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[Ivan le Fou]

Don't need to be paid, relatively low maintenance, don't mess up orders, don't need to take breaks, can work non-stop without affecting their productivity and efficiency.

 

[JimHPTN]

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Assume that a robot mechanic makes $35/hour direct with a weighted rate of $80/hour (health, 401k, etc.) and can do PM on 10 machines a week. The robot only costs $30,000 up front and costs $3/hour to operate from what I read. Assuming that a restaurant runs for 10 hours a day for 350 days per year. That's a labor cost for the burger flipper of 3500 hours/year. Assume a direct wage of $8/hour with a weighted wage of $10/hour to make the math easy. That's $35,000 per year. Using the same usage assumptions the yearly operating cost of the burger robot is $10,500. Now assuming a 2 year payback, ignoring the interest rates to make things simple again, although a bit low, the investment on the machine is $15,000/year for 2 years. The cost of the mechanic per machine based once again upon weighted pay is $16,000/year. That's a total of $41,500/year for the robot burger flipper. If I do my math correctly after that, it means that human flippy can get his base wage raised to around $9.86/hour with no increase in weighting and the costs will break even with robot flippy. If the machine price comes down, my maintenance numbers are high, hours used is higher, or that $3/hour operation includes maintenance, robot flippy is already competitive. $15/hour will put most of the short order cooks in the USA out of business, of which there are estimated to be 150,000. (BLS May 2019, God only knows after Covid).

It seems that Biden and his cronies want to put the whole country out of work.

 

[Fluff]

Assume that a robot mechanic makes $35/hour direct with a weighted rate of $80/hour (health, 401k, etc.) and can do PM on 10 machines a week. The robot only costs $30,000 up front and costs $3/hour to operate from what I read. Assuming that a restaurant runs for 10 hours a day for 350 days per year. That's a labor cost for the burger flipper of 3500 hours/year. Assume a direct wage of $8/hour with a weighted wage of $10/hour to make the math easy. That's $35,000 per year. Using the same usage assumptions the yearly operating cost of the burger robot is $10,500. Now assuming a 2 year payback, ignoring the interest rates to make things simple again, although a bit low, the investment on the machine is $15,000/year for 2 years. The cost of the mechanic per machine based once again upon weighted pay is $16,000/year. That's a total of $41,500/year for the robot burger flipper. If I do my math correctly after that, it means that human flippy can get his base wage raised to around $9.86/hour with no increase in weighting and the costs will break even with robot flippy. If the machine price comes down, my maintenance numbers are high, hours used is higher, or that $3/hour operation includes maintenance, robot flippy is already competitive. $15/hour will put most of the short order cooks in the USA out of business, of which there are estimated to be 150,000. (BLS May 2019, God only knows after Covid).

It seems that Biden and his cronies want to put the whole country out of work.

in 3 shift operations, its even worse, a 250K machine is soon in profit, if the manual version needs 4-5 operators for a full week, at about £25K PA.

As you go into the start of year 3 you are in profit.

Manual and semi-skilled jobs will disappear, skilled technical roles will expand, which is good, but not paying attention at school is going to be a ticket to the dole.

 

[JimHPTN]

in 3 shift operations, its even worse, a 250K machine is soon in profit, if the manual version needs 4-5 operators for a full week, at about £25K PA.

As you go into the start of year 3 you are in profit.

Manual and semi-skilled jobs will disappear, skilled technical roles will expand, which is good, but not paying attention at school is going to be a ticket to the dole.

The other thing that the "learn to code" crowd doesn't understand is that many people who occupy these low skill jobs simply don't have the ability to fill the high skill jobs. These jobs require technical aptitude and decent mathematical skills in order to perform the job competently. Also, there are only so many of these skilled jobs to go around.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

"Learn to code".

Or, as John Kerry so eloquently said to the people working in the oil industry: learn to build solar panels!

Oh and, about that student loan debt thing... yeah... we aren't going to delete it.

Sowy we lied again.

But at least we defeated Trump!

 

[colin traveller]

Being duped by scammers which you end up being scammed for 600 million earns you a promotion to the Biden Admin ..

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[colin traveller]

More Comedy from Biden

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[colin traveller]

Assume that a robot mechanic makes $35/hour direct with a weighted rate of $80/hour (health, 401k, etc.) and can do PM on 10 machines a week. The robot only costs $30,000 up front and costs $3/hour to operate from what I read. Assuming that a restaurant runs for 10 hours a day for 350 days per year. That's a labor cost for the burger flipper of 3500 hours/year. Assume a direct wage of $8/hour with a weighted wage of $10/hour to make the math easy. That's $35,000 per year. Using the same usage assumptions the yearly operating cost of the burger robot is $10,500. Now assuming a 2 year payback, ignoring the interest rates to make things simple again, although a bit low, the investment on the machine is $15,000/year for 2 years. The cost of the mechanic per machine based once again upon weighted pay is $16,000/year. That's a total of $41,500/year for the robot burger flipper. If I do my math correctly after that, it means that human flippy can get his base wage raised to around $9.86/hour with no increase in weighting and the costs will break even with robot flippy. If the machine price comes down, my maintenance numbers are high, hours used is higher, or that $3/hour operation includes maintenance, robot flippy is already competitive. $15/hour will put most of the short order cooks in the USA out of business, of which there are estimated to be 150,000. (BLS May 2019, God only knows after Covid).

It seems that Biden and his cronies want to put the whole country out of work.

To rely on techology as a cost cutting measure ..will not really save them money because those machines will endure faults and companies that do specialise in fixing them will charge a fortune per call out plus there is no garuntee they will parts on site at the ready for those specialists to fix them on site . How many Companies will there even be remains to be seen .
And you also have to take into account the length of time those will have to be trained to have gain a licence proving they are capable of the work that's a 2 year course at least .
Out of the way places will not even bother buying them .

 

[JimHPTN]

To rely on techology as a cost cutting measure ..will not really save them money because those machines will endure faults and companies that do specialise in fixing them will charge a fortune per call out plus there is no garuntee they will parts on site at the ready for those specialists to fix them on site . How many Companies will there even be remains to be seen .
And you also have to take into account the length of time those will have to be trained to have gain a licence proving they are capable of the work that's a 2 year course at least .
Out of the way places will not even bother buying them .

You are right in that smaller places will not be able to afford them, especially if they have a wide variety on the menu. On the other hand, a large franchise with several high volume stores in the same area can almost justify the costs of the machines and the requisite maintenance personnel now. When they watch their labor costs almost double from $8/hour to $15/hour they will be looking for technical solutions just to survive.

As far as not relying upon technology as a cost saving measure, I will simply point to robotic welders. When I started working, there was no way that a robotic welder would work in a low cost/low to mid volume environment. Now, they're commonplace. Also, I've seen robotic painters for the same low cost/low to mid volume environment go from not available to dramatically reducing manpower requirements, lowering defects, and lowering material usage.

 

[colin traveller]

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[colin traveller]

You are right in that smaller places will not be able to afford them, especially if they have a wide variety on the menu. On the other hand, a large franchise with several high volume stores in the same area can almost justify the costs of the machines and the requisite maintenance personnel now. When they watch their labor costs almost double from $8/hour to $15/hour they will be looking for technical solutions just to survive.

As far as not relying upon technology as a cost saving measure, I will simply point to robotic welders. When I started working, there was no way that a robotic welder would work in a low cost/low to mid volume environment. Now, they're commonplace. Also, I've seen robotic painters for the same low cost/low to mid volume environment go from not available to dramatically reducing manpower requirements, lowering defects, and lowering material usage.

Those machines will cost more to maintain making them unaffordable to operate .. and the machines will have to endure ,, Hot humid conditions and will suffer a build up of grease and the any plastic parts if any can they garuntee it won't melt over a chargrill ,

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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“If we don’t get it, burn it down”

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Deporting Africans while droning African countries.

That's the power of the first Black Female VP!

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Biden is calling Belgrade to recognize Kosovo.

Yeah huh... looks like Joe skipped the part where you need to have talks and such. You can't just say "x country must recognize y country". That's not how things work.

The only result this kind of posturing would achieve is pissing off both sides against one another, but also against the US.

"America is back!" he said... yup well... it sure does look that way.

 

[JimHPTN]

Biden is calling Belgrade to recognize Kosovo.

Yeah huh... looks like Joe skipped the part where you need to have talks and such. You can't just say "x country must recognize y country". That's not how things work.

The only result this kind of posturing would achieve is pissing off both sides against one another, but also against the US.

"America is back!" he said... yup well... it sure does look that way.

If he's pushing to get Serbia to let Kosovo go, surely he won't object when Texas and Wyoming start pushing for secession, as both of those states have been suggesting lately.

 

[Euroamerican]

Didn’t need to see him at the beginning of the Super Bowl broadcast. Turned the Chanel away until his wife was done speaking for him. Don’t know if he did anything more than sit there.

 

[Flagg]

Assume that a robot mechanic makes $35/hour direct with a weighted rate of $80/hour (health, 401k, etc.) and can do PM on 10 machines a week. The robot only costs $30,000 up front and costs $3/hour to operate from what I read. Assuming that a restaurant runs for 10 hours a day for 350 days per year. That's a labor cost for the burger flipper of 3500 hours/year. Assume a direct wage of $8/hour with a weighted wage of $10/hour to make the math easy. That's $35,000 per year. Using the same usage assumptions the yearly operating cost of the burger robot is $10,500. Now assuming a 2 year payback, ignoring the interest rates to make things simple again, although a bit low, the investment on the machine is $15,000/year for 2 years. The cost of the mechanic per machine based once again upon weighted pay is $16,000/year. That's a total of $41,500/year for the robot burger flipper. If I do my math correctly after that, it means that human flippy can get his base wage raised to around $9.86/hour with no increase in weighting and the costs will break even with robot flippy. If the machine price comes down, my maintenance numbers are high, hours used is higher, or that $3/hour operation includes maintenance, robot flippy is already competitive. $15/hour will put most of the short order cooks in the USA out of business, of which there are estimated to be 150,000. (BLS May 2019, God only knows after Covid).

It seems that Biden and his cronies want to put the whole country out of work.

The government will fix everything by taxing robots like employees.

 

[JimHPTN]

Didn’t need to see him at the beginning of the Super Bowl broadcast. Turned the Chanel away until his wife was done speaking for him. Don’t know if he did anything more than sit there.

Another reason why I didn't watch the Super Bowl this year.

 

[JimHPTN]

The government will fix everything by taxing robots like employees.

"We're from the government and we're here to help." - The scariest words known to competent, honest people everywhere.

 

[Fluff]

The government will fix everything by taxing robots like employees.

I can see this happening. Your robot will pay for humans to do nothing....
until the robot gets pissed off....