Politics The 2020 American Presidential Election

[Telmar]

That question is unanswerable, it's so unspecific, vast and rethorical since you already answered.

I'll just say this:

Americans did elect Donald Trump in 2016 who was quite a different breed so someone with a non traditional agenda can be elected. But in 2020, an old half senile dude who spent his life in politics will take over because he lost the election (Trump lost much more than Biden won IMHO).

Perot got a significant share of the votes in 92, leading evidently to Bill Clinton's election by depleting HW Bush's votes.

Ralph Nader presented himself as well with a harder leftist leaning.

At one point, just like the Russians love the stability of having a guy like Putin as a leader for two decades, maybe the Americans in their majority find themselves attracted to a political scope in the center.

 

[Deleted member 11302]

At this point if you're still for Trump you're either a retard or an asshole. Hillary was really on to something with that basket of deplorables line but I always thought she was just talking about domestic numbnuts

What a week! Remember the Georgia phone call? Trump can't go two days without stepping in dog crap. Clean sweep Dems, House, Senate, and Oval. Not sure where you delusionals are at on the fraud story but pray for Sleepy Joe, he does well, we all do well, let's all get along.

I don't really know what it means to be "for Trump", I'm for his policies. Admittedly Trump had a bit of personality cult around him, but unlike the recent developments in the DNC with their radical leftist allies I see lots of conservatives and right wingers in general who don't feel a need to gargle a particular candidate's c*m.

I'm afraid you won't have much joy of Biden's presidency, given that his handlers won't let the decrepit old f#cker do much and will likely backstab him shortly to install Harris, which will do wonders for his perceived legitimacy (sarcasm). And then you'll have the first female President of colour who is not just unelected, but the appointee of an asterisked president whose legitmacy was in dispute for more than half the nation from the get-go. But hey, at least the coming years promise to be entertaining.

Edit: I forgot to say this, but thank you for constantly reminding us of the now old adage that the left can't meme for S**t?

 

[Telmar]

I don't really know what it means to be "for Trump", I'm for his policies. Admittedly Trump had a bit of personality cult around him, but unlike the recent developments in the DNC with their radical leftist allies I see lots of conservatives and right wingers in general who don't feel a need to gargle a particular candidate's c*m.

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The dems are using the opportunity given to them to recenter actually. They have a big opportunity and maybe, just maybe, they won´t blow it.

It’s fair to say that the party’s progressive base has its hackles raised right now, the more vocal of whom are annoyed that Biden’s top picks haven’t included a high-profile representative from among their own ranks.

Left-wing Democrats are getting frustrated with Biden already

‘They will still allow Bernie to be the champion for things, but yet someone else can’t who is his same age? That bothers me’

www.independent.co.uk

Personality cults, like Obama´s or Trump´s are disastrous. Obama and Trump used it to the core, and it makes people accept things they should´nt. At least Biden has no chance of ever benefitting from one.

 

[Fluff]

 

[Fluff]

I think only westerners are obsessed with treating every country and every government as a nail, that requires democratic hammering.
All we're trying to do, is to point at the inconsistencies/hypocrisy that often highlights the divergence between what you say and what you do in practice.
The east never argued for the supremacy of democratic systems, maybe because democracy didn't work out all that well for them, and is still putting the pain on new terminal patients like Libya, that has been stuck in democracy for the past 10 years and doesn't know how to get out of it.

The only ones festively dancing around the room and sprinkling everyone with democratic supremacy was and still (weirdly enough) is the west. Somehow it still continues to do so, even after witnessing the failure and shortcomings back in their own respective communities.
Russia and China don't pretend to be the righteous heroic spreaders of democracy, and maintain a functional image of democracy for as far as it is necessary to sustain their ability to continue dialogue with the democratic fanatics in the west. But nevertheless understand the primacy of a more realistic, functional approach to government, wherein ensuring integrity, security and stability are a fundamental concern, regardless of what western fanaticism has to say about it.

No, many countries have fought and died to become democratic, Poland, CheckSlovakia, Hungary, etc, basically the list of countries that ended up under Russian control after the war, you should be familiar with these facts. People want democracy because it prevents the outright abuse of power most of the time. Not perfect, not always pretty, but overall once the public smell a rat, they can be removed.

Now if you talk about the Arab lands, etc, clearly the old tribal loyalty seems to apply, and there have been some silly attempts such as Libya.

China doesnt make any attempt to portray an element of democracy. Russia does, I give you this point. And at last you admit, its simply an advertising slogan, to allow Russia access to the playground.

No we wont be adopting the Russian style. If it works for Russia thats great, but please dont claim it should be adopted elsewhere, really, no-one is buying fake democracy this decade.

 

[DTA]

 

[Telmar]

....CheckSlovakia, ....

AAAAAaaahhh! I know it´s a mouthful mate, but it´s Czechoslovakia!

 

[Fluff]

AAAAAaaahhh! I know it´s a mouthful mate, but it´s Czechoslovakia!

Please take it up with Bill Gates......

 

[Ivan le Fou]

That question is unanswerable, it's so unspecific, vast and rethorical since you already answered.

Oh there are very big differences, and some more nuanced than others. It is, as a matter of fact, a very answerable question.

You claimed to "know your history", didn't you?

 

[BCNTM]

If you are talking about Putin, he is an elected president actually, not a dictator.

110% of the electorate cannot be wrong

 

[BCNTM]

No we wont be adopting the Russian style. If it works for Russia thats great, but please dont claim it should be adopted elsewhere, really, no-one is buying fake democracy this decade.

It has worked for a very few Russians who are now ultra rich - just keep distributing the hand gel vodka to keep the rest in servitude

 

[riderboy]

He might be a moron - you probably have more information, than I do. But since you seem to be an avid Trump supporter I'm not sure what you are saying... Do you like the man just a little bit or a lot?

Trump? It’s love/hate. He’s an effective get it done man who keeps his promises. He’s shown the “professionals” in both parties to be inept clowns whose sole concern is not in solving problems, but keeping them alive for campaign issues and their main concern: re-election. He’s a liberal Democrat turned Republican Constitutionalist who clearly defines his platform and goals. And he’s a tough fighter for those goals, incredibly tough. I hate his childish rants and lack of political skills, not that political skill is anything in and of itself, Biden is quite skillful politically and is a complete disaster.

 

[1645556315]

110% of the electorate cannot be wrong

It's funny how lame jokes about Russian elections became true in US voting.

 

[Patriot Perry]

I don't really know what it means to be "for Trump", I'm for his policies. Admittedly Trump had a bit of personality cult around him, but unlike the recent developments in the DNC with their radical leftist allies I see lots of conservatives and right wingers in general who don't feel a need to gargle a particular candidate's c*m.

I'm afraid you won't have much joy of Biden's presidency, given that his handlers won't let the decrepit old f#cker do much and will likely backstab him shortly to install Harris, which will do wonders for his perceived legitimacy (sarcasm). And then you'll have the first female President of colour who is not just unelected, but the appointee of an asterisked president whose legitmacy was in dispute for more than half the nation from the get-go. But hey, at least the coming years promise to be entertaining.

Edit: I forgot to say this, but thank you for constantly reminding us of the now old adage that the left can't meme for S**t?

You're a pretty sharp guy. When I said retards, assholes and numbnuts you totally knew who I was talking about. lmao at the meme comment. Memes, music, movies, all the good stuff comes from the left. (Clint Eastwood aside I love Clint) Not sure if Jon Voight does a podcast but if he does you would totally enjoy it.

 

[Deleted member 11302]

You're a pretty sharp guy. When I said retards, assholes and numbnuts you totally knew who I was talking about. lmao at the meme comment. Memes, music, movies, all the good stuff comes from the left. (Clint Eastwood aside I love Clint) Not sure if Jon Voight does a podcast but if he does you would totally enjoy it.

Oooh ouch, let me hazard a guess here, you were the president of your highschool's debate club, amirite? I mean the sheer overwhelming amount of compelling arguments you've brought forth here leaves me flabbergasted. You got one thing right, though, I am an asshole and I'm totally into anilingus from liberal bimbos, that's why I'm so on to you, sweetheart.

Edit: Hey Patriot Parrot, If you don't have the stones to utter your insults directly at the person you're talking to and have to resort to insinuation, don't act suprised that others don't share in your cowardice.

 

[primer]

Still fixing all the ex soviet countries. No more vacancies at the moment.

 

[Yevgeny]

110% of the electorate cannot be wrong

He got 60% actually. And I did explain how he managed to do that.

It has worked for a very few Russians who are now ultra rich - just keep distributing the hand gel vodka to keep the rest in servitude

And your point is? Most of the Third World countries are actually democratic - India, Indonesia, Nigeria etc etc. And believe me Russia is doing much better than all of them. Democracy doesnt make you rich.

 

[BCNTM]

60% actually. And I did explain how he managed to do that.

And your point is? Most of the Third World countries are actually democratic - India, Indonesia, Nigeria etc etc. And believe me Russia is doing much better than all of them. Democracy doesnt make you rich.

I thought it was 76.69% - so 3 in every 4 voters in the Russian election

At least the Americans made it look like a contest 51% to 47% - but I still don't know where Joe found 81m people to vote for him

Dicktatorship in Ruskia does make some people rich

 

[Ivan le Fou]

 

[Yevgeny]

I thought it was 76.69% - so 3 in every 4 voters in the Russian election

Yes it was 76% last time. My bad. He got 63% in 2012 though. But as I said the vote count is not the problem. The reason for such results is Kremlins control over oil revenues and main TV channels which allows them to promote conservative agenda.

At least the Americans made it look like a contest 51% to 47% - but I still don't know where Joe found 81m people to vote for him

But whats the difference? No matter who Americans vote for their President is still going to be free market globalist in economy and democracy expantionist in foreign policy. So what is the choice?

Dicktatorship in Ruskia does make some people rich

Conservative democracy.