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[riderboy]

More a question for an American member, but in Europe healthcare including mental and drug related is provided free- how does this work in USA, assuming the person has no job?

also of course in uk the nutter will try to push you under a tube train, in us he borrows his brothers m4 and 30 round mags and has at it. End result is a very different body count.

We do a terrible job with mental health here in the States. IMO. But that's nothing really new.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Highland County is the latest to become a Second Amendment Sanctuary

HARRISONBURG, Va. (WHSV) — Highland County has become the latest 2nd Amendment Sanctuary County in Virginia, with the Board of Supervisors voting to adopt their version of the resolution on January 8, 2020.

The decision follows more and more local governments across Virginia that have declared themselves "Second Amendment Sanctuaries."

According to the Associated Press, more than 100 Virginia cities, towns and counties have passed resolutions expressing their support for gun rights. That includes Augusta County, Rockingham County, Page County, and Shenandoah County, as well as the towns of Grottoes, Stanley, and Strasburg.

Highland County is the latest to become a Second Amendment Sanctuary

Highland County has become the latest 2nd Amendment Sanctuary County in Virginia, with the Board of Supervisors voting to adopt their version of the resolution on January 8, 2020.

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That's more than 60% of the population of Virginia now.

Helmer’s indoor shooting range bill could impact NRA’s Fairfax headquarters

Del. Dan Helmer, who represents parts of Prince William County, has introduced a bill to ban indoor gun ranges in buildings where more than 50 people work, a move that would likely affect the indoor gun range at National Rifle Association headquarters in Fairfax.

"Yes, this plan would affect the NRA, we also think it will save lives,” Helmer, D-40th, said about the bill in an email Tuesday.

Helmer, a West Point grad and U.S. Army veteran elected in 2019, said his bill, HB567, is aimed at keeping Virginia workplaces safe in the wake of numerous workplace mass shootings throughout the country, including a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach municipal building in May 2019 that killed 12.

“This bill would make sure that we don't have people bringing large quantities of firearms and ammunition into office buildings,” said Helmer aide Noah Bardash. “This bill would likely impact the NRA's indoor range.”

NRA spokesperson Catherine Mortensen said the organization opposes the measure because it would eliminate jobs and “destroy small businesses in Virginia without reducing crime.”

“In addition to generating about $18 million each year in revenues, the state’s ranges are the epicenter for vital safety training. This is where our law enforcement community comes to train alongside families and individuals seeking skills for home and self-defense,” Mortensen said.

Helmer’s indoor shooting range bill could impact NRA’s Fairfax headquarters

Del. Dan Helmer, who represents parts of Prince William County, has introduced a bill to ban indoor gun ranges in buildings where more than 50 people work, a move that

www.princewilliamtimes.com

Oh but it gets better, listen to his reasoning:

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Because someone had a negligent discharge.

Here's a good recap of the movement:

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[ao_sepia]

terrorist more murder robber

Murderous gold robber shoots staff, shoppers, young child

LOP BURI: A 500,000 baht reward is offered for the capture of a gold-shop robber who killed three people, including a young boy, and wounded four others at a department store complex in Muang district on Thursday night.

www.bangkokpost.com

 

[ao_sepia]

terrorist more murder robber

Murderous gold robber shoots staff, shoppers, young child

LOP BURI: A 500,000 baht reward is offered for the capture of a gold-shop robber who killed three people, including a young boy, and wounded four others at a department store complex in Muang district on Thursday night.

www.bangkokpost.com

 

[NebrHogger]

ao_sepia, is it legal for anyone to own handguns in Thailand?

 

[ao_sepia]

ao_sepia, is it legal for anyone to own handguns in Thailand?

silence tube is illegal in thai

 

[primer]

“A Police raid on the home of a young family represents a dangerous new phase of the Government’s gun law reforms and raises serious questions about how gun owners are being targeted”, according to ACT Leader David Seymour.

“According to a blog post, on Thursday, nearly a dozen armed police officers carried out a search warrant at the home of a young family having dinner. Officers were looking for a low-powered replica of an 1893 gun that is not even a semi-automatic. There was no cause for suspicion other than the fact that the person made a select committee submission.

“If the details are accurate, this is a deeply disturbing story and it raises serious questions.

“How did Police come to identify this person? Were his political views a factor? Was he identified by the fact that he made a submission on the new gun laws? If Police are politically targeting New Zealanders because they submitted to a select committee, the Police Minister’s position is untenable.

“Whatever happened to the Government’s goal of getting rid of semi-automatics? Police carried out this raid to search for a ‘bunny gun’ used to hunt rabbits. Why aren’t Police going after the gangs and criminals?

“ACT opposed the rushed Arms Amendment Act because we knew it would have unintended consequences. We’ve seen tens of thousands of guns go underground into the black market, a privacy breach, and now a dangerously misguided Police raid on a young family at dinner time over a bunny gun.

“This is why ACT consistently opposes giving more power to the government. Even if individual politicians mean well, the new powers are inevitably abused or have real-world consequences other than those that were intended.”

 

[Newtonk]

@primer, and it gets worse, https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cr...s-house-raided-over-suspected-illegal-firearm nothing was found here, either. Just a “far right activist” and a “suspected illegal firearm”. Is this where ‘1984’ merged with ‘Minority report’? The object the cops were looking for was an illegal magazine for a level action rifle. Sets a dangerous precedent. And, I note, the government is quiet on the next tranche of gun law changes, too. In an election year, I expect a lot of hubbub from a left leaning government making New Zealand safe and all that.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Funny how it's always about safety and security and then you have a squad of goons breaching your house looking for a .22 mag.

Speaking of government abuse, take a look at California:
Thousands of lawful California gun owners are being denied ammunition purchases. Here's why

Of the 345,547 ammunition background checks performed, only 101 stopped the buyer because he or she was a "prohibited person" who can't legally possess ammunition, according to state Department of Justice data.

Yet another 62,000 ammunition purchases were rejected as well. Those people left empty-handed because their personal information hadn't been entered into the state's system, or the information on their identification cards didn't match what officials had entered into the California gun registry database, which retail sellers must review when they do the ammunition background check.

The rejection numbers are detailed in court documents Attorney General Xavier Becerra's office filed in U.S. District Court in San Diego in response to a pending lawsuit that's seeking to overturn to the new gun laws. The suit was filed by the California Rifle & Pistol Association. The case's lead plaintiff is Kim Rhode, an Olympic shooter and National Rifle Association board member.

Becerra's office declined to comment, citing the ongoing litigation. But in court filings, the agency said the state's rejection rate declined from 19% in July to 15% in October, a downward trend the agency says will continue "as familiarity with the system among ammunition vendors and consumers increases." Becerra's office also noted that ammunition purchasers have had better luck on the second try. For instance, 44% of purchasers who had been rejected in July were able to buy ammunition by November.

"The restrictions are not going on criminals. It's not targeting criminal misuses. It's targeting otherwise law-abiding persons in the way that they can exercise their rights," said Daniel Reid, the western regional director for the National Rifle Association. "You're seeing a handful of denials for prohibited persons and all these other people are being denied for clerical errors or administrative type issues."

The rejections appear to have occurred because of errors and omissions in the Department of Justice's own gun registration database.

And how do the gun grabbers react when 1/5 legal gun owners are rejected due to a false positive?

Ari Freilich, an attorney with the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, likened it to a traveler having to go through security at an airport. He said the system is already working as intended. He pointed to the 101 people who were legally forbidden from possessing ammunition being prohibited from buying it. He argues an unknown number of other dangerous people likely didn't make the attempt, knowing they'd be caught breaking the law.

"Any one of those people, they were committing a serious crime trying to acquire a product designed to take human life," Freilich said. "And they were stopped from doing so in that moment."

Kevin de Leon, the former Democratic state Senate leader who championed the background check legislation, said the issues ammunition buyers are experiencing are easily fixable and shouldn't detract from the important work the background check system is doing to keep Californians safe.

"We can easily overcome this technical issue," said de Leon, who's currently running for a seat on the Los Angeles City Council. "To the NRA and others who don't believe that we should keep our communities safe from gunfire, I would say stop the hyperbole over a technical issue that's easily solvable and be part of the solution to reduce dramatically the numbers of needless killings that happen in our communities every single day."

Thousands of lawful California gun owners are being denied ammunition purchases. Here's why

SACRAMENTO, Calif. Zachary Berg usually buys guns and ammunition with relative ease. After all, he's a Sutter County sheriff's deputy and needs them for his

www.chicagotribune.com

Complete and utter contempt.

If doesn't matter if 60,000 people get denied their rights as long as 100 criminals are stopped. If you dare speak up about being denied for no reason but the state's crappy system, then you are hyperbolic gun nut who should shut up.

Thankfully, there are several ongoing lawsuits by the Firearm Policy Coalition.

I believe these laws were erected because of the following:

Report: California Saw Huge Increase in Gun Ownership Over Last Decade Despite Strict Gun Laws

What those data show is that, as of 2019, there are more than 2.5 million gun owners in California, compared to fewer than a million in 2008. That figure translates to about 8 percent of Californian adults owning guns, compared to 3.4 percent in 2008—a more than two-fold increase, even when adjusting for population.

It is likely that this figure actually undercounts the total number of gun owners in California. The APPS tracks ownership in large part on the basis of annual sales recorded in the California DROS database—full figures for which are only available dating to the 1990s—and does not necessarily include all private sales.

It is possible that the increase above reflects an increase in effectiveness of surveillance by the California DOJ, meaning that it may not reflect an increase in the real population of gun owners. However, there is reason to think otherwise: Data from the DROS database indicate a substantial increase in the total number of annual gun sales, tracking the trend in gun owners.

The overall increase in ownership is surprising for two reasons. Firstly, it shows a steady increase in gun ownership even as California is widely regarded to have some of the toughest gun laws in the nation. Laws prohibit ownership of essentially all "assault weapons," ban the sale of many popular handguns, require owners to take a written test to receive a license to purchase a gun, and permit police to deny a concealed carry permit at their discretion.


Secondly, the spike in California gun ownership runs counter to trends in gun ownership identified in national surveys. Data from Gallup show that the percentage of Americans who have a gun in their home has remained roughly flat over the past ten years—around 40 percent of Americans have a gun in their home. A smaller percentage, around 30 percent, identify themselves as gun owners.

Data from other, less frequently administered surveys show similar trends: An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll has consistently found between 40 and 50 percent of Americans have a gun in the home, while the General Social Survey indicates the proportion of gun owners actually decreased between 2008 and 2016.


These findings indicate the challenges of accurately measuring the number of gun owners in America. Since a national registry of guns is illegal under federal law and strongly opposed by many in the gun community, a perfect measure of gun ownership is impossible. California's data collection, while imperfect and likely incomplete, offers a relatively unique insight into gun ownership since it is more expansive than most states.


The California data measured against the national surveys show that while a smaller percentage of Californians own guns than the national average, the increase in ownership rates among Californians is far more pronounced than the nationwide trend.


It is unclear exactly why California has seen a large increase in gun ownership over the past decade but David Yamane, a professor of sociology at Wake Forest University who studies gun culture, told the Washington Free Beacon that while some of the increase is likely "artifactual," it's also likely the data undercounts gun ownership.


"The restrictive nature of gun laws and political culture of California, especially in the most populated areas, makes a low estimate realistic, but 8% is well below survey-based estimates of around 15% that I have seen," he said. "And I would take any survey-based estimate as a minimum so the gun ownership rate is probably even higher then these government numbers say. So, this makes the situation confounding because you have a dramatic increase in the known gun ownership rate and yet even at the end of that increase at probably still under estimates actual gun ownership in California."

Lara Smith, national vice president of the Liberal Gun Club and former president of the California chapter, said the increase is proof that California’s restrictive gun laws haven’t discouraged interest in gun ownership.

"I think this just goes along with an overall increase in gun ownership," she told the Free Beacon. "I think the restrictions may, in fact, be part of it. I think people have been concerned about losing their rights.

"I think it shows that if the state is using background checks to discourage interest in the shooting sports, it's not working."

Report: California Saw Huge Increase in Gun Ownership Over Last Decade Despite Strict Gun Laws

Despite some of the nation's toughest laws, the number of gun owners in California has more than doubled over the past ten years, according to new data.

freebeacon.com

Gun control isn’t stopping Californians from owning firearms, new study says

California may have some of the nation’s most restrictive gun control laws, from bans on assault rifle sales to mandatory background checks for ammunition sales, but that isn’t stopping Golden State residents from buying firearms.

A quarter of Californians live in a house with a gun, according to a new survey.

The survey, published by the peer-reviewed medical journal BMJ in the magazine “Injury Prevention,” also says that one in seven Californians, an estimated 4.2 million people, owns a firearm.

More than half (57 percent) of handgun owners said that it was for protection against people, while long gun owners said sport and hunting were the main reasons they owned that firearm, according to the survey.

“These findings may signal a shift in the underlying drivers of contemporary firearm ownership from participation in hunting and other recreational activities to a perceived need for self-protection, similar to patterns observed on a national level,” according to a statement from BMJ. “And [they] suggest that efforts aimed at reducing firearm death and injury may need to address self-protection as a primary driver of ownership, along with misconceptions about the benefits of having a firearm in the home.”

Read more here: https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article238113499.html#storylink=cpy

Pretty telling isn't it? They are pissed that despite their stupid ass laws, they can't seem to entirely kill the 2A in California.

 

[primer]

@primer, and it gets worse, https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cr...s-house-raided-over-suspected-illegal-firearm nothing was found here, either. Just a “far right activist” and a “suspected illegal firearm”. Is this where ‘1984’ merged with ‘Minority report’? The object the cops were looking for was an illegal magazine for a level action rifle. Sets a dangerous precedent. And, I note, the government is quiet on the next tranche of gun law changes, too. In an election year, I expect a lot of hubbub from a left leaning government making New Zealand safe and all that.

Posting on here would qualify as a far right activist?
Only 100,0000 or more to search for that have not been "confiscated". They really are like the annoying neighbors mad dog barking at the moon, hopefully enough of us eject them out of parliament and onto social welfare next election.
Only problem is I think most gun owners didn't vote for their bizarre hash of left wing/liberal/nazi/communism and it wasn't until national discovered there were a number of their pissed off constituents with gun licenses that they started to back track on their own plans for gun rego.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Update on the laws that the Democrats are trying to push through on Monday in Virginia:

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These are considered the "tame" ones.

 

[riderboy]

NPR is on to us!!

'Boogaloo' Is The New Far-Right Slang For Civil War

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/7953...Ol3ydGcEyK07hdd3PkMpcItp10miVYKBR-w_EcyW10qkM

 

[Newtonk]

@primer, not the correct you, the problem is stupid laws enacted by ignorant people chasing a populist agenda, who invented a problem to give themselves the opportunity to indulge in a little social engineering in line with a socialist agenda that appeals to a base element and to a liberal elite, all the while completely missing the solution to the problem they invented, so that they feel good about themselves about missing that problem. At. Your. Expense.

The problem is, now, if you, as a licence holder, have a dispute with your neighbour, and that neighbour calls the cops and says, “he’s got a prohibited mag hidden in his house”, the cops are now bound to search your place. Because, if they don’t, then it looks like the guy in the article was targeted more for his beliefs than for the mag of a 22 lever action rifle.

As one punter said on another website, surely wouldn’t it have been more practical to of called the guy and given him the opportunity to hand it in, before going all SWAT on his place?

Whilst it is likely that by the end of the year New Zealand will have a new government, the odds they will repeal this legislation is zero, as much as I’d like to dream otherwise. The good news is that there will be no further law changes. I hope.

I think you’ll find that most license holders agreed the law needed up dating, just not like this.

And, to close, if posting on here makes me “right wing”, whatever the hell that is, then I’m unemployed. And I really like my job. Earning money has its benefits!

 

[primer]

A 22 magazine. Says it all.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

I’ve been following a 3D printed gun pioneer for a couple months, his most recent accomplishments are a fully printable AK receiver (semi-auto), the FGC-9 that can bypass European restrictions, Glock magazines, and the ability to create a rifled barrel from a pipe and some electrical currents from water.

But now it looks like one of Bloomberg’s gun grabbing organizations noticed him:

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But he correctly told them that they cannot stop him and all they’ve done is spread the word:

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[HisRoyalHighness]

So Virginia Dems got rid of a bad gun bill and replaced it with an even WORSE one:

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They also pre-filed a bill where to recall a senator you have to have 25% of the population vote instead of 10% and it has to be done in less than 60 days. Also no more electoral college in the state and state elections get determined by the leftist population centers that border DC.

Nice, already in power and trying to change the ability of the people to recall their senators.

That IS something that might cause this thing to go full revolt.

Good news is that the 2A crowd was wayyyy bigger than the gun banners crowd:

While Virginia Democrats did their best to try to make it seem like gun control advocates and Second Amendment supporters were equally represented at the state capitol on Monday, the truth is that NRA members and opponents of Governor Ralph Northam’s anti-gun agenda far outnumbered their counterparts on the other side of the issue.

NRA Members, 2A Supporters Pack VA Capitol To Oppose Gun Bills

bearingarms.com

 

[BeNder]

northam is a real sh*t c*nt.

 

[Newtonk]

“Only problem is I think most gun owners didn't vote for their bizarre hash of left wing/liberal/nazi/communism”

This is farcical because even the screaming skulls of the rabid left don’t support Police’s actions on this occasion. Read it here:
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/01/...-of-a-politicised-police-force-is-a-tad-rich/. The author helpfully summarised the article in three points, and is remarkably pragmatic about it:

3 thoughts on this over the top gun raid on a far right gun nut.

1 – I’ve had the Police breach my civil rights & seen the nonexistent checks and balances and won’t tolerate it happening to anyone else regardless of their political opinions.

2 – Over the top actions like this for a gun part that didn’t exist only radicalises paranoid gun nuts, it doesn’t keep us safer.

3 – Watching the woke cheer abuse of police power on social media is nothing more than tribal W***.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Design of AR-15 could derail charges tied to popular rifle

DALLAS (AP) — A subtle design feature of the AR-15 rifle has raised a technical legal question that is derailing cases against people who are charged with illegally buying and selling the gun’s parts or building the weapon.

At issue is whether a key piece of one of America’s most popular firearms meets the definition of a gun that prosecutors have long relied on.

For decades, the federal government has treated a mechanism called the lower receiver as the essential piece of the semiautomatic rifle, which has been used in some of the nation’s deadliest mass shootings. Prosecutors regularly bring charges based on that specific part.

But some defense attorneys have recently argued that the part alone does not meet the definition in the law. Federal law enforcement officials, who have long been concerned about the discrepancy, are increasingly worried that it could hinder some criminal prosecutions and undermine firearms regulations nationwide.

“Now the cat is out of the bag, so I think you’ll see more of this going on,” said Stephen Halbrook, an attorney who has written books on gun law and history. “Basically, the government has gotten away with this for a long time.”

Cases involving lower receivers represent a small fraction of the thousands of federal gun charges filed each year. But the loophole has allowed some people accused of illegally selling or possessing the parts, including convicted felons, to escape prosecution. The issue also complicates efforts to address so-called ghost guns, which are largely untraceable because they are assembled from parts.

Design of AR-15 could derail charges tied to popular rifle

DALLAS (AP) — A subtle design feature of the AR-15 rifle has raised a technical legal question that is derailing cases against people who are charged with illegally buying and selling the gun's parts or building the weapon.

apnews.com

Want to know why 80% lowers have become popular? Because of totalitarian stepping states have tried to kill off brick and mortar gun factories, now this industry has shifted into a cottage industry of hundreds of names and brands. Factor in 3D printing and the internet and you have a recipe of gun control being neutered.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Looks like the VA Governor has declared a state of emergency in Richmond and has banned all guns on capital property:

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Also, I hear they are installing walls around the capital grounds, that’s certainly the actions of someone who is not a tyrant.

Also West Virginia is proposing annexing Virginia's 2A heartland to protect the 2A:

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