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[Jake84]

The last page of this long-running thread is quite interesting and the fact if confirmed 100% that the origins of Covid was a mishaps at the Wuhan Lab. I could see why the MSM would keep very quiet about it.

That’s what I’ve wondered since the beginning all while without 100% sure it was a lab leak though “only” an accidental one.

Turning to the CCP now for answers but who am I kidding. We won’t get any.

Various doctors and scientists working at the same Wuhan Lab mysteriously vanished. Say more than we need to know about the CCP anyway.

 

[Redav]

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[BCNTM]

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If you want to believe that then do you believe in this?............ Same guy

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[Ivan le Fou]

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[Ivan le Fou]

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[Chomiq]

China Covid: Panic and fear drove iPhone factory breakout

Workers at the plant in Zhengzhou, China, thought they were going to be part of a huge Covid experiment.

www.bbc.com

 

[surfpunk]

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Amitava Banerjee, clinical data science, consultant cardiologist, Institute of Health Informatics, University College London "We should never ever have had a pandemic preparedness team that did not consider the indirect and long-term effects. We focused on the direct effects of excess deaths from covid, but from the beginning it’s likely the indirect effects will lead to more deaths, and more morbidity and more economic impacts than Covid deaths itself What I see is still a focus on the direct effects of Covid... Nobody who is in charge of the NHS, or any of the new health secretaries, are making any noises about it"

 

[Redav]

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[NZM305]

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Hmmm this graph suggests differently

 

[Redav]

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[Picanha]

Meanwhile in China

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Disclaimer: I don't endorse the Twitterer and his stance but just for illustrative purposes

 

[Picanha]

basically, the vaccines do nothing. the vast majority of the people in our ICU's for covid are VACCINATED.
let me rephrase that... the vaccines do something, the boffins just arent sure what that is yet...

But they must have some effects - we are open China the only place without mRNA vaccines is not.

I am travelling to Brazil next month only vaccination or test required I prefer this over the Chinese model.

 

[Picanha]

Valentin Bruttel one scientist involved in the new studies pointing to an lab leak cause on Twitter (German)

https://twitter.com/VBruttel/with_replies?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

He's receiving flak and like usual nobody wants to discuss with him publicly. He is a Ph.D not some clown btw.

 

[Picanha]

I would say the vaccines work:

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[Jake84]

Or is it just Covid finally fading and morphing into a more seasonal flu, less lethal like Omicron has been for the past months? Herd immunity achieved?

Seriously not even the doctors, virologist can come to a consensus. As an internet commentator and from past pandemics, usually those lasted about two-three years, killed millions/dozen millions and disappeared much like they originated…

 

[Picanha]

Whatever it was its over. I think it was a combination of all you mentioned plus the vaccines.

China is stuck in a dead end as a live example of how not to do it.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Valentin Bruttel one scientist involved in the new studies pointing to an lab leak cause on Twitter (German)

https://twitter.com/VBruttel/with_replies?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

He's receiving flak and like usual nobody wants to discuss with him publicly. He is a Ph.D not some clown btw.

If anything the COVID crisis showed that you just need to be loud in order to be right.

Ph.Ds pushed each and every versions and hypothesis possible, sometimes with convincing arguments, sometimes with interesting suggestions or reasonable criticisms. And some simply in order to push a narrative, whatever side it supports.

We have had Ph.Ds, experts, officials, etc... supporting the possibility of a lab leak (from A to Z on the spectrum of how intentional it was and/or may have been); just like we have had Ph.Ds, experts, officials, etc... claiming lockdowns, passports, mandates, etc... were the way to go and would have none of the negative consequences we are witnessing. We have had everything and its contrary.

We ended up to a point where the very definition of "vaccine" had to be rewritten and updated God knows how many times, with even medical staff (whatever their job) getting confused as to what a "vaccine" is and/or how it works. With, on top of that, governmental decisions muddying the water even more by saying "medical staff is allowed to work even if they are sick with COVID, no matter if they are vaccinated or not".

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Whatever it was its over. I think it was a combination of all you mentioned plus the vaccines.

China is stuck in a dead end as a live example of how not to do it.

What would be interesting to know is how China handled things when it started and what happened during these 2 years when the rest of the world was pretty much experiencing, on a different fractured level, what China is doing, on a larger scale.

 

[Picanha]

They got afraid of the escaped virus they created what else?
?

Then they started lying and using brute force. Mostly towards their own population but they also brought it on the world without remorse and locked themselves down.

The CCP is as smart as a rock. But also as merciless as its hard.

There was a small windows of oppurtunity about 10 years ago to get China to be normal but Xitler is now emperor for life so we will never know.

I also presume certain people to have disappeared after all China is now a secluded country free to do what it wants.

Its now 4 years and they haven't found the animal. Regarding the magnitude of the pandemic thats outstandingly ineffective.