Politics Protests in Belarus

[nemipuka_]

Another brilliant move by Putin. Lukashenko has distanced himself from Moscow in recent years, and out of the blue for the first time in his reign there are mass protests and an organized viable opposition and the army, integrated into the Russian armed forces in all but name, refuses to do what it has done for decades; protect the regime. Leaving Lukashenko no other choice than to bow down to Putin. If it gets worse he'll have no other choice than to "invite" polite people to move into the country. Russia will not let this buffer state fall.


Putin plays grandmaster level chess while the EU thinks they're playing a game of checkers. All they've done is push the formerly semi-neutral Belarusian regime firmly into the arms of Russia. Retaining the status quo would have been better for everyone except Russia but of course realism doesn't exist in the fantasy world of Western politicians and diplomats. Nothing learned from Ukraine.

Lukashenko kept Belarus formally "independent" from Russia as much as he won't be diminished to the rank of regional thug like Kadyrov. That's all the distance between him and Putin.
What are you trying to insinuate here anyway? That the protests are "pushed" by "western politicians and diplomats"? Here we go again, the same old mantra...

Russia will not let this buffer state fall

And this makes Putin the "Brilliant grandmaster player"?
Just so you know, intervention to support such unpopular dictator could backfire real bad. People are not just pawns in your imaginary chess board.

 

[nemipuka_]

More info about possible Russian forces on their way to Minsk after the Belarusian police became unable to crush protests:

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[tea-drinker]

What are you trying to insinuate here anyway? That the protests are "pushed" by "western politicians and diplomats"? Here we go again, the same old mantra...

Well protests and regime change are historically championed by the West, we'd need some kind of conspiracy theory to prove that ISN@T the case.
Pity NATO didn't take same approach with Libya, we'd have a heck of a lot less illegal immigrants either taking taxpayer money or dead from drowning. Or slave markets in Libya, or literally hundreds dead from terrorism in EU because "people are just pawns" in NATO strategy.

NATO is costing a lot of money for deliberately insecure borders, hundreds dead at home and hundreds of thousands dead abroad.

 

[berkut76]

Well protests and regime change are historically championed by the West, we'd need some kind of conspiracy theory to prove that ISN@T the case.
Pity NATO didn't take same approach with Libya, we'd have a heck of a lot less illegal immigrants either taking taxpayer money or dead from drowning. Or slave markets in Libya, or literally hundreds dead from terrorism in EU because "people are just pawns" in NATO strategy.

NATO is costing a lot of money for deliberately insecure borders, hundreds dead at home and hundreds of thousands dead abroad.

The West builds social institutions interact with the society at large while Russia props nothing but corrupt elites, and then it surprised that people are turning against these elites and blame Russia to boot. That being said there are no NATO agents, Soros thugs, etc. that make people protest and risk their lives to throw off the shackles of dictators who are in power or aspire to be ones

 

[morris]

As predicted both Soros and Lukashenko teams sang their Sunday karaoke and nothing has changed.

Lukashenko scored points by appearing in person and making a speech to huge crowd of his supporters.

Soros failed to attend but there were sexy girls so points there too.

 

[berkut76]

As predicted both Soros and Lukashenko teams sang their Sunday karaoke and nothing has changed.

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Lukashenko scored points by appearing in person and making a speech to huge crowd of his supporters.
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Soros failed to attend but there were sexy girls so points there too.
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There was no huge crowd. Just state employees brought in from rural regions. One of the Luksahenko "delegates" said that she worked at a factory for 30 years, but never been to the sea and nothing about Lukashnko. KGB unit "Alfa" refused to take part in any action aimed at silencing protesters. It's over, but for how long Lukashnko will continue to resist is up in the air.

 

[morris]

OK, there were no huge crowds.
One of the Luksahenko delegates hinted that Lukashenko should recognize Russian Crimea to make it easier to fly to Black sea resorts. Would not be surprised if he does after Ukraine leadership went retard on him.
This time protesters did not engaged in violence against police so there was no need to arrest them.

 

[berkut76]

OK, there were no huge crowds.
One of the Luksahenko delegates hinted that Lukashenko should recognize Russian Crimea to make it easier to fly to Black sea resorts. Would not be surprised if he does after Ukraine leadership went retard on him.
This time protesters did not engaged in violence against police so there was no need to arrest them.

Not exactly, Lukashenko pretty much accused Ukrainian leadership of orchestrating the whole thing against him. Ukrainians got upset over Wagner affair as they hoped for extradition of the Russian mercenaries and collaborators.

 

[nemipuka_]

Lukashenko's big "scored points":

OK, there were no huge crowds.
One of the Luksahenko delegates hinted that Lukashenko should recognize Russian Crimea to make it easier to fly to Black sea resorts. Would not be surprised if he does after Ukraine leadership went retard on him.
This time protesters did not engaged in violence against police so there was no need to arrest them.

This won't make any difference since he is already unrecognized by his on people and hopefully - by the rest of the world. And btw, it's amusing watching how you try to turn the Soros-phobia of most people in favor of pro-Russian delusions.


Yesterday Lukashenko manage to hold the state TV in line:

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But now it's cracking:

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[morris]

Lukashenko's big ...

Nobody except few money hungry prostitutes like Soros either so there is no winner.
More artists upset by Lukashenko

 

[nemipuka_]

Israeli citizen reportedly tortured by police in Belarus amid protests

«Повторим тебе обрезание»: израильтян истязали в тюрьмах Беларуси

Как минимум трое граждан Израиля были задержаны в Беларуси в последние дни лукашенковскими силовиками. Двое из них обладают и беларусским гражданством, то есть не отказались от него в момент репатриации. Об освобождении одного из них, Артема, «Деталям» сообщили за несколько часов до данной...

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Translation:

Alexander Forman with his wife and child:

 

[nemipuka_]

Lukashenko tried to make another speech, this time at the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant. It didn't went as planned:

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[berkut76]

Nobody except few money hungry prostitutes like Soros either so there is no winner.
More artists upset by Lukashenko
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Nothing to do with Soros again. The ascendancy of Zelensky to the Ukrainian presidency was for the most part due to stalled of reforms, non stop corruption scandals of the previous administration of Poroshenko AND the conspiracy on the part of Ukrainian oligarchs aligned with Kremlin who feared that that they are losing grip on the Ukrainian society. One could also add immaturity of the Ukrainian society and savvy manipulation of media to the list. However, Zelensky proved to be a very ambitious individual who didn't turn out to be a puppet that oligarchs hoped he would become.

 

[Musashi]

According to the Russian pundits based on their own country recent history, presidential elections is like referendums, "contract renewal" between the dictator and his people. Makes no sense because the referendum is fixed.

Luka is ready to ask monsieur Putain for help. Also, he started moving an airborne brigade from Vitebsk to Brest that is on the Polish border. On top of that, he started exercises with Russia close to the Polish border, saying that NATO troops are deployed 15 minutes from the Belarusian border.
There are videos on social media showing unmarked Russian military troops heading the Belarusian border.
It's very likely that monsieur Putain will dress Russian soldiers as Belarusian ones and help Luka to quell the sh1t down.
Of course, his help will come at a price that is Belarus' independence.

 

[berkut76]

Luka is ready to ask monsieur Putain for help. Also, he started moving an airborne brigade from Vitebsk to Brest that is on the Polish border. On top of that, he started exercises with Russia close to the Polish border, saying that NATO troops are deployed 15 minutes from the Belarusian border.
There are videos on social media showing unmarked Russian military troops heading the Belarusian border.
It's very likely that monsieur Putain will dress Russian soldiers as Belarusian ones and help Luka to quell the sh1t down.
Of course, his help will come at a price that is Belarus' independence.

I honestly hope that bloodshed will be avoided. Belarussians are not anti-Russian, at least not at this point. Quelling protests in blood might cost Putin his own throne.

 

[Mike1976]

I honestly hope that bloodshed will be avoided. Belarussians are not anti-Russian, at least not at this point. Quelling protests in blood might cost Putin his own throne.

"Russians and Ukrainians are brothers". Didn't stop Putin then, won't stop him now in the case of their Belarusian "brothers". Invading Crimea and Eastern-Ukraine only made Putin more popular, not less. His supporters loved him more, his haters hated him more. The former far outnumber the latter. Even the situation surrounding Furgal who actually has support in his own region won't bother him since "Revolutions are started in Moscow or St Petersburg, not rural Russia".

 

[Musashi]

"Opposition" handlers in Poland and Lithuania succeeded in pushing president Lukashenko into pro-Russian camp after EU tried to groom his rusophobia and win him to the West during last few years.
Lukashenko freed 32 Russian hostages arrested earlier and they are back home now to great chagrin of Ukrainian leadership who asked for their extradition.

Belarus Hands 32 Detained 'Mercenaries' Over to Russia - The Moscow Times

Russia on Friday announced the safe return of 32 of its citizens after Belarus detained them saying they were mercenaries sent to destabilize the country ahead of Sunday's presidential election.

www.themoscowtimes.com

More so, Lukashenko suddenly remembered about Belarus-Russia defense treaty to warn Poland off of any attempt to use force to support anti-Lukashenko protesters.

Which is pretty stupid, as Poland would not be interested in using any force against Belarus. We used to be united for a few centuries, as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania had actually more to do with modern Belarus in terms of its language, religion and traditions. It has its army, budget and the parliament.
Speaking of the recent history, there was not any genocide on the Polish population in Belarus during the WW2. It happened so in Ukraine, so Polish people have more hard feelings towards the latter. As we managed to reconcile with Ukraine in a civilised way, nobody with a piece of a brain should suspect us of starting a military intervention in Belarus.

 

[Mike1976]

Which is pretty stupid, as Poland would not be interested in using any force against Belarus. We used to be united for a few centuries, as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania had actually more to do with modern Belarus in terms of its language, religion and traditions. It has its army, budget and the parliament.

During WW2 hardly any place in the USSR saw more widespread and passionate partizan activity for Mother Russia than Belarus. They have traditionally been heavily pro-Russian.

No one in Poland (some extremist splinter group maybe, but they are irrelevant) is suggesting military force, but that kind of message is not meant for any of us, it is to prepare the Russian people for the liberation of Belarus from "fascists". The exact same playbook as Ukraine 2014.

On Friday he claimed people had arrived from Poland, Ukraine and the Netherlands to direct the protest movement.

The same way that Russia has been claiming all kinds of actions by the Netherlands against them. Detecting submarines near their fleet, bugs being placed in Russian diplomatic vehicles etc. An easy target because they know that there is nothing we can/will do against them and the Russian public will believe anything after being "made a scapegoat after the Ukrainian military shot down MH-17". Ditto for Poland (loss of the Polish presidential aircraft) and Ukraine (for obvious reasons). A conspiracy made to distract from internal Russian affairs (Furgal protests) by pro-Putin media will always include at least ones of these countries because it's an easy sell to the Russian public.