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I didn't say it's merely an opinion did I?
My point is that there are always going to be some around. Getting majority behind you and making sure there is no institutional racism is what should be the goal.
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Black horsemen and women ride in Houston for George Floyd march
More than 60,000 people gathered in George Floyd's hometown of Houston, including a eye-catching posse of b...
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Dozens of demonstrators on horseback, with local media reporting at least one wearing a "Black Cowboys Matter" shirt, joined the massive, peaceful protest.
There is a video there, at about 0:23 a horse got exites and nearly ride into a tree.
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IN UNION THERE IS STRENGTH
I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.
When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.
We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.
James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Park. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.
Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.
James Mattis
You have this guy, this guy and a handful of others, how the hell do you only have Trump or Biden as a choice America?
I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.
When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.
We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.
James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Park. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.
Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.
James Mattis
You have this guy, this guy and a handful of others, how the hell do you only have Trump or Biden as a choice America?
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Molotov cocktail-tossing lawyers tried to pass out firebombs to protesters: feds
The two attorneys busted for throwing a Molotov cocktail through a police car window during protests in Brooklyn early Saturday were trying to pass out the incendiary devices to demonstrators in th…
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Police Chief: Arrested Looters in NYC Are Immediately Released Because of Bail-Reform Law | National Review
While city police made over 650 arrests on Monday night alone, New York City Police chief Terrence Monahan said that “just about all of them” will be released without bail.
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The protests in the U.S.A. attract many white people, while I can hardly see them here.
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What is going to be the next stage? Giving somebody a BJ?
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Oh, great. I just found out that a Black Lives Matter protest is scheduled for Friday evening near my home. In fact, like 500 yards from my home. The local police have urged businesses to close up early and board up their windows. It's being organized by a bunch of naive, stupid white kids, but it's being promoted on social media, so we expect people from all over. There have been several similar in my area that turned into an orgy of destruction and looting. I hope I don't need to pull out my Browning auto shotgun to protect my home and family. Many/most in my neighborhood are armed. I hope it's peaceful and nothing comes of it.
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I just wonder if this poor woman wasn't terrified or confused by it all.
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Yeah... this is what the USMC do to you.
I would have never thought James Mattis was only 32!
Bronzeville Business Owners Devastated After Being Targeted By Looters
The owner of a South Side business said he stood guard at his store trying to deter looters, but then it became too much.
chicago.cbslocal.com
Also two cops shot and one stabbed last night in NYC. They are alive though.
In other news, Obama addressed the nation and especially the Mayors to ask them to implement police forces reforms.
Ok, sure. But wasn't Obama the President of the US for 8 years?
As far as I can remember, the creation of the BLM movement and the various police brutality events that lead to its creation happened during his presidency.
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usa to england to brazil to france to ?
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There' s a lot of insanity out there, I don' t understand people in other countries protesting or kneeling or lying down, or even changing their picture on FB...What happens in the USA is interesting, but it is also about Americans.
In France , we certainly have had our share of issues. I saw that @Jake84 came back to me about the yellow vests and the "justice pour Adama" collective where the behavior of the police was put into light.
It' s difficult to compare everything because I think they are such different situations but if I would try to sum up how I feel about this, I' d go this way:
1) There are issues with racism in some police forces because when most people arrested are from minorities, you need to be a much better person than most not to become more suspicious and cautious about people from these minorities. Jesus would not be happy, and he would be right, but albeit he suffered dramatically for us all, he was' nt a police officer. We must fight these thoughts because a person is a person and we should' nt lump people into groups, but that is a daily fight, and a much harder one for people in harm' s way than a guy like me behind my keyboard.
2) There are issues with police training and management. I had a good friend here who was a former french police officer in paris in the seventies, and who then worked on immigration police and was hired by the Slovak police to help then get the Ukrainian border ready for Shengen. He went back to France and went into the training school as he was officially retired. The last time we talked about that, he told me the level of recruitments at all positions was just so low that he was very worried. No doubt low pay, no payment of overtime, danger, disconsideration in the population, does' nt make the job very attractive...
What happened with George Floyd happened with a white person in Dallas I think...It' s a mess of a procedure, and it' s quite unacceptable. Black people have the feeling it happens more to them because blacks are simply more involved in police arrests. For Adama Traore in France, the whole family is a criminal one and there was an arrest warrant for him. Was it necessary for several police (gendarmerie) to lay on his back for so long...I' ll risk it, I don' t think so. I don' t like the guy but once someone is under control, he is.
But even worse was that kid in a music concert in Nantes who fell into the river and drowned because police had decided to stop a concert by force in the dark and on a river bank, in an industrial area...because the law said it should be stopped at a given time. No doubt this does' nt help the police get a good image either.
And because mistakes are not enough aknowledged, because police officers and their managers are not sufficiently punished when doing something wrong, well then any action of the police is lablleled a police violence problem. Dumb teenager drives on the sidewalk with his motorcycle and gets killed when running into a pole? There was a police car nearby, it must be the fault of the police. Dumb teenager tries to beat a train at a crossing with his motorcycle? There was a police car nearby maybe they were chasing him. And noone should be chased....Good grief.
There will be casualties during actions of police, it cannot be otherwise...we just want to make sure that massive blunders, unacceptable behaviour are severly punished so there is no doubt when the police is at right.
3) Yellow vests in France complained about police brutatilities. There were some unnecessary actions by police, but clearly people in violent protests should know when to leave. I have no sympathy for them because for some, the overthrow of the government is the only thing they want. Demanding that Macron resigns...because they have no money is a democratic protest, but when looting stores then you have the right to be chased, disarmed, arrested...
In France , we certainly have had our share of issues. I saw that @Jake84 came back to me about the yellow vests and the "justice pour Adama" collective where the behavior of the police was put into light.
It' s difficult to compare everything because I think they are such different situations but if I would try to sum up how I feel about this, I' d go this way:
1) There are issues with racism in some police forces because when most people arrested are from minorities, you need to be a much better person than most not to become more suspicious and cautious about people from these minorities. Jesus would not be happy, and he would be right, but albeit he suffered dramatically for us all, he was' nt a police officer. We must fight these thoughts because a person is a person and we should' nt lump people into groups, but that is a daily fight, and a much harder one for people in harm' s way than a guy like me behind my keyboard.
2) There are issues with police training and management. I had a good friend here who was a former french police officer in paris in the seventies, and who then worked on immigration police and was hired by the Slovak police to help then get the Ukrainian border ready for Shengen. He went back to France and went into the training school as he was officially retired. The last time we talked about that, he told me the level of recruitments at all positions was just so low that he was very worried. No doubt low pay, no payment of overtime, danger, disconsideration in the population, does' nt make the job very attractive...
What happened with George Floyd happened with a white person in Dallas I think...It' s a mess of a procedure, and it' s quite unacceptable. Black people have the feeling it happens more to them because blacks are simply more involved in police arrests. For Adama Traore in France, the whole family is a criminal one and there was an arrest warrant for him. Was it necessary for several police (gendarmerie) to lay on his back for so long...I' ll risk it, I don' t think so. I don' t like the guy but once someone is under control, he is.
But even worse was that kid in a music concert in Nantes who fell into the river and drowned because police had decided to stop a concert by force in the dark and on a river bank, in an industrial area...because the law said it should be stopped at a given time. No doubt this does' nt help the police get a good image either.
And because mistakes are not enough aknowledged, because police officers and their managers are not sufficiently punished when doing something wrong, well then any action of the police is lablleled a police violence problem. Dumb teenager drives on the sidewalk with his motorcycle and gets killed when running into a pole? There was a police car nearby, it must be the fault of the police. Dumb teenager tries to beat a train at a crossing with his motorcycle? There was a police car nearby maybe they were chasing him. And noone should be chased....Good grief.
There will be casualties during actions of police, it cannot be otherwise...we just want to make sure that massive blunders, unacceptable behaviour are severly punished so there is no doubt when the police is at right.
3) Yellow vests in France complained about police brutatilities. There were some unnecessary actions by police, but clearly people in violent protests should know when to leave. I have no sympathy for them because for some, the overthrow of the government is the only thing they want. Demanding that Macron resigns...because they have no money is a democratic protest, but when looting stores then you have the right to be chased, disarmed, arrested...
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"Mr" Floyd?
Contrary to what his family wants us to believe, calling him a "gentle giant", he was a big troublemaker, involved in 1-2 armed robberies, and, before being restrained by the police, he tried to use a fake banknotte to pay for his shopping.
This guy was not an angel by any means.
Murder of George Floyd - Wikipedia
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"Mr" Floyd?
Contrary to what his family wants us to believe, calling him a "gentle giant", he was a big troublemaker, involved in 1-2 armed robberies, and, before being restrained by the police, he tried to use a fake banknotte to pay for his shopping.
This guy was not an angel by any means.
Murder of George Floyd - Wikipedia
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We all learn a thing or two when we dig a bit. He was past 46 year old though and maybe he attempted to redeem himself later in life.
Seriously though, it’s pretty common when one of these people gets killed at the hands of the police that his family will claim that he wouldn’t have hurt a fly etc.
What matters seems to be the circumstances of his death, rather than bashing the guys past. People will remember the incident with Chauvin, and that infamous video « I can’t breathe » last moments.
Personally I don’t make excuse for a criminal, but now Chauvin is charged with murder. Good luck with that too, in a prison with 80% black inmates
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"Mr" Floyd?
Contrary to what his family wants us to believe, calling him a "gentle giant", he was a big troublemaker, involved in 1-2 armed robberies, and, before being restrained by the police, he tried to use a fake banknotte to pay for his shopping.
This guy was not an angel by any means.
Murder of George Floyd - Wikipedia
He was being brought in for a misdeanor. Nothing justifies nine minutes of choking him, he did' nt die because he was restrained...You' d think by the actions of the police that he had just stabbed someone..
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By using a fake banknote?
We all learn a thing or two when we dig a bit. He was past 46 year old though and maybe he attempted to redeem himself later in life.
I know.
Floyd did not deserve to be killed. He was bad, but not so bad. The policemen phucked it up and they deserve to be punished.
Well, Derek's famous French name came to my mind instantly, right after it was revealed.Personally I don’t make excuse for a criminal, but now Chauvin is charged with murder. Good luck with that too, in a prison with 80% black inmates
Chauvinism - Wikipedia
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