Politics BLM protests across the US

[Telmar]

This is a shitshow of the highest order, and now the police is confusing Black store owners for looters, from BBC:

Blacks shot in Louisville with the police body cameras off, this...I can' t feel tensions easing.

 

[IDF_TANKER]

OK, I have a question. Perhaps I missed it, but is there any sort of evidence supporting the accusation, that this incident was racially motivated? I mean, as opposed to a policeman using a very problematic tactic to control a suspect, which accidentally resulted in disaster?

 

[Chazman]

Against who though?

The killers. Plenty of video of the incident.

 

[Jake84]

I think these pictures without context of cops supposedly « looting » are a bit unfair, AND.

This is a topic with the potential to get quite heated like these riots so it would be nice we all keep a cool head without baiting other members (Americans particularly) with blatant propaganda.

YES. I’m one who think the police has some bad apples and I also believe, speaking only for my country that the refusal of the police authority to admit it bug me a bit.

That said, misinformation and propaganda are not helping to keep the topic on track...

 

[McWarpig]

More than the gear, I think it's the "warrior" mindset that is worrisome. It's probably shaped by bad experiences through decades of policing in the US and that evolved into the aggressiveness that one sees today. Multiple vids with cops going aggro by simply being questioned on what they are doing etc. I get it that one too many cops died in the line of service... but that is the job. At some point you have to draw the line if you are going to see the community and the individuals in it as something that is to be protected, or they are all potential cop killers.

Once you start seeing everyone as potential shooter, then you kind of lose your contact with the community. Trust begets trust and if that breaks down then the community gets the us versus them pov. Departments covering their own does not help them at all.

I guess its kind of harder to fix it in the US given the de centralized PD's. So one can have multiple experiences depending on where you live.

Keep in mind the vids of cops going “agro” are actually few and far between. Don’t forget that videos of the every day interactions don’t see the light of day. Who wants to see me change a tire for someone? How exciting is a video of me greeting a homeless guy with a bag of McDonalds burgers when I get have to tell him to not panhandle there?
Im telling you that the “image” of police officers in the US is being manipulated. You remember that live PD episode where I buy a car seat for a kid instead of issuing a ticket to his single mom? Nope. Because it was non violent and boring.
I can’t describe how insensitive “ it’s part of the job” sounds right now. Having a code word for my wife and kids when I see a subject I’ve arrested in the store we are in so they know to get away from me and out of danger wasn’t part of the job. The risk of being executed for something another cop did, not part of the job.

I know I sound hyper defensive. I can’t really fault anyone for seeing this situation like you do from the outside.
The best thing I can tell you is that Police officers are not at fault for the state of community relations right now. We are definitely taking the blame. For sure we share responsibility for it though. I won’t tell you that there aren’t some pretty crappy cops out there. This isn’t what is driving the public image. There is an intentional focus on negativity toward police right now. Media/politics driven but fueled by our current culture.
Look to the stats on police involved shootings and custody deaths. The media continues to run with the narrative that black men are being targeted by police. Nothing factual to base that on.

 

[Chazman]

Pics with no context @AND are gratuitous and provide 0 information. I understand that after the support of the Ukrainian protesters that some are more than happy to show that police violence can happen in the USA as well, but let' s not forget that that violence is only made possible by the USA tolerating much more civil disobedience from the start. In Russia, China, Ukraine now and then, citizens can' t do ten percent of what is being done by some protesters in the states.

That being said, the pic with the police officer and the LBD gun across the man and the little girl on his shoulders is dispicable, there is noone to threaten here. I watched the Houston police chief on CNN and I don' t know how he is containing the situation in his city, but he seems to have his guys under a little more control. That does not mean that I approve of that moron going to protests that have the habit of going violent with a little girl. She should be at home watching cartoons.

Parallax. He's not pointing the riot gun at her.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

De Blasio ‘proud’ of daughter Chiara’s arrest during George Floyd protests

Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday commented on his daughter’s arrest during a Manhattan protest over the police-involved killing of George Floyd, saying that it was a “surprise” to him, but that he’s …

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[Telmar]

Parallax. He's not pointing the riot gun at her.

Still...Anyways she should' nt be there.

 

[Chazman]

Still...Anyways she should' nt be there.

Oh, no arguments there!

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Also, here is the original picture:



I'm desperately trying to find the post of the author, stating the anti-riot was never pointed at this man and his kid.

 

[Euroamerican]

So, another thought: Parent carrying a child right up into the front of multiple police holding anti-riot weapons should be charged with child abuse.

 

[Chazman]

So, another thought: Parent carrying a child right up into the front of multiple police holding anti-riot weapons should be charged with child abuse.

His parenting skills leave something to be desired. It's obvious he feels safe with the police, however. Poor AND, another propaganda failure.

 

[Euroamerican]

OK, I have a question. Perhaps I missed it, but is there any sort of evidence supporting the accusation, that this incident was racially motivated? I mean, as opposed to a policeman using a very problematic tactic to control a suspect, which accidentally resulted in disaster?

Three of the four police officers involved were, themselves, minorities. By affirmative action rules and the racial political themes currently held by especially the left, this means they are incapable of being racist.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

If you take part in a protest, during a very volatile period of time with violent riots and lootings on the side, you should expect bruises.

You should, also, NOT bring your kids there.

Also, Democratic leaders are remaining silent regarding the rioters and antifa.

 

[Chazman]

Three of the four police officers involved were, themselves, minorities. By affirmative action rules and the racial political themes currently held by especially the left, this means they are incapable of being racist.

One white, one black, one hispanic, one Vietnamese.

 

[droopy]

OK, I have a question. Perhaps I missed it, but is there any sort of evidence supporting the accusation, that this incident was racially motivated? I mean, as opposed to a policeman using a very problematic tactic to control a suspect, which accidentally resulted in disaster?

I am on the fence too about that.
As a non US citizen i am wondering this too. It could have been me with a knee on my back for seven minutes, would it have made the news that night ?
How is racism proven in a court of law ? except an obvious KKK killing or something like that.

 

[Euroamerican]

Well, modern theory these days is that whites are inherently, irrevocably, and fundamentally racist.

If accused, a white person is automatically guilty.

 

[Chazman]

The Wet Man-Baby President

Donald Trump is the worst president this nation has ever had.

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[Telmar]

Well, modern theory these days is that whites are inherently, irrevocably, and fundamentally racist.

If accused, a white person is automatically guilty.

The story in Georgia where those good old boys chased a black guy in a pick up truck with rifles did' nt help. Especially with the local police covering it mostly up. That got the Black community in the USA pumping these last weeks.

What I deeply feel sorry about is everyone playing the race card. I won' t play an angel here, I' m a little racist myself...just because of statistics...Yet I' m tired of Whites looking for Blacks who do wrong things, and Blacks trying to find a white person being racist..

Everyone at the beginning is simply a person and deserves his chance of being judged and treated fairly and humanly.

Spotted this video. That's from last year. For me it illustrates a lot of wrong: black guy is black and the white police officers are looking for a black dude. Apparently, the Black person who did nothing wrong plays with them and does' nt cooperate.

The vid says the guy' s FBI, he' s not after that vid was fact checked. He' s a medic. Yet he acted more like a black dude from the hood than a medic, and those police officers did not treat the person as they would have had a white guy with a suit and tie.

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[Fluff]

I am on the fence too about that.
As a non US citizen i am wondering this too. It could have been me with a knee on my back for seven minutes, would it have made the news that night ?
How is racism proven in a court of law ? except an obvious KKK killing or something like that.

I am not a lawyer!!

Probably 2 questions here, first was the restraint reasonable? Was he trained to restrain this way, what did the training say - did it say and hold here for 9 minutes? So none of this needs or has a racial element. If they have been trained to do it this way, a decent lawyer will get him off, and into the dock comes the Police Chief & training manager. I would be amazed if he was trained this way...….

Q2 - any history for the officer, if he has 5 warnings or complaints, all from or regarding black suspects, then there could be a racial element. If he has 100 complaints, but only 10 from Black suspects, different issue, i.e. generally wants to beat people up, not just black people. Still actionable, just not racist.

In UK you have to prove a different treatment, based on colour, sex etc.