Politics The EU is killing Europe

[muck]

Maybe you don't remember, but the refugee crisis was already well underway in 2015 when Merkel opened Germany's borders and had that infamous selfie taken with an asylum seeker.

The numbers had been steadily increasing since 2012. So, no, she didn't order it; the truth is much more mundane (and frightening at the same time). She was merely incompetent and ignored the warnings of her own minister of the interior. Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

As an aside, we also have to thank the "Coalition of the Willing" for the past ten years. Without "Iraqi Freedom", there would've never been an Al Quaeda in Iraq; which in turn would've never morphed into the Islamic State; which in turn would've never prompted one of the biggest refugee waves since the Second World War. It's somewhat ironic the American right is so deeply invested in the refugee crisis, considering their erstwhile approval of that useless war.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

No offence to you, but that's an argument that's always puzzled me. Surely, the EU can't be too overbearing and too passive at the same time?

One can lead to another.

Same thing happens in society through passive acceptance. Slowly but surely what was the exception becomes the norm, and then the rule. Once it got accepted, you can more easily implement laws and legal framework to cement whatever you are trying to put in place.

The concept of influence applies to many fields and to many time frames.

It is social engineering, simple as that.


As for it being the law, well, yes, it is the law. But does one must abide by the law if it means certain death? (to put it in a mildly prosaic way)

 

[Musashi]

Well, that's because they violated the Dublin Agreement.

That's because the Polish government at the time announced its intention to conduct pushbacks, which are illegal. A legal alternative would've been detaining arrivals for the time of their being processed into the system.

It's not a viable alternative. These illegals would eventually get to your country anyway. We placed them in open refugee centres and they were fvcking off like no tomorrow. If we placed them in closed refugee centres, we could not keep them there forever. Let's say, a "refugee" from Iraq or Syria was placed in such a centre and their governments did not want to take them back. Then, activists were engaging MPs and lawyers to release these Third-Worlders, saying these refugee centres are "prisons" and there were no grounds to keep the illegals there for more than a few months. Eventually. they were released and ended up fleeing to Germany.
The legal procedure is pretty idiotic and gives right-wing parties new voters, exactly the way it happens in Germany.
Let's say, the UK spends £7 million on illegals every day. Poland is not so rich and we cannot afford it. When some idiots were writing the Dublin Agreement, they did not predict that somebody could start a hybrid war against Poland and flood us with illegals, opening an artificial migrant route. Nobody thought about what to do with the illegals who could not be deported either.

 

[Musashi]

BTW
A refugee centre in Poland referred to as a "prison" by far-left activists:

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This deportation centre was built in Eisenhüttenstadt, right on the Polish border:

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Polish right-wing channels brought it up just before the presidential elections in Poland, which are tomorrow.

 

[haze99]

Yep, I recall...back around 2006 or 2007 on the now defunct militaryphotos.net website. Thare were some malcontents then, that said this was NOT happening. (muslim. No-Go Zones in Paris) And the articles or reports of such were "tin foil hattery"...

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Ivan, Token White Guy & Riderboy, to a name a few, are vindicated. Not that they wanted this to happen. (far from it it)

 

[Ivan le Fou]

The question I am having now is: were things less worse, as bad, or worse than they are today.

Obviously, there were no-go zones. Wether explicitly or implicitly, there were neighborhoods you wouldn't go to either as a local or as a tourist. Just like there are neighborhoods you avoid in every country, because they are not safe, but also because there is no point in being there if it isn't the place you live in.

Will you get mugged, assaulted, harassed, etc... maybe, maybe not.
Are you more likely to get mugged, assaulted, harassed, etc... in popular and touristic areas? That's open to debate.

Anyway, are things worse because they are actually, and verifiably, worse? Or do we get the perception they are worse simply because we are looking at them more than we used to.

 

[muck]

I can only answer that question for Germany: Yes and no. The highest number of crimes in this country was recorded in 1993. It's gone steadily down since then, with a few outliers here and there. However, crime rates have been rising again since 2021 across all strata of society, and certain kinds of crime (molestation, assault with a bladed weapon, petty theft, drug-related offences) have gone up sharpish. I guess, you could summarise the situation like this: You're less likely than (almost) ever before to fall victim to a crime in Germany; but you're more likely to fall victim to a crime where the victim is chosen at random.

Migration has caused a noticeable surge in street crime (interestingly, the worst offenders aren't Syrian or Afghan refugees but regular migrants from North Africa). Another factor is a general sentiment of grumpiness (for lack of a better word) in German society often blamed on social cohesion taking a hit during Covid. For example, road rage violence has become endemic recently.

 

[haze99]

The replacement, thats not happening. We are told...

Nearly Half of London's Social Housing Properties Inhabited by Migrants

Almost half of the social housing properties in London are reportedly being occupied by families with a migrant head of household.

www.breitbart.com