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Russian ventilators sent to US made by firm under US sanctions

Ventilators delivered by Russia to the United States for coronavirus patients were manufactured by a Russian company that is under US sanctions, Russia's RBC business daily reported on Friday.

Russian state television footage of the plane's unloading showed boxes of "Aventa-M" ventilators, which are produced by the Ural Instrument Engineering Plant (UPZ) in the city of Chelyabinsk, 1,500 km (930 miles) east of Moscow, RBC reported.

UPZ is part of a holding company called Concern Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET), which itself is a unit of Russian state conglomerate Rostec.

KRET has been under US sanctions since July 2014, with US firms and nationals barred from doing business with it.

The issue was further complicated by the question of whether it was the United States or Russia's sovereign wealth fund RDIF, which was added to US sectoral sanctions in 2015, that paid for the ventilators.

A senior administration official on Friday said sanctions did not apply to medical supplies.

The United States is purchasing the supplies and equipment outright, as with deliveries from other countries. The Russian Direct Investment Fund is subject to certain debt and equity-related sectoral sanctions, which would not apply to transactions for the provision of medical equipment and supplies," the official said.

Trump on Thursday described the Russian shipment as containing "a lot of medical, high-quality stuff" which could save a lot of lives and said he'd "take it every day" if he had the opportunity.

But debate over who picked up the tab persisted.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said Moscow had paid half the cost with the other half picked up by Washington, though the Trump administration official later said the United States had picked up the whole tab.

On Friday a spokesperson from the RDIF said the fund stood by its earlier statement that it had paid for half of the bill. The comments got another pushback from Washington.

The Trump administration official insisted the United States paid the entire cost of the shipment and dismissed the Russian investment fund's contention that the cost was split.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova expressed surprise and disappointment that anyone was questioning what Moscow has cast as a sincere goodwill gesture meant to help the United States at a time of crisis.

"Aren't ventilators needed in the United States?," she said, saying Russia could take them back if they were not wanted.

Rostec, the state conglomerate which ultimately owns the Russian ventilator plant, told Reuters that its units were producing ventilators for the domestic market as part of the Russian government's measures to fight the virus.
The decision to ship its products internationally was the prerogative of the Russian president and government, it said.
 
Doubling time
Up to date for 3 April 8 AM, for the 30 most-affected territories ordered by number of confirmed cases

NameCasesWasDoubled inWasDeathsWasDoubled inWas
World
1,000,249
928,437
8 days
8 days
51,515
46,891
7 days
7 days
USA​
245,540​
216,721​
6 days​
5 days​
6,053​
5,183​
4 days​
3 days​
Italy​
115,242​
110,574​
12 days​
11 days​
13,917​
13,157​
9 days​
9 days​
Spain​
110,238​
102,136​
8 days​
7 days​
10,003​
9,503​
6 days​
6 days​
China​
82,465​
82,395​
53 days​
52 days​
3,326​
3,316​
48 days​
47 days​
Germany​
79,696​
73,522​
7 days​
7 days​
1,017​
872​
5 days​
4 days​
France​
59,105​
56,989​
7 days​
7 days​
4,503​
4,032​
6 days​
5 days​
Iran​
50,468​
47,539​
9 days​
9 days​
3,326​
3,036​
12 days​
12 days​
UK​
33,718​
29,474​
6 days​
5 days​
2,921​
2,532​
3 days​
3 days​
Switzerland​
18,844​
17,070​
9 days​
9 days​
536​
378​
4 days​
6 days​
Turkey​
18,135​
15,679​
5 days​
4 days​
356​
277​
3 days​
3 days​
Belgium​
15,348​
13,964​
6 days​
6 days​
1,011​
828​
4 days​
4 days​
Netherlands​
14,697​
13,614​
8 days​
7 days​
1,339​
1,173​
5 days​
5 days​
Canada​
11,268​
9,595​
5 days​
5 days​
138​
109​
4 days​
5 days​
Austria​
11,129​
10,711​
9 days​
8 days​
158​
146​
5 days​
4 days​
South Korea​
10,062​
9,976​
31 days​
30 days​
174​
169​
16 days​
16 days​
Portugal​
9,034​
8,251​
6 days​
6 days​
209​
187​
5 days​
5 days​
Brazil​
7,910​
6,836​
5 days​
5 days​
299​
241​
4 days​
4 days​
Israel​
6,252​
5,591​
6 days​
6 days​
34​
21​
3 days​
5 days​
Sweden​
5,466​
4,947​
8 days​
8 days​
282​
239​
4 days​
3 days​
Australia​
5,224​
4,976​
9 days​
8 days​
23​
21​
8 days​
8 days​
Norway​
4,935​
4,665​
10 days​
10 days​
42​
32​
5 days​
5 days​
Czechia​
3,858​
3,589​
8 days​
7 days​
44​
39​
4 days​
3 days​
Ireland​
3,849​
3,447​
7 days​
7 days​
98​
85​
4 days​
4 days​
Russia​
3,548​
2,777​
4 days​
4 days​
30​
24​
3 days​
2 days​
Chile​
3,404​
3,031​
6 days​
6 days​
18​
16​
3 days​
2 days​
Denmark​
3,386​
3,107​
9 days​
9 days​
123​
104​
6 days​
5 days​
Ecuador​
3,163​
2,758​
7 days​
7 days​
120*​
146​
–​
2 days​
Malaysia​
3,116​
2,908​
10 days​
10 days​
50​
45​
7 days​
7 days​
Poland​
2,946​
2,554​
6 days​
6 days​
57​
43​
4 days​
4 days​
Romania​
2,738​
2,460​
6 days​
6 days​
94​
85​
3 days​
3 days​
*) Adjusted by national authorities.
 
How the Bay Area got a jump start on the coronavirus — and the country missed a chance

A small survey in early March of Santa Clara County residents who had respiratory symptoms but did not have the flu found that 11% of them tested positive for the coronavirus. — striking findings that helped trigger an aggressive public health response and eventually the Bay Area shelter-in-place orders, according to a report released Friday.

The study, published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was among the first in the United States to use community surveillance — which involves testing large groups of individuals — to determine how widely the virus was spreading.

The results suggest that early, large-scale community surveillance across the country would have identified outbreaks early on, before they could spread beyond control, infectious disease experts said.


“Look at how easy this was to do. Why wasn’t everybody doing it? We could have jumped on this so much faster,” said John Swartzberg, a UC Berkeley infectious disease expert. “It didn’t break my heart to read this, but it put a little dent in it.”

This was something we here in Santa Clara County were very interested in, even a month before a study was able to be done,” said Dr. George Han, deputy health officer in Santa Clara County and senior author of the study. “There were limitations in getting something like this started. Ideally, we would have liked to have it earlier. And I think we weren’t alone. I think folks in health departments around the country would have liked it.”

The surveillance study was small due to the lack of testing supplies, and took place over a few days, from March 5 to March 14.

Santa Clara County issued its first social distancing guidelines — recommending that gatherings of more than 1,000 people be canceled — on March 9, while the study was still under way. The advisories grew increasingly more demanding over the following week.

The study was completed on March 14. By then, the number of cases reported in Santa Clara County had increased nearly fivefold since March 5 — from 20 to 91. The day after the study ended, Santa Clara County health officer Sara Cody called a meeting with other Bay Area public health officials and recommended a regional shelter-in-place order.

Six Bay Area counties announced the order on March 16, and it went into effect on March 17, making the Bay Area the first place in the country to begin sheltering in place. Gov. Gavin Newsom issued a statewide stay-home order a few days after that, and now more than half of the country is under some form of shelter-in-place directive.

But in some places the stay-home orders may have come too late. New York state residents began sheltering in place just a few days after Californians, but by then their outbreak was already out of control and now hospitals are overwhelmed with patients.
 
Under the health act they have done just that, no hunting, tramping and anything they deem risky that could even remotely or not at all involve SAR. Conversely in the US they were telling them to get out and do those things.
 
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Russia. Report on 04 april. Situation is stabilised, after highest daily numbers two days ago, for last two days numbers stayed at slightly less level.

4731 total cases (582 new), 43 dead (9 new), 333 recovered (52 new).
 
It does seem clearer now that there are less emergency calls and less people needing ICU's in the East of France. Crossing fingers for the numbers to start going down.

Also, I think that regardless of disastrous impreparation of authorities in France, disastrous government communication, couter-productive actions of opposition parties wanting the elections to take place so Macron and his followers could be taught a hard lesson, some amazing things have been done.

The air force with the use of a medicalized aircraft to lighten the load by transporting sick people to regions with free capacities, the conversion of high speed trains to the same purpose (unseen since the war)., a tremendous increase in IC units...Help by our less swamped German friends is also something to cherish.

There needs to be a very serious inquiry about masks, organization, poor directives, perhaps insufficient use of the private sector clinics that have unused potential...but some amazing things have been done by people who put their sh!t together to remedy the situation instead of complaining.



 
Russia. Report on 04 april. Situation is stabilised, after highest daily numbers two days ago, for last two days numbers stayed at slightly less level.

4731 total cases (582 new), 43 dead (9 new), 333 recovered (52 new).

I hope it is AND.

There are rumours that the official numbers are not real however.

What do you think?

 
I hope it is AND.

There are rumours that the official numbers are not real however.
What do you think?

I think official numbers are much close to real then numbers in most of EU countries.

I see this 'rumors' as usual western/anti-russian propaganda. You can't hide anything in Russia where is the cheapest internet on the planet and everyone has a smartphone with camera. There were few cases when casualties were not counted (test results was not ready at the moment or someone died in hospital, where most covid patients treated, but haven't coronovirus at all). Every such cases start a real shiitstorm in internet and media and researched very accurately both by officials and media.


Vasilieva is the frontman of fake organisation 'Doctor's alliance' that popped up when coronovirus crisis began and a single task of the organisation is the anti-government propaganda. They has none connection to the real medical society in Russia and they are very close to the other fake 'non-government organisations' in Russia that connected with Navalny (who is just a US-puppet).

Vasilieva and 'Doctor's alliance' are very unrelible and biased sources to say at least.
 
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You base this on?

Numbers in Russia still relatively low and easy to check, at least beside Moscow. Local authorities give a full (without personal data of couse) information about every patient (date of arrival from abroad, country and dates of visit, date of positive test results, age, condition and so on). Then government publish daily report, that is also very detailed (cases by every regions etc). Think in countries with greater numbers of patients and overloaded healthcare system it is not even possible to check every case.

Also i read in this thread in some european countries are qustionable rules of counting a casualties (not count persons who died at home/not in hospital). Also limited number of test kits and other reasons.
 
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Local authorities give a full (without personal data of couse) information about every patient (date of arrival from abroad, country and dates of visit, date of positive test results, age, condition and so on).

The authorities here simply are not allowed to release that detailed information about patients.

However they now do release number of cases in every municipality, number of tests performed etc.


However I think only way people living in these areas could do something about this, is if we were told the exact locations, with GPS tracking...
 
Maria doesn't mess about .. she tore him apart !! The CEO is a stuttering Chufter

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Apparently, around 15% of the cats in Wuhan have been tested positive for covid-19.
Cat-astrophe. I hope they're not pussy footing around. Meanwhile, at 3M..

POLITICS
Trump bans export of coronavirus protection gear, says he’s ‘not happy with 3M’

“We’re not happy with 3M. We’re not at all happy with 3M. And the people who dealt with it directly are not happy with 3M,” Trump said at a White House press briefing Friday evening.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/03/cor...ort-of-protective-gear-after-slamming-3m.html
 
I think official numbers are much close to real then numbers in most of EU countries.
I'd say the 37% spike in "pneumonia" cases in January in Moscow that was tuned into much lower numbers in March raises a few questions :D
 

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