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[Ivan le Fou]

I respectfuly disagree. I might not have a study or something like that to back it up. But i think in the USA is one of, if not the most mentally unstable society out there.

I would have gone with Russia, though it may very well be the US, or any country with huge drug issues.

The US seems plausible to some extent, considering how easily children were medicated for having ADHD or whatever.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

I would have gone with Russia, though it may very well be the US, or any country with huge drug issues.

The US seems plausible to some extent, considering how easily children were medicated for having ADHD or whatever.

What's interesting was that it was not always like this.

Something has happened in America these past 40 years.

Back in the day, teenagers would bring their rifles and shotguns to school and there was hardly any mass shootings in comparison to today. There was a sense of ease, even when there were problems and divisions.

Now, everything has to be panicked over, every sharp corner has to be padded, every problem medicated, and every opposite opinion has to be purged.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

Except violent video games, i agree, it is a mix of factors.

I respectfuly disagree. I might not have a study or something like that to back it up. But i think in the USA is one of, if not the most mentally unstable society out there.
I can give you an example, the term "suicide by cop", i was trying to explain that to a bunch of people here in my country. And they could not understand the concept, it has never happened here, ever. Nor did mass stabbings or shootings and mass killers(like Ted Bundy) i think we had about 2 or 3 of them in the last 70 years or so.
A few months ago a mentally ill patient killed about 7 people in his asylum ward with bare hands and a stick he made out of an IV holder, though.

Sure there are suicides, a lot of car accidents(the highest number in EU ), people drink too much in some areas, the occasional drug overdose or LEO getting killed by a crimminal. But compared to New York (since the '70s to this day) Romania(and Romania has almost the population of metropolitan New York.) is a quiet, peaceful, dull place, like most of Europe.

One point I found interesting with regards Romania is the number of LEO types who commit suicide by their service weapon, there seems to be a glitch with regards the type of psych evaluation used in assessment. Also the number of young people who take their lives because of failed relationships or bad exam results.

 

[NZM305]

One point I found interesting with regards Romania is the number of LEO types who commit suicide by their service weapon, there seems to be a glitch with regards the type of psych evaluation used in assessment. Also the number of young people who take their lives because of failed relationships or bad exam results.

Considering the amount of "negative human behaviours" LEO's probably experience vs what regular people experience i guess that stat doesnt suprise me much. As for the failed relationships or bad exam results, yeah i can understand that too. It seems humans struggle to find good coping mechanisims for what we perceive as failure.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

Considering the amount of "negative human behaviours" LEO's probably experience vs what regular people experience i guess that stat doesnt suprise me much. As for the failed relationships or bad exam results, yeah i can understand that too. It seems humans struggle to find good coping mechanisims for what we perceive as failure.

Some of those are not typical beat cops but belong to special units, some on guard duty at various posts or establishments, however, few rarely draw their weapon and use it against the foe, so hardly PTSD, some have relatively few years service, there is no apparent in depth inquiry made or made public, bullying, blackmail, emotional problems etc..etc.. could be part of the cause.

 

[primer]

So they got 56,346 firearms in......... but i wonder how many more firearms got brought in to replace them?

Going to be pretty easy to figure out after customs do that sum for the year . However 52,000 were imported in 2019.

.....The proverbail finger in the lake of water policy.

 

[droopy]

Something has happened in America these past 40 years.

As did in most parts of the world, things improved a bit each year.
Technology and medicine evolved and more and more people got access to them, higher living standards evolved. Compare my country or China to what it was in 1999 or 1989 and you will see a HUGE improvement in living standards for most people, especially in urban areas.

Compared to 20 years ago, IMHO, people dream less, they look to the future with dread not with hope and expectations, they lost the ability to play games, to socialize, to have fun or to derive pleasure from simple things like a game, family time or watching a movie.
Technology and social media make us more and more sad and depressed, but that is because most of the people use it wrong. They obsess over other people lives on Instagram, Facebook or Tweeter, instead of focusing on how that technology could make their everyday life happyer by playing a fun game, watching a movie, browsing a forum, discussing an idea that is not politics, hate or violence.

 

[Newtonk]

Regarding the New Zealand gun buyback, it is already being questioned as to how successful it really was, https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12297360. The salient point being: The fact is that [Deputy Police Commissioner] Mike Clement cited estimates at the start that put the number of now-banned firearms between 56,000 and 173,000, while other police estimates were of 240,000, a figure not disputed by Clement, though he added that the true number was simply unknown.

15 037 MSSA firearms handed in out of an unknown total... making New Zealand safer how? You can stand on any street in New Zealand and you’re ten times more likely to be hit by a drunk driver than shoot. Our suicide rate is currently one Christchurch every month, month on month. But banning guns makes everyone feel good about themselves, affects only a small number of people, and is easily implemented. Good on ya, Labour. Gets my vote. And we want to decriminalise cannabis. God help us all.

 

[Fluff]

Mmmmm . . . . . not so sure you can write it off as easily as that.

Given the recipe of there being more social alienated people (or those who thing society is out to get them, keep them down) many high school drop outs, unemployed, mommy's basement living son's, drug addicts, petty criminals, addicted violent game players, and an apparent easy access to weapons on the black market, theft, or legitimately owned, the willingness to use violence, rather than dialogue in very simple situations where they are not getting their way, the amount of "normal" people who attend psychiatrists or psychologists offices for help with even the most mundane aspects of life, would hint at some sort of emotional mental issues, this appears to have been creeping into society in the USA since the 1960's.

Every country probably has it to some such degree, but its not yet as evident as whats seen in the USA, dont get me wrong my opinion is based on what has been reported in the papers, and in the last two decades via the net, my own step-daughter is married and living close to Chicago for the last 3 and half years.

More a question for an American member, but in Europe healthcare including mental and drug related is provided free- how does this work in USA, assuming the person has no job?

also of course in uk the nutter will try to push you under a tube train, in us he borrows his brothers m4 and 30 round mags and has at it. End result is a very different body count.

 

[TheKiwi]

Push you under a tube train. Or plant explosives at a concert. Or go on a stabbing run through London. Or borrow a van.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

but in Europe healthcare including mental and drug related is provided free-

Nope, here in Romania, the free care you allude too is basically non-existent, unless your family can pay for the treatment/medication used, then nothing will be done for you, the hospitals main course is to get you out asap with basic minimum of care, unless you are willing to pay for it.
They have even lost mental patients here, some simply waked out the gate and their bodies found in country areas miles from the clinic. One even went to the nearby railway line to play tag with a train (they lost.)
The only other option is to go private, but, if you dont have the cash forget about it.

 

[droopy]

I don't think a looney bin is fun or civilized anywhere on this planet for free. Maybe those clinics in the Swiss Alps where Hollywood stars recover but for the rest of us mortals, a mental hospital might be worse than prison.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Bloomberg on Texas Church Shooting: Only Cops should have guns and decide when to shoot

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What a garbage human being, also his personal army are ex-NYPD, go figure.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

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So that's why the VA GOP performed so badly in the election, they backstab their own.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Some good news:

VB Council passes resolution supporting 2nd Amendment rights, 7 months after mass shooting

VB Council passes resolution supporting 2nd Amendment rights, 7 months after mass shooting

Virginia Beach City Council is scheduled to meet Monday night to discuss a resolution that would declare the city a “Second Amendment Constitutional City.”

www.wavy.com

 

[Fluff]

I don't think a looney bin is fun or civilized anywhere on this planet for free. Maybe those clinics in the Swiss Alps where Hollywood stars recover but for the rest of us mortals, a mental hospital might be worse than prison.

I don’t know, my mother worked in one, it seemed a safe place for the residents, and took them off the streets. Now most are closed, and they live mostly alone in a bedsit. Is this better?

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Northam Defends Proposed Gun Laws In Address To Lawmakers

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam addressed the state’s legislators in the annual State of the Commonwealth speech Wednesday evening, using his remarks to defend his gun control agenda and to swipe at Second Amendment Sanctuary supporters.

Northam Defends Proposed Gun Laws In Address To Lawmakers

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam addressed the state’s legislators in the annual State of the Common

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But it gets worse:

VA Dems Introduce New Gun And Ammo Bans As Session Begins

Virginia Democrats have introduced a revised ban on so-called “assault weapons” that requires existing gun owners to register their firearms with the state, and also bans outright the possession of magazines that can hold more than ten rounds as well as a ban on suppressors and “trigger activators”.

VA Dems Introduce New Gun And Ammo Bans As Session Begins

Virginia Democrats have introduced a revised ban on so-called “assault weapons” that requires exist

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Virginia Senator Says He Wishes He’d Smeared Gun Owners Publicly, Rather Than on a Hot Mic

Marsden admits he was annoyed that some gun rights supporters at the budget hearings spoke out of turn when they heard the repeated, anguished pleas for more gun control—infringements that would turn the law-abiding into felons.

On the air, Marsden denied using the term “gun nuts” while chatting with House Speaker Filler-Corn, saying that his actual worlds were “this is nuts”—but adding this postscript for the radio listeners: “these folks are acting like children”.

Asked in a follow-up if the Senator regretted using disparaging language—not only earlier in the week—but again right there on the radio, Marsden doubled down.

“In retrospect”, Marsden told the WMAL audience, “what I should have done at some point was just to address the group about their poor, childish behavior at this event. I regret that you get picked up on a mic. I should have said it to them directly”.

Sen. Marsden also refused to back away from recent written comments to some constituents suggesting that he regards agitated Second Amendment supporters as being mentally unbalanced or mentally unstable.

Virginia Senator Says He Wishes He'd Smeared Gun Owners Publicly, Rather Than on a Hot Mic - The Truth About Guns

By Jeff Hulbert Virginia State Senator David Marsden wants you know he is filled with regret after his most recent “listening session” with Second Amendment activists. Marsden was caught on an open microphone at a hearing this past week disparaging gun rights supporters as childish, and even...

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[primer]

Dear SSANZ members,
Our thanks to three members who have offered to assist the committee. Don’t be shy we need help from people with professional skill and we don’t have the funds to pay for those services. We are all volunteers here who give up our time because we are passionate about preserving shootings sports and firearm ownership. So please get in touch if you have skills that will help promote SSANZ to all those LFOs who are not as well informed as you.

Please join our Protest in Whangarei on 8 February between 10.00am and 12 Noon, at Mander Park off SH 1.

We are unable to verify the following story, but if true it is totally unacceptable behaviour by NZ police.

A shooter was just raided at dinner time this evening by TWELVE armed police.
They were there for...

A LEVER ACTION .22 RIFLE.

They confirmed that the only reason they knew the family had it was because the gentleman in question put a picture of it in his submission to Parliament.

To be clear, Im not leaving anything out.

There was no other incident of any kind.

This gentleman is the single most measured voice in New Zealand's conservative movement.

That made him a target.

If he still HAD the rifle - he doesn't - then he would have gone to prison for YEARS.

YEARS.

This man had to watch his baby - only weeks old - his wife and his other small children feel unsafe in their home.

As it was searched by twelve thugs.

Because of a bunny gun that he had once owned LEGALLY and used as an example for parliament during the law making process.

Demonstrating his intent to STAY lawful.

Meanwhile we cant get our useless cops to act on gang members posing with stolen guns on Facebook.

To anyone who has suggested that the Kiwi Gun Blog is anti police - we f***ing are now.

#NotmyPolice.

AGAIN; THIS IS A CASE OF A DOZEN ARMED COPS RAIDING A MAN WHO THEY KNOW WILL BE LEFT WITH GUNS AND A FIREARM LICENSE.

BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER A THREAT.

So the cops got a warrant to search for a legal gun.

Because it MAY now be illegal.

Despite the user's obviously lawful intent.

Do you like THAT precedent?

So if you ever HAD a .22 with a big mag - legally - you could be raided tonight.

A picture showing you being lawful that was taken a decade ago gets you raided NOW.

What has become of this nation?

I warned of the cooling effect of police being left to decide what was an 'extreme' political view.

250,000 licensed shooters - one in ten voters - afraid to comment on social media if they want to keep their gun license.

Now - Police want us afraid to speak to our lawmakers.

Tonight's raid was a political action. A targeting of a citizen for 'wrongthink'.

What does that make our already highly politicized police?

I used a photo of a Luger pistol in my submission on SOP 408, I hope they don’t come looking for that because I have never owned one.

All the best,

Phil

SSANZ Sec.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

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[riderboy]

@IDF_TANKER

The 24-hour news cycle rewards simplistic messages and slapdash actions, that's for sure. Drafting a couple of gun control laws or pulling stunts like arming teachers doesn't cost much time or money. From a political point of view, it's endlessly more efficient to pursue this kind of actionism than actually investigate the underlying problem.

@droopy

Mental illness isn't more prevalent in America than in other developed nation. The point being, the sheer number of attacks can't be explained through that angle.

I don't know. What I do know is that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. That should suffice until we untangle the psycho/socio/pathos/cultural/whacked out, jacked up, evil, gutless, nutless, spineless miscreants who think it's OK to shoot other people.