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^^^i found the precise datas in a publication (Fusco et al, Journal of Hospital Infection, 2009)
France had back in 2009 67 negative pressure rooms in 17 hospitals
Germany had 34 HIR (of various technologies) distributed over 10 hospitals

You can have some back up from portable systems and military help but it will certainly not cover thousands of ill people ....
 
1. Beside that they all use mask and gloves, even in remote areas, to serve you meal, something that is not seen there.

2. It's up to you if you want to eat in a level D or a level A cleanliness restaurant.

Paradoxicaly the meat is sometimes left in a plate on the ground.
A lot of paradoxes, this country.

1. Who uses? In hospitals? Certainly not in restaurants. Again I have to recommend ADV china where they go places where Chinese themselves eat.
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2. I don't think the local populace has that luxury.
 
Mind you after having spend 20 days of China, their hygiene system is not so bad. There are areas where it is behind but the hospital i visited (for*hum hum* some stomach issues) was technically well equiped and well staffed, better than some western hospitals. It is a different health system (speed and efficiency vs anonymity and patient individual care) but i had my blood results in 30 min when the same would have taken 2 days in France. Was it because i was a turist, i dunno but still.

Futhermore, every single of their restaurant has a hygiene quotation plastered at the entry (something you don't have in the west). It's up to you if you want to eat in a level D or a level A cleanliness restaurant.

Beside that they all use mask and gloves, even in remote areas, to serve you meal, something that is not seen there.
Paradoxicaly the meat is sometimes left in a plate on the ground.
A lot of paradoxes, this country.

The thing that explains the emergence of pathogens is mostly their live food markets with plenty of species and plenty of cramped people (cramped because well, it's China). But it could have happened elsewhere. We had our share of alerts (bird flu). Our supposed industrial processes doesn't protect us from foood borne diseases and certainly not from a virus that has decided to go recombinant. The thing is that we handle less exotic species so are less at risk to see a weird recombinant emerge.
But we have other issues that we shouldn't be proud of


I agree we have had problems such as Bird flu, but I think the problem was confined to the farms, i.e. not the public. The problem seems to be the proximity of people with Bats/birds food prep etc. so bugs are jumping over easily. Also in UK we had the horsemeat being sold as beef.....but no-one died from it.
 
There are lots of rumors swirling around about how bad this outbreak is and how many people have actually died. Hard to known what to actually believe, but I do believe it's worse that what is being publicly released.
 
1. Who uses? In hospitals? Certainly not in restaurants. Again I have to recommend ADV china where they go places where Chinese themselves eat.
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2. I don't think the local populace has that luxury.
Yes, yes when they serve meals. Not in restaurants but every little take and leave i have come accross had a mask
 
Speaking of selling live animals for food. It is kind of understandable if: you can't make sure that the cold chain hasn't been interrupted at some point of delivery and that large facilities take care of hygiene while preparing the meat. But then they should use the meat immediately (and prepare using clean utensils).
 
Speaking of selling live animals for food. It is kind of understandable if: you can't make sure that the cold chain hasn't been interrupted at some point of delivery and that large facilities take care of hygiene while preparing the meat. But then they should use the meat immediately (and prepare using clean utensils).
Issue for viral recombination is not the dead animals and meat hygiene. Issue is stacking several animals from several species that can act as viral reservoir for airborne viruses alive and close to each other.
A dead animal means a dead virus
A live animal means a possible spreading source if it sneezes.
 
Issue for viral recombination is not the dead animals and meat hygiene.

I am just trying to make a case for why consumers would still be using these kind of markets, that leads to this current problem.
 
I am just trying to make a case for why consumers would still be using these kind of markets, that leads to this current problem.
And you are entirely correct. Sorry if i misunderstood
 
I am just trying to make a case for why consumers would still be using these kind of markets, that leads to this current problem.
Certainly, but all cultural differences and practical necessities aside – even a Chinese peon could be aware of the fact that bats aren't animals that humans ought to come into contact with. They carry more viruses, bacteria and parasites than any other order of animal. And that's saying something on a planet where moskitoes and ticks exist.
 
Certainly, but all cultural differences and practical necessities aside – even a Chinese peon could be aware of the fact that bats aren't animals that humans ought to come into contact with. They carry more viruses, bacteria and parasites than any other order of animal. And that's saying something on a planet where moskitoes and ticks exist.
Oh come on, bats are cute....:p

I am not even sure you are correct with your last assessment. It happens that when viruses want to jump the specie fence, they would do from any kind of animal.
Think about bird flu, hantavirus, monkeypox (both coming from rodents) etc

Bat carry a bit more viruses than rodents, i ll grant you that but there are no bat transmitted bacteria to my knowledge while rodent transmitted bacterias are also numerous (plague, leptospirosis etc)

And let's not even speak about ticks that beat any other animal.
Where you are correct is that bats have to be handled carefully. But it is not the bat alone that is the issue like it is not the duck alone that is the issue for bird flu.

It is the concentration of the bat (or bird) reservoir with another animal where viral recombination can occur (civet in the case of SARS, camel in the case of MERS, pig in the case of H1N1) and human population.

The final issue is in fact our proximity with our livestock (even if civet is not really that)
It has been the case since the beginning of agriculture. Measle had a bovine origin. Tuberculosis too. As long that you will have that triangular exposition savage animal-livestock/butchery animal/human consumer, there would be a risk.
 

The evacuees will be quarantined for up to 14 days.

Beijing first didn't want a military plane to be used but now it seems they are OK with it. It also brings medical supplies.
 
My office now issue face masks and its mandatory to use them while at work. Alcohol are everywhere and all the crew that flew the aircraft with an infected passenger last week is now under a two week quarantine.

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