Politics BLM protests across the US

[Sideline]

Sorry Fluff, the USA is not the UK.

I don't like the fact that the man is dead, but he did everything to escalate the situation.

Whether of not you agree with the police having guns or not, it's a fact and everyone knows it.

Everyone should understand their surrounding and make choices accordingly.

Don't judge the USA by your understanding from the UK way of life.

The USA has completely different history, and as such is different.

If you want to drive drunk FINE, but when the cops find you drunk behind the wheel, you are caught.......don't fight.

 

[Sideline]

They did try non-lethal. I don't see this as a white cop kills black man.

I see it as good honest cop, shoots stupid drunken man. Still doesn't make it right. A deep breath, a call for support, dog squad and no-one would have died.

You see "stupid drunk man".......I see aggressive man fighting the police with weapon.

 

[Fluff]

Every country is different, and if I was a cop, even in UK I would want a pistol.

But right now, whats happening in the USA, is having an impact in many countries, hence the interest.

This one is a mess, no-matter what colour any of the people involved are.

 

[Sideline]

What is happening in the USA and around the world today is BULLSHIT.

It's dishonest.

EDIT: Been fun, gotta go have Sunday lunch with my 80+ year old parents. Have a nice day.

 

[Fluff]

What is happening in the USA and around the world today is BULLSHIT.

It's dishonest.

I agree, that's why I went and looked at the figures. it showed a very slightly higher risk to get shot if unarmed black, versus white. Tiny. 90+% of people shot were armed. so the deciding factor in getting shot is not colour, its being armed.

 

[Dercius]

You may have a point, probably easiest to aim for one black and one white in each black and white.....

And then they go and shot a mexican or an asian suspect. ? ?

Seriously, people need to stop doing retarded stuff. Resisting arrest and trying to grab a gun or tazer from a police officer and shot back at him is as retarded as it can get, and a no go, almost anywhere in this world.

On the other hand, this could have been handled in so many different ways without escalating that much. And for Christ sake, seriously, if you pull a tazer on an alleged drunk dude, dont f***ing get dissarmed when you are 2 on one.

Anyone saying that tazer is a non lethal weapon, allow me to disagree. If you get tazed, and are unlucky enough to fall flat on your face, you can easily get killed in the process (breaking you neck, brain injury, cardiac arrest due electric shock...certainly is less lethal than emptying a whole 9mm clip on his torso, but nothing is 100% safe,). Then if one cop is incapacitated, he can grab the officers gun, shot the other one and anyone else on scene.

Overall, I see that different approach to the problem, would have made this incident no news. When the approach failed, better training would have made this incident no news. But lets make no mistake, when the suspect resisted arrest, assaulted and dissarmed a police officer and shot back at him..... that is as stupid as you can go, and makes you a serious contender for the Darwin award of the year.

Lots of mistakes made by the deceased, and some mistakes by the pólice officers. That error chain drives us to a situation with a dead man.
Dont get me wrong, I think that shooting him was justified taking into account the circumstances, but there was no need to arrive to that point.

The problem is that lot of people are pushing way too much andway too over the top in their interaction with the pólice officers, in the stupid belief that they can have a field day on any cop they come accross because of all the retarded sh¡t feed to them 24/7 on the mainstream media. This is just an example, and the possible consequences. Play stupid games...

Just more fuel for the radicals and anarchists.

Just my 2c.

 

[berkut76]

For the purpose of my joke? No.

I just know that from a really quick look at that map, there aren't a lot of countries without protests that I'm in a massive rush to go and live in.

Honestly, I was thinking about this question today, and Czech republic looks like a good place. This is the extent of their protests and whatever reason the chants are in English.

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[Gaz]

Honestly, I was thinking about this question today, and Czech republic looks like a good place. This is the extent of their protests and whatever reason the chants are in English.

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I won't lie - I wrote that post last night thinking it was funny after more than a few beers. In the cold light of day though, sober Gaz is having a hard time disagreeing with drunk Gaz. I think if I was looking to move somewhere outside of the UK to go and live, the chances are it would be in the one of the countries that's had protests.

 

[Junglejim]

Map of George Floyd Protests with over 100 members.
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The Philippines had rally, but it was our independence day and it was against the Anti Terror Bill, not something about what happened in the US.

As for that shooting in Atlanta, right or wrong, what will do the coppers in are:
1. He was cooperative for a long time.
2. He did offer to just walk home.
3. He was running away and shot in the back, hence not a kill on sight threat.
4. He's black.

Agree with me or not, thats how most would see it.

 

[Musashi]

And then they go and shot a mexican or an asian suspect. ? ?

Seriously, people need to stop doing retarded stuff. Resisting arrest and trying to grab a gun or tazer from a police officer and shot back at him is as retarded as it can get, and a no go, almost anywhere in this world.

On the other hand, this could have been handled in so many different ways without escalating that much. And for Christ sake, seriously, if you pull a tazer on an alleged drunk dude, dont f***ing get dissarmed when you are 2 on one.

Anyone saying that tazer is a non lethal weapon, allow me to disagree. If you get tazed, and are unlucky enough to fall flat on your face, you can easily get killed in the process (breaking you neck, brain injury, cardiac arrest due electric shock...certainly is less lethal than emptying a whole 9mm clip on his torso, but nothing is 100% safe,). Then if one cop is incapacitated, he can grab the officers gun, shot the other one and anyone else on scene.

Overall, I see that different approach to the problem, would have made this incident no news. When the approach failed, better training would have made this incident no news. But lets make no mistake, when the suspect resisted arrest, assaulted and dissarmed a police officer and shot back at him..... that is as stupid as you can go, and makes you a serious contender for the Darwin award of the year.

Lots of mistakes made by the deceased, and some mistakes by the pólice officers. That error chain drives us to a situation with a dead man.
Dont get me wrong, I think that shooting him was justified taking into account the circumstances, but there was no need to arrive to that point.

The problem is that lot of people are pushing way too much andway too over the top in their interaction with the pólice officers, in the stupid belief that they can have a field day on any cop they come accross because of all the retarded sh¡t feed to them 24/7 on the mainstream media. This is just an example, and the possible consequences. Play stupid games...

Just more fuel for the radicals and anarchists.

Just my 2c.

This Polish guy was tased five times by a police officer at an airport in Canada, so he died.
I don’t remember any racial riots in a Poland despite the Polish guy having been both unarmed and handcuffed during the tasing and the police officer being black:

Killing of Robert Dziekański - Wikipedia

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[Musashi]

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[primer]

Simple way to diffuse it is proactively hire more blacks. Many of the burned cities had black chiefs though and run by Dems. A basic problem is that police system and legal stystem says it doesn't discriminate yet the basis is that the system automatically profiles people.."fits the description" In court hey have no idea about the persons real life story background only what they see and have to judge fast an entire life including using preconceptions from prior cases.... they get it wrong is a proven risk.

 

[Mike1976]

POLICE KILLING OF BLACKS: Do Black Lives Matter? - Sociology Toolbox

The Society Pages (TSP) is an open-access social science project headquartered in the Department of Sociology at the University of Minnesota

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Uses figures from the Washington Post.

 

[Fluff]

POLICE KILLING OF BLACKS: Do Black Lives Matter? - Sociology Toolbox

The Society Pages (TSP) is an open-access social science project headquartered in the Department of Sociology at the University of Minnesota

thesocietypages.org

Uses figures from the Washington Post.

I used some of those figures in an earlier post. Whilst the conclusion is mathematically correct, in unarmed cases the final outcome is close, certainly doesn't prove a uniform policy of shooting black people. I have more of a concern, that having ran the figures, that 90% of people who were killed, were armed. Normally when you analyse an issue, you target the biggest group. Yet, seems to go without question, your armed, your a fair target, move onto the small issue of what colour the target is.

I suspect this % of armed criminals, leads to the behaviour seen, with the Police quick to open fire against someone who is armed. in this case, to European eyes, the cops go to guns too quickly. To American eyes its fine, he was armed, he can and should be shot.

The difficulty I then have, if this 'he's armed so shoot him policy' is how does this square with the armed militia's, and armed people attending everything from council meetings to markets. The combination appears to be heading for a massacre. How are these 2 seemingly opposite items being kept apart?

 

[Mike1976]

The difficulty I then have, if this 'he's armed so shoot him policy' is how does this square with the armed militia's, and armed people attending everything from council meetings to markets. The combination appears to be heading for a massacre. How are these 2 seemingly opposite items being kept apart?

Being armed is a constitutional right in the US, using a gun while committing a crime is not.

 

[Fluff]

Being armed is a constitutional right in the US, using a gun while committing a crime is not.

Yes I understand that, but I feel a person could one minute be a legally armed citizen, and then they do something - point the weapon, cock it, and a police officer could move them from 'legal' to illegal. I see it as a disaster waiting to happen.

This guy was unarmed, then ends up with a tazer in his hand- looked like he was trying not to get tazered, and then he's ok to shoot him.

Over here, you walk down the road with a gun, sure cops will turn up, and will point weapons at you, they wont actually shoot you, most of the time. They will assume and work towards a peaceful or at least no-one dead solution.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Tomb Of The Unknown Soldier Of The American Revolution Vandalized In Philadelphia's Washington Square

They've had to enlist the help of professional conservators to clean the monument in Washington Square because it is porous limestone.

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[muck]

first world problem then

Where was 'Black Lives Matter' when the Chinese hunted people of colour down the streets last month?

On another topic, the one of "monuments removals", I find it scary how many people are managing to rationalize and endorse these actions.

What I find particularly perfidious is the idea that erecting a statue to commemorate someone's achievements is somehow tantamount to endorsing their flaws as well.
Know what would've been a productive proposal (even though I still wouldn't endorse it)? Rather than toppling a statue, why don't we add plaques that include their biographical data in full including the parts where they screwed up? Like, to let people make up their own mind?

 

[Mike1976]

Where was 'Black Lives Matter' when the Chinese hunted people of colour down the streets last month?

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Know what would've been a productive proposal (even though I still wouldn't endorse it)? Rather than toppling a statue, why don't we add plaques that include their biographical data in full including the parts where they screwed up?

Like, to let people make up their own mind?

That's not how the Cultural Revolution works.

That's not how Marxism works.

The BLM message was hijacked by Marxists and anarchists very early on.

 

[Fluff]

Where was 'Black Lives Matter' when the Chinese hunted people of colour down the streets last month?
What I find particularly perfidious is the idea that erecting a statue to commemorate someone's achievements is somehow tantamount to endorsing their flaws as well.
Know what would've been a productive proposal (even though I still wouldn't endorse it)? Rather than toppling a statue, why don't we add plaques that include their biographical data in full including the parts where they screwed up? Like, to let people make up their own mind?

To be fair @muck you are expecting a rational argument. I don't think this one. I don't have a problem if these lefties having got their issue aired, now pack up and leave it to the grown ups. But if they think they can win, in the UK by damaging things, and that there wont be a response, I think they are very wrong. The right clearly are ready to go. The people in the middle want to get back to work etc. Strong political ideology, on either side, tends to dwindle as kids and mortgages come on the scene.....

I also would warn all sides, that Boris may not be afraid of breaking a few eggs, plenty of harvesting to be done this year, a few chain gangs or whatever could be a vote winner....