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Non-integrated isn't ideal really, but good to get testing underway.
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Non-integrated isn't ideal really, but good to get testing underway.
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As usual only foreign websites have reported this
I just finished reading the government letter the article references and it mentions 72 additional boxers instead of equipping existing ones with the RCT30 module, which also includes an integrated ATGM launcher. Command, engineer and cargo variants only, but not enough to replace all of the existing vehicles of those categories. "Reinforcing" in this is in regard to the firepower rather than numbers.
The Boxer entered service in 2013 and as there are no plans to expand any units I assume the oldest vehicles will be going out of service and (50/50 chance) into a certain warzone or into storage.
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Integrating it and then starting tests would waste another 3-5 years (no doubt because German government).
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On Friday September 27 the RNLAF will commemorate the official decommissioning of the F-16 with a formation fly-past across the country over (former) airbases, practice areas, air traffic control and maintenance locations.
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The Dutch navy is pushing ahead with the plan of acquiring two Multifunctional Support Ships based on the Fast Crew Supplier from Damen, (semi-)autonomous ships to increase the firepower of the LCFs using as many off the shelf components as possible.
The ships will rely on the frigate for radar, but will be outfitted with underwater sensors and an EW suite (both offensive and defensive) as well as passive detection of enemy sensors.
The Barak-ER SAM has been selected along with the Harop loitering munition. Both will be launched from containers.
(Also to repel boarders .50 cals)
As the SM-2 missile is no longer in production the navy is looking to replace the missile on the LCFs and the Barak is one of the contenders (also probably for the Future ASWF?). The navy would prefer to use the same missile on both platforms.
The first ship is planned to reach operational status in 2026 (seems overly optimistic to me) and the second one in 2027.
The ships will initially be used on the North Sea.
If the ships are successful the intention is to order more.
Source: marineschepen.nl
The ships will rely on the frigate for radar, but will be outfitted with underwater sensors and an EW suite (both offensive and defensive) as well as passive detection of enemy sensors.
The Barak-ER SAM has been selected along with the Harop loitering munition. Both will be launched from containers.
(Also to repel boarders .50 cals)
As the SM-2 missile is no longer in production the navy is looking to replace the missile on the LCFs and the Barak is one of the contenders (also probably for the Future ASWF?). The navy would prefer to use the same missile on both platforms.
The first ship is planned to reach operational status in 2026 (seems overly optimistic to me) and the second one in 2027.
The ships will initially be used on the North Sea.
If the ships are successful the intention is to order more.
Source: marineschepen.nl
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In all fairness, it makes sense that way.
Navalising a system is no mean feat. Right now, the only proof of IRIS-T SLM being able to be fielded on a naval vessel is Diehl's pitch of the idea. Wouldn't be the first time for a land warfare systems company to underestimate the challenge. For example, the Monarc programme (strapping a PzH 2000 turret onto an F124 class frigate) also seemed great in principle, only to be proven highly impractical.
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I'm not talking about practical matters, I'm talking about the paperwork and the time it takes for politicians and public servants alike to get off their asses and do something. A marathon of rubberstamping to get anything done and most of what they do still ends up going wrong.
If you want it to take two weeks to change a light bulb, leave it to the government.
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New Dutch Navy Support Vessels Will Be Missile-Toting Wingmen To Frigates
Small and with a tiny crew, the new support vessels will add important magazine capacity to frigates, and launch loitering munitions. Small and with a tiny crew, the new support vessels will add important magazine capacity to frigates, and launch loitering munitions.
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30th Sept 2024. The Netherlands has officially awarded the French defence company Naval Group to start constructing four new Orka-class submarines to replace its aging Walrus-class submarines.
Dutch Command Materiel and IT Commander Jan Willem Hartman said that the Orka-class was chosen as the best replacement via a thorough procurement process.
Based on Naval Group’s Barracuda design, the planned subs will be the HNLMS Orka (Orca), HNLMS Zwaardvis (Swordfish), HNLMS Barracuda, and HNLMS Tijgerhaai (Tiger Shark). The first two submarines are expected to be delivered by 2034.
Dutch Command Materiel and IT Commander Jan Willem Hartman said that the Orka-class was chosen as the best replacement via a thorough procurement process.
Based on Naval Group’s Barracuda design, the planned subs will be the HNLMS Orka (Orca), HNLMS Zwaardvis (Swordfish), HNLMS Barracuda, and HNLMS Tijgerhaai (Tiger Shark). The first two submarines are expected to be delivered by 2034.
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The first steel for the future portuguese drone carrier Dom João II was cut yesterday at the Damen shipyard in Romania
www.marinha.pt
Futuro navio da Marinha teve o corte da primeira chapa e a tradicional fixação de uma moeda
A plataforma Naval Multifuncional, designada por NRP Dom João II, obtida através do financiamento no âmbito do Plano de Recuperação e Resiliência (PRR), teve hoje, 3 de outubro, o corte simbólico da primeira chapa e a tradicional colocação de uma moeda numa antepara, numa cerimónia que decorreu...
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Fancy way of saying "corruption" and "incompetence".
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The first steel for the future portuguese drone carrier Dom João II was cut yesterday at the Damen shipyard in Romania
Futuro navio da Marinha teve o corte da primeira chapa e a tradicional fixação de uma moeda
A plataforma Naval Multifuncional, designada por NRP Dom João II, obtida através do financiamento no âmbito do Plano de Recuperação e Resiliência (PRR), teve hoje, 3 de outubro, o corte simbólico da primeira chapa e a tradicional colocação de uma moeda numa antepara, numa cerimónia que decorreu...
Damen holds joint steel cutting and keel laying ceremony for Portuguese Navy’s Multi-Purpose Ship - Naval News
Damen Shipyards Group held a joint steel cutting and keel laying ceremony of the Multi-Purpose Ship for the Portuguese Navy.
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Be careful what you wish for Netherlands....though it might work out for you as you are just "over the road" from France and maybe have a better working relationship.
The Shortfin Barracuda is a conventionally powered variant of a nuclear boat, sold to no other country with nobody else running the conventional boat. Australia pulled the pin for 12 boats after the $50bn project had blown out to $90bn and an additional $145bn operating costs without a weld being laid.
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It was chosen because it's the cheapest due to the price being artificially lowered just to get the contract. The other candidates offered more subcontracting for Dutch industry and basic maintenance by third parties.Be careful what you wish for Netherlands....though it might work out for you as you are just "over the road" from France and maybe have a better working relationship.
The Shortfin Barracuda is a conventionally powered variant of a nuclear boat, sold to no other country with nobody else running the conventional boat. Australia pulled the pin for 12 boats after the $50bn project had blown out to $90bn and an additional $145bn operating costs without a weld being laid.
Naval only gives Dutch industry scraps and all maintenance is contractually obligated to be done by Naval itself. That's how they keep the initial purchasing price low; you get bent over the barrel on upkeep during the lifetime of the boats.
And as BravoZulu said Naval has practically no experience at building conventional subs which increases the chance of blowing way over budget unlike both TKMS and Saab/Damen who have exported dozens of conventionally powered subs all over the world.
One of the main reasons Naval was chosen was to gain French support for Mark Rutte's job as SG of NATO.
Footage has been released of the French Navy's counter-drone and anti-sea drone exercises. The use of an EBRC Jaguar armoured reconnaissance vehicle is also shown, having been loaded onto a ship. Repurposed motorboats and jet skis were used as sea drones. The drones were attacked with all types of weapons, including ABM airburst projectiles
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The German Army has selected General Dynamics to supply up to 252 armoured reconnaissance vehicles based on the Piranha V. Dubbed Corsac (a kind of steppe fox), the vehicle will differ from the existing Piranha V by its 6×6 configuration and lighter armour to facilitate amphibic operations. Corsac will be armed with a 25 mm auto cannon (the turret has been pre-selected to equip all upcoming combat vehicles smaller than a Boxer) and unspecified surveillance systems. It will party replace the Fennek scout car (probably 92 of them, to be precise), with deliveries expected to commence in 2026. (Source) Boxer, CAVS, now Piranha V, that's quite the zoo.
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Ireland is to spend tens of millions of euro on a new anti-aircraft missile system for the Defence Forces, it has emerged.
Sources say the final cost of the system – which will be expected to have the capability to blast targets out of the sky up to a range of 40km – is likely to be as much as €100million.
The planned air defence system is part of the Government’s plan of around €300million to establish Ireland’s first military radar system. At present, Ireland has no way of knowing what planes are in our skies if they turn off their transponders that allow them to be detected by the state’s civilian radar scheme. That means we can’t track foreign military aircraft - or even planes that are trying to smuggle in drugs - if they turn off the transponders.
The planned air defence system is part of the Government’s plan of around €300million to establish Ireland’s first military radar system. At present, Ireland has no way of knowing what planes are in our skies if they turn off their transponders that allow them to be detected by the state’s civilian radar scheme. That means we can’t track foreign military aircraft - or even planes that are trying to smuggle in drugs - if they turn off the transponders.
Ireland has had no functioning aircraft system for at least two years. The Defence Forces does have a Swedish-made Saab RBS-70 missile system – with a range of 5km – but we reported in April 2023 that the military could not deploy it for the visit of US President Joe Biden because the Giraffe radar it uses was broken.
Now the government plans to overhaul the entire air defence system – and buy a new missile system. One likely candidate, sources have said, is an upgraded version of the RBS-70. The RBS-23 also uses a modern Giraffe radar system – but has a much longer range than the RBS-70. It can reach an altitude of 15km – or almost 50,000ft – as well as a range of 20km.
That would cost around €100million for the unit, radar and missiles, sources say. As well as taking out planes, it can also hit drones and even cruise missiles. Another possibility is the French-made VL-MICA, but that would be more expensive, around €150million.
A Department of Defence briefing paper, seen by The Irish Mirror, says progress has been made on the scheme, but concedes it will be expensive.
It reads: "A civil / military project team are continuing their work of research into various delivery options as well as determining the appropriate procurement strategy for the military radar programme. Governance structures to manage this programme of work are also in place. Significant progress has been made to date but we are still at the early stages of this project.
"In line with Infrastructure Guidelines, it is expected that the requirement phase will be completed by the end of 2024.
"This will be an expensive capability to deliver and maintain and before any spending commitments are made the full rigour of the Public Spending Code/Infrastructure Guidelines must be applied to ensure that the taxpayer gets best value for money."
The Giraffe radar system for the current RBS-70 system used by the Defence Forces. Both it and the missile system are to be replaced.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/defence-forces-multi-million-missile-33831300
Sources say the final cost of the system – which will be expected to have the capability to blast targets out of the sky up to a range of 40km – is likely to be as much as €100million.
The planned air defence system is part of the Government’s plan of around €300million to establish Ireland’s first military radar system. At present, Ireland has no way of knowing what planes are in our skies if they turn off their transponders that allow them to be detected by the state’s civilian radar scheme. That means we can’t track foreign military aircraft - or even planes that are trying to smuggle in drugs - if they turn off the transponders.
The planned air defence system is part of the Government’s plan of around €300million to establish Ireland’s first military radar system. At present, Ireland has no way of knowing what planes are in our skies if they turn off their transponders that allow them to be detected by the state’s civilian radar scheme. That means we can’t track foreign military aircraft - or even planes that are trying to smuggle in drugs - if they turn off the transponders.
Ireland has had no functioning aircraft system for at least two years. The Defence Forces does have a Swedish-made Saab RBS-70 missile system – with a range of 5km – but we reported in April 2023 that the military could not deploy it for the visit of US President Joe Biden because the Giraffe radar it uses was broken.
Now the government plans to overhaul the entire air defence system – and buy a new missile system. One likely candidate, sources have said, is an upgraded version of the RBS-70. The RBS-23 also uses a modern Giraffe radar system – but has a much longer range than the RBS-70. It can reach an altitude of 15km – or almost 50,000ft – as well as a range of 20km.
That would cost around €100million for the unit, radar and missiles, sources say. As well as taking out planes, it can also hit drones and even cruise missiles. Another possibility is the French-made VL-MICA, but that would be more expensive, around €150million.
A Department of Defence briefing paper, seen by The Irish Mirror, says progress has been made on the scheme, but concedes it will be expensive.
It reads: "A civil / military project team are continuing their work of research into various delivery options as well as determining the appropriate procurement strategy for the military radar programme. Governance structures to manage this programme of work are also in place. Significant progress has been made to date but we are still at the early stages of this project.
"In line with Infrastructure Guidelines, it is expected that the requirement phase will be completed by the end of 2024.
"This will be an expensive capability to deliver and maintain and before any spending commitments are made the full rigour of the Public Spending Code/Infrastructure Guidelines must be applied to ensure that the taxpayer gets best value for money."
The Giraffe radar system for the current RBS-70 system used by the Defence Forces. Both it and the missile system are to be replaced.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/defence-forces-multi-million-missile-33831300
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Does anyone here know what inertial positioning devices are like?
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Inertial positioning devices are procured for the defense forces
Defense Minister Antti Häkkänen has authorized the Finnish Defense Forces to sign a framework agreement on inertial positioning devices.
- The acquisition will develop the ability of all defense branches to maintain GNSS-independent location information and to determine the exact direction of weapon systems, Minister Häkkänen states.
The contract includes procurement of inertial positioning devices in the years 2024–2031. The equipment is supplied by the French company Safran Electronics & Defence.
The total value of the acquisition without value added tax, including options, is 48 million euros.
Puolustusvoimille hankitaan inertiapaikannuslaitteita
Puolustusministeri Antti Häkkänen on valtuuttanut Puolustusvoimat allekirjoittamaan inertiapaikannuslaitteita koskevan puitesopimuksen.www.defmin.fi
Land INS | Safran Federal Systems
Safran’s land inertial navigation systems service precision north finding and navigation solutions across land mobile platforms in GNSS denied environments. Our product family offers industry-leading pointing accuracy and acquisition times in packages with an MTBF of over 100,000hrs.
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The purchase of the Leopard 2A8 for the Dutch army has now been made with 46 vehicles and an option for an additional 6 to complete the battalion (I'm guessing they ran out of money and so pushing it to the next fiscal year). First deliveries projected in 2027.
Also an order has been placed for 4 additional SHORAD (Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace's Nomad) and 6 additional MRAD (NASAM, also from Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace) launchers and several more fire control units. Delivery expected starting in 2028.
(Funnily enough the media says it's replacing current systems while on the MoD's own project page it clearly states that they're additions rater than replacements).
Also funny that they choose to buy NASAMs again since operators and leadership have complained ever since it was first purchased in 2006 that it plainly doesn't work (I'm not aware of any other country having these issues).
www.kongsberg.com
Also an order has been placed for 4 additional SHORAD (Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace's Nomad) and 6 additional MRAD (NASAM, also from Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace) launchers and several more fire control units. Delivery expected starting in 2028.
(Funnily enough the media says it's replacing current systems while on the MoD's own project page it clearly states that they're additions rater than replacements).
Also funny that they choose to buy NASAMs again since operators and leadership have complained ever since it was first purchased in 2006 that it plainly doesn't work (I'm not aware of any other country having these issues).
Netherlands to acquire NASAMS and NOMADS air defence systems from KONGSBERG
The government of the Netherlands has announced plans to acquire NASAMS and NOMADS air defence systems from Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace (‘KONGSBERG’) in a deal expected to be valued at approximately NOK 11 billion.
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