Politics The 2020 American Presidential Election
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Didn't Biden just say - for all it's worth - that there won't be any impeachment and the fastest way to end Trump's term is to prepare for the 20th of January?
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Main social networks and other internet services started ban Trump team and supporters. Twitter, Google, Youtube, Discord, Pinterest, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitch and others.
At some point they must realise they can't ban accounts in alternative (non-US) services and next step will be nothing but China-like firewall.
US democracy was always a half-assed, when there were no any chances for any independent politicians\parties. Only 2 parties were allowed, and most of the time they looked like a two wing of one party. Now it is all degrades at full speed to the one-partysystem regime.
At some point they must realise they can't ban accounts in alternative (non-US) services and next step will be nothing but China-like firewall.
US democracy was always a half-assed, when there were no any chances for any independent politicians\parties. Only 2 parties were allowed, and most of the time they looked like a two wing of one party. Now it is all degrades at full speed to the one-party
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Main social networks and other internet services started ban Trump team and supporters. Twitter, Google, Youtube, Discord, Pinterest, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitch and others.
At some point they must realise they can't ban accounts in alternative (non-US) services and next step will be nothing but China-like firewall.
US democracy was always a half-assed, when there were no any chances for any independent politicians\parties. Only 2 parties were allowed, and most of the time they looked like a two wing of one party. Now it is all degrades at full speed to the one-partysystemregime.
It's all going a bit night of the long knives for me AND .
Trump with 70 million votes. They are still scared of him.
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More vids of the behaviour of the unhinged Trump mob at the Capitol released:
Forcing their way into Capitol, crushing a police officer in the process:
'Hang Mike Pence' chants:
'Heads on spikes':
Forcing their way into Capitol, crushing a police officer in the process:
'Hang Mike Pence' chants:
'Heads on spikes':
I've watched the bottom video you ve posted and I've got to say pretty much all of their grievances are very much valid . Trump or no trump that anger still exists and for good reason . Personally the decision to start shutting down media for certain sections of American society is a huge mistake , but those powers seem to be acting just like trump . They are what they accuse the other side of being . Shadow psychosis as observed by Carl Jung .
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Feel free to give me the examples of Trump pampering White-Supremacist groups. But allow me to preempt you, if you have only the Proud Boys or the Charlottesville examples to give then spare yourself the embarrassment.
Well I guess it comes down to a matter of perspective, doesn't it? For someone who is as hostile to Iran's regime as I am, the elimination of Soleimani was a resounding success. Trump's Maximum-Pressure campaign (which wasn't even maximum pressure) kept billions of $ out of IRGC hands, success! The degradation of the Iranian economy which is heavily state-run, corrupt and largely in the hands of regime cronies is a success! Shall I go on?
Aah! Now here comes the onion. So the hostility between Iran and Israel is just tow states vying for regional supremacy? I might even believe you've managed to convince yourself of this nonsense. Do two states vying for dominance usually involve one government calling for the annihiliation of the other state and its people? No ideology involved there? Then why do Iran's officials deny the Holocaust? Why do they keep harping on about the "plight of the poor Palestinians"? It is in Iran's inherent national interst to antagonise Israel? Please explain that to me and repudiate my stance with your impeccaby qualitative arguments!
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#1: So you paint yourself as someone without any ethics or personal standards. You pragmatically side with the currently ruling islamists despite your personal preferences, right? Then why are you so agitated and outraged about Trump's supposed complicity with white supremacists, how come you can switch your moral compass on and off like that? Inconsistency much?
#2: National interests of Iran! If you were serious about Iran's national interests you would be on my side! The Mullahs make it abundantly clear, time and time again, that they don't just not care about the Iranian nation, but make their hostility known without compunction, Khomeini himself said that Iran can burn so long as Islam emerges victorious. Mullahs regularly preach that they want to abolish the Persian language and replace it with Arabic! To add insult to injury they constantly revile and belittle Iran's pre-islamic heritage and seek to abolish ancient Iranian festivals and traditions! Under their misrule the economy is in constant crisis mode, all of Iran's best and brightest (not you) have left the country to work in the USA or Western Europe! Iran has basically no conventional military worthy of that name anymore and is wide open to any aggressor who has the means and the dedication to attack the place! Do you even hear yourself talk, mate?
Trump was in the process of overthrowing these cvnts without having to resort to military action! Unfortunately for all of us he was interrupted and we may have another decade of theocracy to look forward to. There is a substantial likelihood of Iran turning into another Yugoslavia scenario by the end of that decade, you hear me, Mardonius? So please don't you ever prattle of Iran's national interests to me again!
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Trump is reported to be considering his own social media platformMain social networks and other internet services started ban Trump team and supporters. Twitter, Google, Youtube, Discord, Pinterest, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitch and others.
At some point they must realise they can't ban accounts in alternative (non-US) services and next step will be nothing but China-like firewall.
US democracy was always a half-assed, when there were no any chances for any independent politicians\parties. Only 2 parties were allowed, and most of the time they looked like a two wing of one party. Now it is all degrades at full speed to the one-partysystemregime.
TrumperMight have been better considering creating a company that supplies vote counting software
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I would take a guess that his supporters are better armed than the left
Before and after. The govt was playing with censorship for many years like an amateur little fascist ?Did it happen before or after the Russian state TV started to air stories about crucified kids?
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This is the very example of relativism leading to whataboutism
A riot is always "mostly" peaceful
After all there is never more than 10% of the crowd involved in violence, 90% are not. This is a common CC data
However, when it ends with fences thrown on LE and 5 deads (including at least 2 by direct acts of violence from the protesters toward the LE and the reverse around) it cannot be called a protest anymore
Semantic has an importance.
It was certainly not a coup, a revolution, an overthrow but it was not a protest anymore once violence was initiated on protesters's side
Basic CC101
Let's just agree that "whataboutism" is a retarded term coined as a deflection to avoid discussing a topic that is uncomfortable to the person using the term. "Whataboutism" should not be mentioned in any serious mature discussion ever again.
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@Serj,
You can read my reaction in the spoiler.
Seem like we have on these treacherous MEK cretins over here. The elimination of the nation's most prestigious general, the man who patriotically defended Iran's borders against an Arab onslaught in the '80s, was nothing more than criminal and an absolute shame for any self-proclaimed nationalist. The fact that his funeral and commemoration drew millions of people, even among the segments of the population that are less sympathetic to the regime, tells you much about his standing. Soleimani's legacy in Persian history will eventually equal that of Rostam, Surena and other generals that fiercely advanced the nation's interests.
Regarding Trump's failed maximum pressure policy. Even if the claim that aforementioned policy managed to withhold large amounts of money from the IRGC is correct, it did not have any tangible effect on Iran's regional presence. Moreover, the degradation of Iranian economy did not hurt anyone other than ordinary Iranians. Any Iranian who gloats over the economic embargo that has put millions of Iranians in poverty can't claim with a straight face that he cares for the plight of his self-proclaimed countrymen.
Nothing more than symbolic rhetoric propagated to advance the country's geopolitical position. If you truly believe that Iran is hell-bent on destroying Israel, in stead of using such language to woo the Arab masses, you are outright naive.
For the same reason why I can understand why those in the national security profession continue to work with the Trump administration, even if they are morally repulsed by what is happening. There must always be a continuation of the state's function for stability sake.
I will never be on the side of frustrated émigrés, who in all their bitterness would rather see the country go up in flames out of an exaggerated resentment of the present-day government than to patiently wait for organic change that will eventually come as new generations replace the older ones. I consider such self-proclaimed nationalists to be relics of the past; figureheads you would only see in the West, where their extremist view has grew them apart from those in the homeland. The tragedy is that figures like you have become too deranged to see such divergent of outlook and culture. Let me give you some advice: let it go. There will never be a place in the country for men like you. The sooner you accept this reality the better.
Two things: the evidence that Khomeini said such thing is weak. In addition, no notable official wants to abolish the Persian language. That's nonsense. On the contrary, minority groups are accusing the central government of imposing the Persian language on them. Second, the mullahs will eventually go away. At the moment, they are a reality and a necessary evil to further advance Iran's geopolitical footprint.
Iran is currently witnessing its strongest scientific growth in history, has managed to become an industrial power and has get appraisal from Israeli officials for its indigenous technology. There is a reason why Iran hasn't been conventionally attacked by its international and regional adversaries, despite continuing to advance its strategic interests.
Trump was in the process of overthrowing nothing more than his own government,. Don't be so delusional.
You can read my reaction in the spoiler.
Seem like we have on these treacherous MEK cretins over here. The elimination of the nation's most prestigious general, the man who patriotically defended Iran's borders against an Arab onslaught in the '80s, was nothing more than criminal and an absolute shame for any self-proclaimed nationalist. The fact that his funeral and commemoration drew millions of people, even among the segments of the population that are less sympathetic to the regime, tells you much about his standing. Soleimani's legacy in Persian history will eventually equal that of Rostam, Surena and other generals that fiercely advanced the nation's interests.
Regarding Trump's failed maximum pressure policy. Even if the claim that aforementioned policy managed to withhold large amounts of money from the IRGC is correct, it did not have any tangible effect on Iran's regional presence. Moreover, the degradation of Iranian economy did not hurt anyone other than ordinary Iranians. Any Iranian who gloats over the economic embargo that has put millions of Iranians in poverty can't claim with a straight face that he cares for the plight of his self-proclaimed countrymen.
Nothing more than symbolic rhetoric propagated to advance the country's geopolitical position. If you truly believe that Iran is hell-bent on destroying Israel, in stead of using such language to woo the Arab masses, you are outright naive.
For the same reason why I can understand why those in the national security profession continue to work with the Trump administration, even if they are morally repulsed by what is happening. There must always be a continuation of the state's function for stability sake.
I will never be on the side of frustrated émigrés, who in all their bitterness would rather see the country go up in flames out of an exaggerated resentment of the present-day government than to patiently wait for organic change that will eventually come as new generations replace the older ones. I consider such self-proclaimed nationalists to be relics of the past; figureheads you would only see in the West, where their extremist view has grew them apart from those in the homeland. The tragedy is that figures like you have become too deranged to see such divergent of outlook and culture. Let me give you some advice: let it go. There will never be a place in the country for men like you. The sooner you accept this reality the better.
Two things: the evidence that Khomeini said such thing is weak. In addition, no notable official wants to abolish the Persian language. That's nonsense. On the contrary, minority groups are accusing the central government of imposing the Persian language on them. Second, the mullahs will eventually go away. At the moment, they are a reality and a necessary evil to further advance Iran's geopolitical footprint.
Iran is currently witnessing its strongest scientific growth in history, has managed to become an industrial power and has get appraisal from Israeli officials for its indigenous technology. There is a reason why Iran hasn't been conventionally attacked by its international and regional adversaries, despite continuing to advance its strategic interests.
Trump was in the process of overthrowing nothing more than his own government,. Don't be so delusional.
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I thank you, Mardonius, from the bottom of my heart for being so transparent in your stupidity. It just so happens I'm a Pahlavi supporter. But you playing the "treacherous MEK" shtick is absolutely emblematic of an ardent IRI goon. And don't you give me your pseudo patriotic treatment. Family members of mine have fought against Iraq so you may take your phony indignation and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. I will take the time of the day to personally urinate on Soleimani's tomb should the opportunity present itself. Soleimani's legacy is already that of a murderer and criminal. And Iranians agree with me:
I think behind all of these "y" brandings (democrac-y, tyrann-y, anarch-y, whatever-y) we're just actually always talking about a pseudo-aristocracy.
Because everyone understands the simple fact that direct democracy is impossible. So they shift to what many call "representative democracy", but "representative democracy" is impossible without an established personnel of experience, connections, inner-circle trust, internal legacies, etc. which basically is at least 90% of the entire governing apparatus.
An outsider like Trump gets into the "representative system" and all hell breaks loose, with the entire system shrieking like a cat being skinned alive.
I'd rather say calling all political systems around the world as "lenient aristocracies" would be more accurate, with each just differentiating itself in its degree of lenience towards the public needs/opinion.
While "democracy" is simply used as a psychological or maybe semantic tool, to paint one state as "good" and another state as "bad".
Humans are fundamentally just animals, and the way their social nature is governed has already been decided by nature. It is highly unlikely that nature provided human DNA with a multi-set of "tools" for governance. It's always the same thing, just with modified properties. And it always defaults to the core basic fundamental mechanism when times get hard (strict verticality of power, censorship, propaganda, political violence, police-state, etc.)
There's no "shining city upon a hill" eureka formulas that can defeat nature's presets. You can only peddle this delusional dream for as long as the environment is benign enough to allow and forgive you for it.
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Please stop peddling your psuedo a near dictator is as good as democracy psycho babble. No one is buying it. In case you didnt notice, Democracy worked, trump got elected, and now he's being replaced. Has to be better than the alternative systems in places like Russia, or Iran, dont you think?
And sorry but the judeo Christian capitalist model has worked well for quite a while. I'm not aware of any country voluntarily switching to a limited or dictatorship style, and keeping it. So your shining light is this one. Sometimes a little tarnished, but when you run for a thousand years you get a little bent out of shape. Maybe you should gain some experience by living in such a country, before selling yourself to the local top dog in return for free internet or a Lada.
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@nicememe the exploit of basic needs for fulfillment (mission / purpose/ meaning) in life of humans is repeated every replication of the human.
The available vulnerabilities in human nature/psyche are well understood and people are easily manipulated by these unpatched vulnerabilities.
If you are smartish and learn thru your life you can patch somethings... maybe. Then you go on social media and want to blow up the world
The shining city on a hill is the dream, the reality only if we lie to each other about the city being built on a graveyard from toxic material.
It can be real if you are corrupt enough.
The available vulnerabilities in human nature/psyche are well understood and people are easily manipulated by these unpatched vulnerabilities.
If you are smartish and learn thru your life you can patch somethings... maybe. Then you go on social media and want to blow up the world
The shining city on a hill is the dream, the reality only if we lie to each other about the city being built on a graveyard from toxic material.
It can be real if you are corrupt enough.
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