Politics BLM protests across the US

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[Fluff]

Hundreds of activists descend on Trafalgar Square and Parliament Square brandishing placards.

Clearly the need to protest about something happening thousands of miles away, overrides the need to stay away from crowds.

I can see the logic to protest at the US embassy, but I would suggest the US/Trump etc has a bit on his plate right now, so your really not making a difference. And If these protests, in UK, turn violent then that really is out of order.

 

[Fluff]

Setting aside the racial aspects, brutality etc. are we actually seeing simply boredom, from the lockdown? Plus the looting, as USA I believe didn't put in place a furlough scheme? so a huge increase in unemployment, chance to score a new TV.....

 

[bfc1001]

Clearly the need to protest about something happening thousands of miles away, overrides the need to stay away from crowds.

Let's be honest fluff , we are screwed . Those 38k deaths will soon turn into 200k plus .

 

[bfc1001]

Setting aside the racial aspects, brutality etc. are we actually seeing simply boredom, from the lockdown? Plus the looting, as USA I believe didn't put in place a furlough scheme? so a huge increase in unemployment, chance to score a new TV.....

The US government could have looked after those people but chose not to . People are angry , doesn't take much to light the fuse .

 

[Jake84]

Fluff has a point and am actually surprised Europe hasn’t seen yet riots similar to the US. All we need is the spark.

 

[Fluff]

Let's be honest fluff , we are screwed . Those 38k deaths will soon turn into 200k plus .

I take a slightly less pessimistic view, but also you could be correct. Really only the excess deaths from all countries are going to tell the true picture. I'm going out, shopping etc, but I'm not planning a massive party, nor a footy match, and protesting about internal issues 1000's of miles away is not on my to-do list. That said the video looks pretty damning, they had 4 guys on him and well under control, a little easing of that knee would not have been a problem.

 

[Fluff]

Fluff has a point and am actually surprised Europe hasn’t seen yet riots similar to the US. All we need is the spark.

There is enough general tension in UK, still a lot of black kids killed- mostly by other black kids, in London mostly. We really don't need this to kick off trouble over here. Furlough pay is being reduced, so companies are going to have to decide if they will keep people on, first to go will be low paid retail, food service etc, guess what racial groups this impacts more than average......

 

[Marat]

Sorry but you just try to undermine roots of protest, no they do not protest because they are borred, but because one human was brutally murdered by police. AGAIN.

 

[Fluff]

Sorry but you just try to undermine roots of protest, no they do not protest because they are borred, but because one human was brutally murdered by police. AGAIN.

General protest I'm fine with, but setting fire to buildings is a good way to kill innocent people. I was more talking about the looting, i.e. bored people jumping on the protest bandwagon, for their own $$ gains.

And whilst I can understand protests in Minnesota, I cant really see a reason to protest/attack your own police in another city, perhaps where they don't have a record of black people dying in custody.....

 

[Marat]

You think that police brutality in USA is fact only in Minnesota? Maybe answer on that question would help you to understood reasons for attack on police in other US states.

 

[bfc1001]

I take a slightly less pessimistic view, but also you could be correct. Really only the excess deaths from all countries are going to tell the true picture. I'm going out, shopping etc, but I'm not planning a massive party, nor a footy match, and protesting about internal issues 1000's of miles away is not on my to-do list. That said the video looks pretty damning, they had 4 guys on him and well under control, a little easing of that knee would not have been a problem.

From what I've heard the officer involved had a litany of bad behaviour on his record but was never dismissed and the inevitable happened . More worrying is the three other officers could have intervened but chose not to and looked in the other direction . A more systemic issue with some sections of American law enforcement I'd say .

 

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[Ivan le Fou]

The current "protests" are not protests, they are riots.

And they have nothing to do George Floyd, not anymore at least. The death of Mister Floyd has turned into a pretext.

For the first time, at least as far as I can recall, everybody was united behind Floyd. Cops, politicians, the Media, etc... But now it is getting politicized.
Minnesotta's officials claiming the "protests" are lead by white suppremacists, Reza Aslan echoing that sentiment, a lot of people from the left side of the spectrum (celebrities, influent people, relative of political figures) are encouraging violence, etc...

 

[Marat]

Floyd wasn't armed, wasn't violent ......

 

[Fluff]

You think that police brutality in USA is fact only in Minnesota? Maybe answer on that question would help you to understood reasons for attack on police in other US states.

I think police brutality can happen in any country, including my own. I stand on the view that attacking your local police, because the police - or one officer in another city- killed a man either deliberately or accidentally is simply not logical. Just as the logic of protesting it in the UK, but relating it to the USA is also not logical, no-one in USA will give a damn. Again I don't want UK police or people hurt due to a F**k up in USA. Generally UK police work well, and still are mostly not armed.

 

[Fluff]

Floyd wasn't armed, wasn't violent ......

Agreed, I also doubt the officer either wanted or expected to kill him, just to show him who was 'in control'. Also probably why the other cops didn't directly intervene, probably seen it happen before, a little 'roughing up', no harm done...….

 

[Fluff]

From what I've heard the officer involved had a litany of bad behaviour on his record but was never dismissed and the inevitable happened . More worrying is the three other officers could have intervened but chose not to and looked in the other direction . A more systemic issue with some sections of American law enforcement I'd say .

Those other officers need to worry about (in the UK called) 'group enterprise' they could all be charged with murder/manslaughter.

 

[Marat]

I think police brutality can happen in any country, including my own. I stand on the view that attacking your local police, because the police - or one officer in another city- killed a man either deliberately or accidentally is simply not logical. Just as the logic of protesting it in the UK, but relating it to the USA is also not logical, no-one in USA will give a damn. Again I don't want UK police or people hurt due to a F**k up in USA. Generally UK police work well, and still are mostly not armed.

It could happen and it does happen in all countries , but scale of Police brutality in USA is above all other "civilised countries jointly.

EDIT: British police is right example that you do not have to kill in order to have peace on streets. All respect to them.

 

[bfc1001]

It could happen and it does happen in all countries , but scale of Police brutality in USA is above all other "civilised countries jointly.

EDIT: British police is right example that you do not have to kill in order to have peace on streets. All respect to them.

5% of the world's population but 25% of the world's incarcerated . " Land of the free" may be pushing honesty a little too far . I would say UK police have had their moments in the past , especially during the 80s though the poll tax riots brought that particular paramilitary behaviour to a close .