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Yeah, right. Like one can't own as many bolt/lever/break action rifles and mechanical shotguns as one likes. Hysterical gun nuttery is not needed in this country from those too selfish to make a small sacrifice to reduce the incidence of mass killings. Remember, this dude purchased his weapons legally and as I understand it was a member of various shooting clubs. How many lessons do you need?
Which lessons? like the ones we might learn from a Royal commission? yet we are changing laws without any of those lessons being published? And incidences of mass killings? the last massacre prior to Chch was in 1997.
Seeing as your first two messages appear to be attacking the posts of two nz members here I'll assume you've just shown up to troll.
 
Yeah, right. Like one can't own as many bolt/lever/break action rifles and mechanical shotguns as one likes. Hysterical gun nuttery is not needed in this country from those too selfish to make a small sacrifice to reduce the incidence of mass killings. Remember, this dude purchased his weapons legally and as I understand it was a member of various shooting clubs. How many lessons do you need?
Mate, I think you've been at the Kool -Aid am I right or am I right?
 
Mate, I think you've been at the Kool -Aid am I right or am I right?
I've spent an awful lot of time on rifle ranges and clay grounds and shot an awful lot of animals. After Aramoana compromises were made. The result of them played out in Chch. Some selfish people are too wrapped in their toys to remember their duties to their fellow citizens.
 
I don't own a semi rifle.

A range cannot possibly work when a man wants to zero and no range officer is available so go to the 100m clearing.
They banned steel shot and after having the stuff up pointed out to them, the cops said they'd use discretion on the matter. Last year parliament spent some millions going through the law book crossing out waste of ink laws yet here they are again. and the crims will still keep theirs.
They banned likes of Browning Bar etc . Never has been a military rifle. After Aramoana they were allowed. Not this time.
Great doubt that cops legally supplied the idiot with a license whom was an Aussie.
The non consultation ban was undemocratic process and Taxinder had her "nuclear free moment"... the most pure political grandstand statement.
The present "second tranche" submission process they banned online submissions and shortened oral time.

Not being selfish stupid

If that Philipino who allegedly burnt down Sky City was illegal shall we ban all migrants. That'll be ironinc for NZ first/ coalition to cope with.
 
Some selfish people are too wrapped in their toys to remember their duties to their fellow citizens.

Imagine you're a perfectly healthy 75-years-old with excellent vision. Is it your duty to your fellow citizens to hand in your driver's licence only because a few other older drivers are patently incapable of participating in road traffic?

Your comments are particularly baffling since under New Zealand's laws, the Christchurch attacker wasn't supposed to own weapons to begin with. Why should citizens pay with their property for the government's negligence?
 
The ones that show what legally owned military style semi automatics can do to a group of people.

Just wan't to know, what significant additional danger does to styling of the rifle add in case when we have similar caliber and similar capacity magazine?
 
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After the claim of 50 years and cognizance decline the submitter added half of firearms licenses are held by over 50's so they should all be removed.
 
Just wan't to know, what significant additional danger does to styling of the rifle add in case when we have similar caliber and similar capacity magazine?
What rifles have similar magazine capacity (and calibre) to military style semi automatics?
 
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Imagine you're a perfectly healthy 75-years-old with excellent vision. Is it your duty to your fellow citizens to hand in your driver's licence only because a few other older drivers are patently incapable of participating in road traffic?
You're conflating/confusing issues. It'd be your duty to relinquish a class of vehicle responsible for mass deaths and designated a danger to the public. Not your licence.
 
After the claim of 50 years and cognizance decline the submitter added half of firearms licenses are held by over 50's so they should all be removed.
Looks like the deflection from weapons of mass killings to licences has been achieved.
 
What rifles have similar magazine capacity (and calibre) to military style semi automatics?

First that comes to mind is saiga on .223. Which is just an AK without pistol grip. Or Ruger Mini-14 or any other semi auto with .223.

Just add a higher capacity magazine than the standard. And surely you can add high capacity magazine to "civilian style" rifles with detachable magazines.

EDIT: Valmet Petra was the rifle that was on my head but didn't remember, similar concept to Saiga.
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They banned likes of Browning Bar etc . Never has been a military rifle.
This one?
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It's not banned as far as I know. If it is banned the legislation has gone too far.
 
First that comes to mind is saiga on .223. Which is just an AK without pistol grip. Or Ruger Mini-14 or any other semi auto with .223.

Just add a higher capacity magazine than the standard. And surely you can add high capacity magazine to "civilian style" rifles with detachable magazines.
Well I certainly define them as military style semi automatics. Ffs. As though a weapon based on the AK is not military style because it doesn't have a bayonet lug or whatever. But if you want to play the semantic game I'll rephrase the term to be 'centrefire semi automatics which will accept large capacity detachable magazines'.
 
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You're conflating/confusing issues. It'd be your duty to relinquish a class of vehicle responsible for mass deaths and designated a danger to the public. Not your licence.

The point wasn't what's to relinquish, the point was if there's a duty to relinquish something. Since the analogy did catch your eye, you're obviously resorting to a straw man argument here.

Indulge me while I pursue this tangent a little longer than I meant to.

Up here, environmentalists have long since been ranting against SUVs. As their arguments fell on deaf ears, a traffic accident that killed a number of pedestrians recently prompted them to add appeals to road safety to the mix. Their very motivation should suffice to cast doubts on that argument, but it's factually wrong anyway. The statistic confirms that a Smart car is just as likely to kill pedestrians as a fat-ass Land Rover.

Likewise, a bolt-action rifle isn't any less dangerous compared to a semi – particularly not in the hands of someone who bothered training. People are always like: Why does the military not use bolt-action rifles then? Yet still the Axis concquered a quarter of the planet employing bolt-action rifles. The degree to which the handling of a semi-automatic rifle is less complicated is obviously not that relevant in practice.

Well, there's no absolute safety, since not a law in the world is going to stop a criminal from acquiring a gun nor some old geezer from driving when he shoudn't. But the comparison illustrates the next-best thing to absolute safety may only be acquired through outright banning it all.

Which leads me back to my original question: You spoke of a duty. Where is it derived from? It can't have materialized out of thin air. Why do I, a law-abiding citizen, have to suffer a disadvantage that purportedly aims to keep trespassers from trespassing? And what other duties might I owe to society on grounds of the inability or refusal of others than myself? Can you honestly not see how steep and slippery a slope that is?

Is it my duty to society to, say, accept the shutting-down of the internet because it's abused to so despicable a thing as the propagation of child pornography?
Is it my duty to stop using a hammer if society deems the healthcare-related costs of people pounding on their own thumbs too great?

There's going to be another mass killing involving firearms in New Zealand. And should all firearms be banned in its wake, there's going to be yet another one regardless. Maybe someone will steal a truck and mow down scores of innocents (Nice, 86 deaths) or maybe someone will simply set fire to people (Kyoto, 33 deaths). Murderous intentions always find a way.

New Zealand's new gun laws are but a political ploy; most bids for more gun control are. At the same time, the actual problem remains uncombated.
 
Well I certainly define them as military style semi automatics. Ffs. As though a weapon based on the AK is not military style because it doesn't have a bayonet lug or whatever. But if you want to play the semantic game I'll rephrase the term to be 'semi automatics which will accept large capacity detachable magazines'.

You might but authorities in many countries don't (I believe including New Zealand), usually due to lack of pistol grip and flash suppressor.

Why would you discriminate against AK action, technically speaking? You could use the same action with magazine similar to BAR posted above.

How can you prevent a rifle from accepting a large capacity magazine if it accepts detachable magazines, wouldn't it be more sensible just to ban detachable magazines?
 
I believe there is a tread on gun laws already... back to the matter at hand, little published fact that whilst the land occupation was going on at Ihumātao, when she who can’t be named was too busy to attend, story, her attendance would distract from the cause, she did visit a Muslim school for girls in walking distance just down the road, Westney Rd and Zayed College for Girls. Why tackle difficult national issues when you can grab a positive, feel good photo opportunity for feminism. Robyn Malcolm, the actress, complained about then PM John Key being on the cover of some woman’s daily mag. Where she now that the current PM has taken shallow glad handling to a whole new level?
 
Robyn Malcom is dumber than a sack of potatoes so that is no surprise.
 

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