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Funny, isn't it. The most progressive, tolerant, and diversity-loving area is the kindling spot for this latest round.
Politics BLM protests across the US
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Interesting element provided by the St Paul Mayor, Melvin Carter III: a lot/most people causing troubles are not from Minneapolis and/or the state.
And, again, what is surprising is that everybody is on that same line: the current protests have nothing to do the George Floyd's death, the current protests are organized by people seeking to destroy, etc... and they are not pointing finger (yet at least) at any political side.
And, again, what is surprising is that everybody is on that same line: the current protests have nothing to do the George Floyd's death, the current protests are organized by people seeking to destroy, etc... and they are not pointing finger (yet at least) at any political side.
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I colud be wrong because i am not very interested in internal US politics (unless it affect my country). Though me think these events are something deeper then just outrage at murder of this poor guy or desire to rob liquor stores and fire a cars. Seems society (or at least some significant part of it) can't tolerate this over repressive legal and law enforcement system anymore. It's just ridiculous how such exceptional democratic country and self-appointed leader of the world is much more repressive then most of the "autocratic regimes" and "dictatorships".
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Remember that incident a while back where that cop gunned down an innocent man in a hotel even though the victim had already surrendered and was begging for his life? How come there weren't any riots in the streets in the wake of his murder? Why, silly me: the victim was white.
As far as I can tell, the numbers don't show a discrepancy between police brutality and the prevalence of crime in a community. In other words, African-Americans don't fall victim to police brutality more often than members of other demographics; their demographic merely produces more crime suspects thus more encounters with the police.
Those riots aren't going to achieve anything since the actual elephant in the room isn't even addressed: the factors nourishing police brutality.
Once again they're hunting the chimera of widespread "structural racism" even though they ought to be talking about training instead – especially de-escalation training –, and about other factors like exhaustion. Another productive suggestion might be a system of (geographic) rotation to ensure cops don't become desensitised by only ever seeing the same people in the streets…
Nevermind.
But more importantly – just because someone's offended or outraged doesn't mean they're right. This is especially true if you consider how vigorously America's left has been instrumentalising that cop's despicable behaviour.
As far as I can tell, the numbers don't show a discrepancy between police brutality and the prevalence of crime in a community. In other words, African-Americans don't fall victim to police brutality more often than members of other demographics; their demographic merely produces more crime suspects thus more encounters with the police.
Those riots aren't going to achieve anything since the actual elephant in the room isn't even addressed: the factors nourishing police brutality.
Once again they're hunting the chimera of widespread "structural racism" even though they ought to be talking about training instead – especially de-escalation training –, and about other factors like exhaustion. Another productive suggestion might be a system of (geographic) rotation to ensure cops don't become desensitised by only ever seeing the same people in the streets…
Nevermind.
You're being quite unfair here, mate. Police brutality exists in all countries, including in yours (we had best not go there; we could end up stuck in a boring discussion where all that happens is that you try to discredit sources posted by me documenting Russian police brutality).
But more importantly – just because someone's offended or outraged doesn't mean they're right. This is especially true if you consider how vigorously America's left has been instrumentalising that cop's despicable behaviour.
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I did not say about police brutality itself but entire legal system. Such amount of people jailed for incredible long terms, militarisation of police, unequal justice and so on. Sure i am not expert in US poltics, though it is damn hard to downplay events of such scale to just police brutality because of insufficient trainings etc.
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True. Sad most of our members from US (and some other western countries) did not remember that when they approved brutal killings of military and law enforcement personell in US-supported riots in certain "non-democratic" countries in the last decades.
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The prison population of the US being a topic for another day, I'm not sure it contributed to these events anyway. It's a metric distorted by the American practice of sentencing minor offenders to a few days in prison as a "warning shot", which is not often done in other countries for cost reasons. So, they have a large prison population on any given day but many don't actually stay behind bars for long.
The fact they sometimes dish out sentences amounting to thousands of years can hardly be significant. Most countries know a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
I can't see the "militarisation of [the] police" as a relevant factor at all; it's a byproduct of law enforcement agencies trying to cope with the threat of terrorist attacks and killing sprees, and a phenomenon observable in many countries without such fallout.
As for your suggestion that America's judiciary fails to dispense justice, I've yet to see any proof for such bold a claim that would stand the test of objectivity.
For example, the left always insists that African-Americans are unjustly overrepresented in prisons but this observation amounts to nothing by itself. Most prisoners in the USA are males, for example; does that mean America's legal system discriminates against men? Of course not.
In short, training deficiencies and exhaustion *do* explain occurences police brutality – they're generally understood to be the leading factors, particularly in the US where policing falls under municipial authority, so every town and city maintains its own police department. But since not all states demand certain requirements be met, some departments invest with full authority officers who've received merely a few months of training.
And the insistence of parts of the political spectrum to use demographic minorities to their own ends invites a abuse of the public's outrage.
What occurs in Minneapolis and elsewhere right now is caused by the outrageous images in the news as much as by politicians and journalists offering easy explanations for what those images (allegedly) signify.
Anyway, I'd recommend looking at the French banlieues where pretty much the same development has been taking place.
As a matter of fact, if memory serves me right Russia has (or at least had) similiar problems with Russians of an Asian extraction who also say they're unjustly being targeted by the state, the only difference being there's no political party in Russia to convert their concerns into tangible reward.
So you're using this thread to muster a tit-for-tat then?
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That's because formal imperialism only changed to informal imperialism after 1945. The racist assumptions and attitudes buttressing said imperialism didn't change one iota, at least not within the ruling class of "the west". The greatest trick the western empire ever played was selling its imperialist aggression as humanitarian interventions and R2P, the political left just laps it up, especially since 2003.
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protestors want #LouisVuitton more than george floyd!?
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Don't forget the pushbike!!!
I'm gonna call Richie so he has time to fire up the wood chipper.
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My point was it is some much deeper and wider problem behind these riots, not just police brutality itself.
What?
Just fascinated how these double-thinking is lived in minds of mostly reasonable and wise persons.
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I'm a talkative, strident person. I'll debate left-wingers, I'll debate right-wingers, I'll debate with anyone who's up for a genuine back and forth.
But after his comment, I don't think I want to debate with Fred333.
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Charlotte Police: 70% Of Rioters Arrested Are Out Of State "Instigators"
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police spokesman Todd Walther told CNN's Erin Burnett Thursday night that 70% of those arrested in race riots in that city this week were not locals. "This is not Charlotte that's out here," he said. "These are outside entities that are coming in and...
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Busing rioters in?
Hum... that almost reminds me of something.
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