding others with their bodies. On duty officers flooded the area and hunted for the shooter in snappy uniforms and bearing pistols. Many agencies are pushing us to consider a guardian mind set and consider the rights safety of criminals as they are citizens too. This is a sound philosophy but is not practical in the way it is being applied through policy. Critical, life saving equipment is secondary to appearing approachable and professional. Protocol is being layered over more protocol when it comes to police action. Think about the Parkland shooting and the officer that wouldn’t enter the school as people were being shot. Protocol was the excuse this officer used because he felt he needed SWAT units or more officers. The truth is we all know that if someone is shooting kids in a school in my town, I’m going in with or without help and whether or not I have the right equipment. This warriorization of the police in the US is a result of these types of incidents. The same way we (cops) view the Parkland officer as a coward for not entering that school (warrior) we see the officers’ treatment of George Floyd as cowards. (Guardians)
 
Agreed. When you look at their origins they had to compete with the nazis for power and lost. They were and are anti-fascist by necessity, but marxist by design. This is what has kept them under the radar for so long, using the anti-fascist angle which especially post WW2 no sane person could be against, to obfuscate their real goal; violently imposing the ideology of butchers like Mao and Stalin.

T-shirts of Che Guevara who used his medical training to torture people are culturally accepted through decades of leftist domination of the education system, entertainment and media. Now try putting on a MAGA hat and see how long it takes for someone to harrass you, especially in a major city. I contemplated using a "t-shirt of Joseph Mengele" comparison as it would be far more comparable to Che, but plenty of assaults against people wearing MAGA hats since 2016 show that far less extreme examples are enough to show the left's leanings towards domestic terrorism.

I'd categorize them as Marxist anarchists who like to use fascist tactics.
 
Truck drives into protesters in Minneapolis.

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Interesting detail is the driver is Bogdan Vechirko, ukrainian that served in US-supported pro-regime troops in civil war in Eastern Ukraine.

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