Politics Protests in Belarus

[Junglejim]

Wait, I cant keep up are we back blaming Soros again and not Bill Gates? How about the jews where are they in the circulation now?

 

[1645556315]

Well, pro-western opposition failed to achieve fast victory. As we can see, every moves of opposition literally match standard color revolution playbook. That surely was effective in the past days, but now is obsolete to some extent and there is a counter measures already existed and proved.

Me afraid opposition now prepare some bloody false flag operation like "Nebesnaya sotnia" in Ukraine (they shoot more then hundred peotesters and even more law enforcement operatives in the Kiev during last Maidan revolt).

 

[Musashi]

Well, pro-western opposition failed to achieve fast victory. As we can see, every moves of opposition literally match standard color revolution playbook. That surely was effective in the past days, but now is obsolete to some extent and there is a counter measures already existed and proved.

Me afraid opposition now prepare some bloody false flag operation like "Nebesnaya sotnia" in Ukraine (they shoot more then hundred peotesters and even more law enforcement operatives in the Kiev during last Maidan revolt).

What makes the protesters pro-Western? These people just demand fair elections. They don't like being beaten up for no reason and their "leader" taking the piss out of the virus.
It has been recognised by anybody with a bit of a brain that Belarusians, regardless of their future new leader, want to maintain close ties with Russia.
I thought you were a bit more sensible to see it.

 

[1645556315]

What makes the protesters pro-Western? These people just demand fair elections.
It has been recognised by anybody with a bit of a brain that Belarusians, regardless of their future new leader, want to maintain close ties with Russia.

Of couse most of the people are ordinary people who just bored with Lukashenko and demand their rights, i am fully agree with that. However most of the opposition leaders and foreign supporters are not even pro-western, but usual anti-Russian crowd. Like in Ukraine, there is nationalists, pro-Poland and baltics elements, western supported anti-Russian organisations and so on. That sort of public will be happy to destroy own country to inflict even minor damage to Russia. Good that unlike in Ukraine, these groups have much smaller influence in Belarus.

 

[berkut76]

It looks like Russia mad its choice and decided to stick with Lukashenko. Could have played it differently as there is NO anti-Russian sentiment in Belarus.

Russia Slams ‘Foreign Meddling’ in Belarus, Rules Out Immediate Military Aid

The Kremlin said Wednesday that events in Belarus did not yet warrant Russia’s military involvement, while Russia’s foreign minister admitted shortcomings in the disputed presidential elections.

Both, however, criticized alleged foreign interference in the post-Soviet country's affairs following major protests against Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko’s claim to victory on Aug. 9.

A collective military pact details security guarantees between Russia and Belarus “but there’s currently no such need [to send assistance],” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Wednesday, according to the RBC news website.

The Kremlin previously said Russian President Vladimir Putin had told Lukashenko that his country was ready to assist Belarus, if necessary, as part of the pact.

Peskov added Wednesday that foreign interference in Belarus is “unacceptable.”

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov joined in the condemnation of what he said were attempts from abroad to take advantage of unrest in Belarus, though he noted that its elections “were not ideal.”

"No one is making a secret of the fact that this is about geopolitics, the fight for the post-Soviet space," Lavrov said in a televised interview.

Lukashenko himself has alleged that NATO deployed tanks and planes near the Belarusian border.

On Wednesday, Lukashenko ordered reinforcements of the state border “to prevent the flow of militants, arms and money to finance unrest from other countries.” He also ordered the military to monitor the movements of NATO troops in neighboring Poland and Lithuania.

Ahead of the vote, the Belarusian leader accused the Kremlin of dispatching mercenaries to Minsk to stir unrest.

Following an emergency summit of the European Union’s heads of state, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Wednesday that the EU does not recognize the Belarusian election outcome.

EU ministers agreed last week to draw up new sanctions against people behind election rigging and violent protest suppression in Belarus. Germany has said even stronger penalties should be considered.

 

[Junglejim]

Nothing in that article showed or even hinted Putin is in Lukas side, it actually shows that Putin is leaving him high and dry. By saying there is no need for military intervention, he practically told the west you wont be seeing Russian soldiers soon should you interfere.

 

[berkut76]

Nothing in that article showed or even hinted Putin is in Lukas side, it actually shows that Putin is leaving him high and dry. By saying there is no need for military intervention, he practically told the west you wont be seeing Russian soldiers soon should you interfere.

Everyone is allowed to their own interpretation, I posted an article in full.

 

[1645556315]

Nothing in that article showed or even hinted Putin is in Lukas side, it actually shows that Putin is leaving him high and dry. By saying there is no need for military intervention, he practically told the west you wont be seeing Russian soldiers soon should you interfere.

In the last few days there is a intense communication between Russian side and Belorussian (Lukashenko) side on various levels/channels. While for now this is not clear what is going on, but for sure for this moment Russia does not left Lukashenko alone.

 

[tea-drinker]

Sad for this dude, of course should never happen and the follow up inhumane treatment is deplorable.
But having said that as a Paddy, I don't go to my wife's country and get involved in protests and by taking pictures of police (in this volatile environment) you are involved.
Every country likes to be able to blame protests on foreign agitators, it's the one thing that short of diplomatic intervention is a great win for the government.

"Sure the whole things was his idea, he organised everything etc"

Israeli citizen reportedly tortured by police in Belarus amid protests

«Повторим тебе обрезание»: израильтян истязали в тюрьмах Беларуси

Как минимум трое граждан Израиля были задержаны в Беларуси в последние дни лукашенковскими силовиками. Двое из них обладают и беларусским гражданством, то есть не отказались от него в момент репатриации. Об освобождении одного из них, Артема, «Деталям» сообщили за несколько часов до данной...

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Translation:

Alexander Forman with his wife and child:

 

[Musashi]

Of couse most of the people are ordinary people who just bored with Lukashenko and demand their rights, i am fully agree with that.

It's nice to have some common ground.

However most of the opposition leaders and foreign supporters are not even pro-western, but usual anti-Russian crowd.

As I said, the opposition has no leaders. Tsikhanouska was Mrs nobody before she became a presidential candidate. After jailing her husband and banning more serious candidates, Lukashenko allowed her to register purely for shits and giggles, as he expected her to fail miserably.
Babaryko was said to be a pro-Russian candidate. At least, that's what the Polish press claims.
As you 100% correctly pointed out, Lukashenko's campaign revolved around reducing Russia's influence and making Belarus less dependent on Russia. After he realised the protests are not a joke, he ran to Putin in order to ask him for help.
Regarding Belarusians, no patriot, regardless of where they live, would be interested in his state industry being taken over by any country. The same problem existed in Poland and it had absolutely nothing to do with Russia.

Like in Ukraine, there is nationalists, pro-Poland and baltics elements, western supported anti-Russian organisations and so on. That sort of public will be happy to destroy own country to inflict even minor damage to Russia. Good that unlike in Ukraine, these groups have much smaller influence in Belarus.

Why do you think these people would be interested in destroying their country? Poland issues a sh1tload of Schengen visas for Belarusians every year, hundreds of thousands of them work in Poland or other EU countries. The same people can work in Russia, but most of them prefer to work in the EU after comparing Russia with the work conditions and wages in the EU. Can you blame them for that?
Comparing Belarus to Ukraine is like comparing apples to oranges. It does not make any sense as these two are so much different. There have always been very vocal anti-Russian elements in Ukraine, while there's nothing like that in Belarus. No sane Belarusians are interested in starting any sh1t against Russia or joining the NATO and nobody in the West encourages them to try it.

Again, "ss-ing" Belarusians is totally unnecessary unless somebody has a fetish for the Schutzstaffel

 

[berkut76]

Ukrainian Rock Groups recorded an awesome composition dedicated to Belarus protesters. It's called "Heroes". "Nothing can stop an idea whose time has come"

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[Mike1976]

"Nothing can stop an idea whose time has come"

Hehe. Obviously they haven't heard about Iran's Green Movement, the protests in Venezuela or those against Putin.

 

[berkut76]

Hehe. Obviously they haven't heard about Iran's Green Movement, the protests in Venezuela or those against Putin.

I think I'm the only only one on this forum who is fluent in Ukrainian, and this is the BEST patriotic song I've heard from the Ukrainian rock groups, and they released quite a few of these songs over the years. I hope there is a version of it in the works dedicated to the Ukrainian servicemen.

Going back to Belarus, one of the conspiracy theories that I've heard is that the whole military is on exercises away from the major cities so it could be easily controlled and should the need arise disarmed by the Russians or even by Belarus Police itself.

 

[morris]

Could you elaborate, as I cannot see anything more than trolling here?

Musashi said: "So, it's not about making Poland great again"

NEXTA trolling from Warsaw doesn't do any good for already tarnished Polish government image.

 

[morris]

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Pro-Lukashenko meeting in Minsk.

 

[Musashi]

Musashi said: "So, it's not about making Poland great again"

NEXTA trolling from Warsaw doesn't do any good for already tarnished Polish government image.

What does Belarus have to do with Poland? Is Poland going to invade Belarus or, perhaps, intend to take over Belarusian industry or make Belarus merge into Poland, the way Russia does?

Do you think telling the truth or broadcasting scenes from Belarus counts as trolling?

 

[Musashi]

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Pro-Lukashenko meeting in Minsk.

Which makes up 0.1% of the number during a usual anti-Lukashenko rally 1-3 days ago?

 

[morris]

telling the truth or broadcasting scenes from Belarus counts as trolling?

NEXTA tells lies and it is trolling.

 

[morris]

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Rally for Lukashenka in Bobruisk.
NEXTA lies about 0.1% debunked.

 

[Dercius]

Nothing in that article showed or even hinted Putin is in Lukas side, it actually shows that Putin is leaving him high and dry. By saying there is no need for military intervention, he practically told the west you wont be seeing Russian soldiers soon should you interfere.

Remember that nobody saw Russian soldiers in Crimea either ? ? , just some polite dudes, on unmarked uniforms with top notch gear & comms.
If EU decides to play the game, its going to be a cold winter in Europe and they are going to handle Belarus on a silver plate to Putin.
just my thoughts