Politics BLM protests across the US

[Chazman]

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Time to take control. We've watched paid anarchists, punks and disaffected individuals, literally burn down and loot cities and personal property with impunity for 2 days and now it's time to send a new message. I get that they were on their front porch and all. But they certainly were ordered with complete clarity at least 10 times in the video, to get inside. If it took a paint ball to the thigh in order to get that reality check, so be it.

 

[Chazman]

Does anyone here not feel bad for this poor man. There are thousands like him.

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[primer]

Very few grey haired protestors. What happened to the hippy generation.

 

[Marat]

Time to take control. We've watched paid anarchists, punks and disaffected individuals, literally burn down and loot cities and personal property with impunity for 2 days and now it's time to send a new message. I get that they were on their front porch and all. But they certainly were ordered with complete clarity at least 10 times in the video, to get inside. If it took a paint ball to the thigh in order to get that reality check, so be it.

Yes know they will learn to appreciate Police and NG and not to protest against them. Thats why they posted this video to show how respecfull they are

 

[Chazman]

Very few grey haired protestors. What happened to the hippy generation.

Many of them are behind the scenes instigating.

 

[Chazman]

Yes know they will learn to appreciate Police and NG and not to protest against them. Thats why they posted this video to show how respecfull they are

Well, they will definitely learn something - in fact it appears they did.

 

[Marat]

Well, they will definitely learn something - in fact it appears they did.

You will se next year in next protest if yourpolice is more respected.

 

[Chazman]

You will se next year in next protest if yourpolice is more respected.

Respected or liked? Because trust me, that group now respects the curfew and police orders to go inside. And at this moment, that is exactly what is required. Most Minneapolis citizens are happy and relieved that the police and NG have retaken the city and saved it from further destruction. They just feel like it is 2 days too late.

 

[Telmar]

Time to take control. We've watched paid anarchists, punks and disaffected individuals, literally burn down and loot cities and personal property with impunity for 2 days and now it's time to send a new message. I get that they were on their front porch and all. But they certainly were ordered with complete clarity at least 10 times in the video, to get inside. If it took a paint ball to the thigh in order to get that reality check, so be it.

This way over the top. They are on the first floor, in their home, and are shot at directly.

We´ve had some police overreaction during the yellow vests protests, and one woman in Marseilles who died from getting a shot of an LBD while on her balcony..but it was in the midst of a conflict between police and protesters. This is cold blooded...There is no way I could ever stand behind that, even though I am very pro LEO as they work in very dangerous conditions.

 

[Chazman]

This way over the top. They are on the first floor, in their home, and are shot at directly.

We´ve had some police overreaction during the yellow vests protests, and one woman in Marseilles who died from getting a shot of an LBD while on her balcony..but it was in the midst of a conflict between police and protesters. This is cold blooded...There is no way I could ever stand behind that, even though I am very pro LEO as they work in very dangerous conditions.

I can respect that. And I would typically agree completely. But the situation has been allowed to get completely out of control and now this happens.

 

[McWarpig]

I colud be wrong because i am not very interested in internal US politics (unless it affect my country). Though me think these events are something deeper then just outrage at murder of this poor guy or desire to rob liquor stores and fire a cars. Seems society (or at least some significant part of it) can't tolerate this over repressive legal and law enforcement system anymore. It's just ridiculous how such exceptional democratic country and self-appointed leader of the world is much more repressive then most of the "autocratic regimes" and "dictatorships".

Yup
You are wrong.
Not your fault. The “repression” of anyone in this country is a myth. (Unless you are referring to the police).
The pampered society in this country has created a culture of false outrage. We seem to have created a need for self victimization within our current culture. Based on race, gender, or social class; our current culture seems to think that they are being repressed, when in actuality it is just a struggle for social identity. To be fair I think you make a good point though. Whether it’s fabricated or just this generation’s version of social rebellion, there is a real tension that is present. The incident resulting in George Floyd’s death was just a catalyst. Police represent the most visible arm of government.

The US is not a democracy. We are a Republic. More autocratic governments have plenty of riots, (often a regular part of sporting events.) The part you missed is how Democrat governors are suddenly calling on their local military to protect their communities from their own voter base. This is why what is happening right now is less of an uprising but more of a mass hysterical tantrum.

 

[Marat]

Necesity to stop looting is offcourse out of the question. But question is what lessons will be taken in changing police? I i could bet that that will be more APC, more fire power more violence...

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Ilhan Omar: George Floyd protesters ‘terrorized’ by National Guard troops, ‘militarized police’

Rep. Ilhan Omar, whose Minneapolis district is ground zero for the weekend’s riots, said Sunday that protesters felt “terrorized” by National Guard troops called in to stop the violence, looting and arson.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[McWarpig]

I'm not sure about the racism aspects but there are definitely some troubling behaviors with the various US police forces that have contributed massively to the disconnect and distrust from large parts of the community.

Firstly there is turning them into revenue generators. The Fergusson riots a couple of years back happened in towns where the local police force were responsible for 30 - 40% of the towns revenue with fines and seizures. And that mostly involves "nickle and diming" the poorer parts of for bullshit breaches of laws and seizing property in the name of "the war on drugs". That kind of thing is never going to make a police force trusted or beloved by its citizens.

Secondly we have the role of the police unions. Who make it near impossible to discipline or fire officers who misbehave (see for example New York and the death of Eric Garner). This case is unusual in that the local police union haven't stepped in to claim that his actions were correct. In many other cases where an officer has been fired, a couple of months later they are rehired after negotiation with the police union on the grounds of "improper firing".

Thirdly we have the US legal concept of "qualified immunity" which makes police and prosecutors immune to suits over their behavior no matter how egregious unless "there is clearly established precedent that the behavior was wrong. This had led to examples of cases being quashed where the police officers stole money from the accused, threw flash-bangs into a baby's crib, shot bystanders while trying to shoot their dog, or WWE slammed a person head first into the ground (as well as protecting prosecutors who withheld evidence showing that the accused was innocent as another example).

Finally we have the militarization of the police. It's hard to argue that this isn't happening when you have police officers going around wearing the same camouflage as the US Army wears and driving the same vehicles. Behaving like you are on enemy territory can only encourage treatment of locals as the enemy.

This is completely off. Wayyyyyy of the Mark.
You are making a huge generalization. If this where the 80’s or even the 90”s I’d be with you on this. Your description isn’t inaccurate, but you really missed the target. The real issue is a lack of standardization throughout the nation. We look at this problem at the National level yet the problems are local. If the expectation is all cops are held to the same standard nation wide, then the standards have to be enforced at that level.
If your local LEOs are a gang of racist thugs, you probably voted their boss into office. I can say I’ve met cops and groups of cops that fit your description. I could even point out some small local agencies that stink of poor standards and corruption. But this isn’t a widespread phenomenon.
One major thing that has effectively dragged modern police depts into transparency is the use of body cams and cell phones. Simple tools that force departments to be accountable. Just the appearance of wrong doing or heavy handed enforcement could cost departments millions in civil suits, even when officers are exonerated from criminal charges.
This misperception of this widespread conspiracy or single minded police community is just naive.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Justice Department to treat antifa involvement in protests as domestic terrorism

Antifa is a loosely defined far-left movement that uses violence and direct-action protest tactics.

www.axios.com

 

[primer]

They rarely are referred to as rioters or even extremists,.. if even one time I have not heard it here in NZ "news". They are activists and protestors only.

 

[NZM305]

Time to take control. We've watched paid anarchists, punks and disaffected individuals, literally burn down and loot cities and personal property with impunity for 2 days and now it's time to send a new message. I get that they were on their front porch and all. But they certainly were ordered with complete clarity at least 10 times in the video, to get inside. If it took a paint ball to the thigh in order to get that reality check, so be it.

So they are enforcing a stay at home order due to rioting, but what would your response be if they were enforcing a covid stay at home order?

 

[Chazman]

This from Michael Yon today:

President Trump on War Path Against ANTIFA -- that's how you get re-elected. This will allow our intelligence apparatus to track back their financial and other support networks.

Financial transactions. Metadata. Huge amounts of data can be sifted and mapped in minutes. Organizational structure can be mapped like a family tree with a few keystrokes.

If you've been supporting ANTIFA, call your attorney. If this goes through and you have a security clearance, kiss it goodbye. If you used government computers, government phone, government anything to support a terrorist organization, you got problems.

Bank accounts can be frozen. Passports revoked. No flight list. Everything.

If you have been supporting ANTIFA and this stands and you are in America, your life just took a hard turn.

 

[Chazman]

So they are enforcing a stay at home order due to rioting, but what would your response be if they were enforcing a covid stay at home order?

If Covid people were looting, burning, destroying, killing and injuring...

It's easy to be an armchair commando, (not you personally), from half a world away. But if you have a real concern for the safety of your family and your property and place of business is being destroyed, you want this to end.

BTW, just got a text. My friend's place of business is being looted and destroyed as I type this. I'm not sure what my office will be like by morning.

 

[Chazman]

Well done. This NCO is a stud.

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