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[Junglejim]

Ok, using the "criminals will always find a way" excuse to having a more stringent gun control is just not working. Mainly because a lot of this school shootings are done by non criminal entities using guns either bought over the counter or from their parents. So the easy access to firearms plays a huge role.

I doubt little timmy will go to a a Hells Angels bar in search for a semi automatic and 1900 rounds of ammo.

 

[TheKiwi]

But he probably will download that 3D printing diagram for a full-auto SMG that only needs two metal parts from the local plumbing store.

 

[Junglejim]

But he probably will download that 3D printing diagram for a full-auto SMG that only needs two metal parts from the local plumbing store.

wait till he switches from an arm brace to a real stock

 

[primer]

Drones were taxcindies big worry year before last.. able to perform all kinds of notorious stuff.
..Seeing whats haapening in Ukraine it won't be long till some copy cat.

 

[Telmar]

Crime and terrorism make their way through else where but usually actions are implemented against the organization : planners, suppliers, ideologues and what not.

What has been amazing in some places in the US is that in order to protect the right to gun ownership (like it was ever at stake) conditions have actually been softened to make it easier for anyone to have a gun.

Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law

Abbott, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick and other Republicans who were initially noncommittal about the bill were under immense political pressure this session from conservatives and gun rights advocates, who have long lobbied the Texas Legislature for permitless carry.

www.texastribune.org

 

[TheKiwi]

Part of the issue has traditionally been that places with training/licensing requirements have altered them to make it as impossible as they can, not out of a sense of safety but rather an ideological dislike of an armed populace. Where the training can only be completed on the 30th of February, or the local police department will only issue licenses to the Police Chiefs relatives and golf buddies. California is an excellent example of that.

 

[Jake84]

@TheKiwi, only a minor correction but the Paris attacks back in Nov 2015 and the casualties were for the most part resulting of the AK-47 the Jihadis bought and that probably come from some Balkans dodgy mafia…

It’s true they also used powerful suicide belts and explosive but that was after mass shooting the crowd at the terrace and the Bataclan concert hall. Just to finish the job which is a terrible wording.

The Stade de France (stadium) attacks plan were initially to get in the stadium during the game and blow themselves up in front of the camera, sort of a French 9/11 recorded on tape. Fortunately they couldn’t get in but also wounded and maimed people outside the stadium some of them bound to a wheelchair now.

 

[Deleted member 11302]

For all you gun-control proponents here; recently there have been massive protests and uprisings in Iran again, not that you would hear the legacy media report on it. Can't make Biden's and Obama's buddies look bad, afterall:

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Guy in the video screams "don't shoot". And that is what you get, when you live in a state of dependance on governmental clemency. And don't give me "yeah it's Iran". It could be anywhere, you're either armed or you're a serf who needs the state's acquiescence to breathe.

 

[AtlanticFriend]

For all you gun-control proponents here (...)

And that is what you get, when you live in a state of dependance on governmental clemency. And don't give me "yeah it's Iran". It could be anywhere, you're either armed or you're a serf who needs the state's acquiescence to breathe.

One could point out that Iran is an oppressive government and that there are other forms of government out there that don't seem to see their own citizens as enemies/serfs to be kept at gunpoint. Is your point that there would somehow exist no other option than either accepting mass school killings or allowing mass oppression by the government?

 

[Deleted member 11302]

One could point out that Iran is an oppressive government and that there are other forms of government out there that don't seem to see their own citizens as enemies/serfs to be kept at gunpoint. Is your point that there would somehow exist no other option than either accepting mass school killings or allowing mass oppression by the government?

You are right and what we've been witnessing these last two decades is how easily supposedly democratic governments will default to heavy handed authoritarianism, all for our own good of course.

It might still escape general attention but the western world is slowly creeping towards tyranny. The areas in the US that are the most heavily armed will likely be the last hold-outs and the best hope for future generations.

 

[Telmar]

Thank God those twenty children stood in the way of a tyrannical government entity that does'nt want to hand out weapons to loons.

No doubt people living in dictatorial countries and seeking to overthrow oppressive regimes will seek weapons to attack schools, religious congregations where many people from a different race or faith are present, or people working at their former employer who offended them.

Texans could buy guns for two hundred years and the only thing that changed was that some people wanted to broaden the customer base and increase the number of guns per household...which is a business decision, not one aimed at preserving the freedom of owning a weapon.

 

[primer]

The liberals gave us this godless society.
Say what you will of christian social engineering project.
Wasn't so long ago kids got taught morals.

 

[Junglejim]

The liberals gave us this godless society.
Say what you will of christian social engineering project.
Wasn't so long ago kids got taught morals.

Really? Then why is it in more liberal and "godless societies" there isnt as much children going to school and massacering their schoolmates?

 

[primer]

Use to be able to leave the car unlocked, not that long ago. In NZ.
Mass shooting in US occurred throughout the last century but only became popular recently. Since the 80's
You'd have to be living under a rock if you'd argue that conservative principles have been rapidly getting replaced by liberal with in that time. More drugs, more crime, homeless in those liberal cities. Giving, policing and liberally ignoring family breakdown it isn't teaching kids right from wrong. Its not a fix.
There I see the correlation.

 

[Telmar]

The liberals gave us this godless society.
Say what you will of christian social engineering project.
Wasn't so long ago kids got taught morals.

I don't think you need to find some kind of overlord responsible for this.

The kid who did this had issues, had been bullied in school and was mentally unstable.

He simply took advantage of laws that were recently weakened to go on a rampage with very powerful weapons.

 

[primer]

Bullying isn't new. But mental illness or stress in kids is according to the statisticians and suicide rates is increasing.
Bigger classes and schools, more anonymity for students so less help from the community.
Abbot said he will commit to mental health and if actually these phones are causing harm, no break from whatever the torment is.
They are living in a fairy land of online influencers. That word is enough to succinctly describe the toxic environment they spend most of their time on. Learning little about actual life.

 

[Junglejim]

Use to be able to leave the car unlocked, not that long ago. In NZ.
Mass shooting in US occurred throughout the last century but only became popular recently. Since the 80's
You'd have to be living under a rock if you'd argue that conservative principles have been rapidly getting replaced by liberal with in that time. More drugs, more crime, homeless in those liberal cities. Giving, policing and liberally ignoring family breakdown it isn't teaching kids right from wrong. Its not a fix.
There I see the correlation.

Mass shootings in the US has been a thing for centuries, hell the oldest known school shooting was in the 1700s.

Dont get me wrong, the NZ government is on the other end of the spectrum with the over reaction.

 

[primer]

Well he didn't have a phone, maybe the motive was to murder somebody. The kid spent time on his phone before the shooting. Previous one even live streamed it. Murdering people for online attention.
This liberal internet isn't pure in this argument.

 

[Telmar]

These issues are not simple. Society is going through enormous pressure these days...access to tons of information, lies, news, propaganda on social networks...change of work life style...

Some shootings are racially motivated, some are the act of insane people...and these people had access to powerful weapons just like tens of millions of decent Americans who use weapons for their protection using their right.

I really don't claim to have answer but I do think a management precept applies here: "think global, act local".

Pushing the issue away from what was really a simple act of purchasing a powerful weapon no questions asked to global problems with mental illness or "libéral ideology" isn't really going to change anything. Nor will banning guns all together.

If course these are important but it's wishful thinking. Schools do need to be secured with lockdown doors, cameras, probably one or two armed guards identified with specific clothing (and not arming teachers who might shoot each other or kids in a tense environment where an an unidentified shooter is on the loose).

And finally have politicians who don't make lax laws to please a lobby financing their campaign and hiding behind the 2nd amendment for it

 

[Junglejim]

Lets not overlook that the kid bought 2 Ar15s and 300 plus ammo in a single day to add to his 1300 rounds. Somehow I dont see your typical 18 years old from other countries being able to do that without raising questions.