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[Sideline]

In the video of the 'black' man shot at wendys.

TO ME, it looks like while he is running right before they shoot him........

The black man when he is near the red car looks like he raises his arm ( while he is running) and fires the tazer/gun at the officer.

Is he just running away? or is he running away and firing too.

Why do I see him raise his arm and something come out of his hand like a 'blast' from a gun?

Would that matter?

It would to me.

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That black man did not get drunk at wendys, he drove there drunk.
Did he decide he was too drunk to drive and sleep it off, or did he just decide he was hungry and passed out in his car before he was able to order?

The cops are not going to find a drunk in a car and say, good for him, right decision and leave him there.

If left, the drunk can wake up and decide to drive off and kill someone.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

In UK, still illegal, if you have the keys with you. Same as DUI. But not a death sentence.

True, but still.

Considering the layouts of US cities, I would say that Wendy's (like most restaurants with vast parking lots) is located outside of the city and rather "far" from living areas. What I mean by "far" is that these places are far enough for you to need your car to get there. You can walk there if you want, but it is going to take you a reasonable while.

So, here is what we got. A man (not sure why he is being called a jogger, but whatever) who got a few drinks, supposedly late at night, and decided to sleep in his car for whatever reason (did he make the decision to sleep in his car on the account that he was aware he was too drunk to drive back home, or did he fall asleep because he has got a case of "sleepy alcohol"? Who knows.).

Apparently, in Georgia, there is no official state law saying you can’t sleep in your car, though you should be extra wary when deciding where to pull over and doze, like trespassing.
It used to be legal to sleep in a fast-food restaurant's parking space, but it is now, apparently, illegal. At least, as far as I know, Mc Donalds has a limited parking time. Wendy's probably has the same policies.

Technically he was breaking the law twice: trespassing and being drunk in his car. But! He wasn't driving his car, therefore not representing a threat.
Had he gone behind the wheel to drive home or find another place where to park and sleep "could" have been a possibility but he would have represented a danger to others and himself (he was measured at 108 iirc).

So, the police being called for trespassing: ok fine.
But instead of arresting him for DUI and putting him in hands-cuffs was probably over the top.

 

[Fluff]

If you take a taser off an police officer and shoot him, don't be surprised if he shoots you back.
The American saying goes: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

Killing of Rayshard Brooks - Wikipedia

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The police officer has been fired just for doing his job.

Atlanta police chief resigns over Rayshard Brooks shooting

Erika Shields quit after an African-American man, Rayshard Brooks, was shot dead by police on Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Atlanta officer who fatally shot Rayshard Brooks has been terminated | CNN

Protesters angry over the fatal police shooting of a black man at a fast-food restaurant in Atlanta marched onto the highway Saturday, shutting down part of the I-75/85 downtown connector, a major thoroughfare through the city.

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I didn't realise he fired it.....

All still crazy.

I imagine under rules of engagement or whatever they are called in USA, that it was legal to shoot him, but logically he was close to being unarmed.

I still think all parties acted without a thought to the world around them.

 

[Chazman]

If you take a taser off an police officer and shoot him, don't be surprised if he shoots you back.
The American saying goes: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

Killing of Rayshard Brooks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The police officer has been fired just for doing his job.

Atlanta police chief resigns over Rayshard Brooks shooting

Erika Shields quit after an African-American man, Rayshard Brooks, was shot dead by police on Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Atlanta officer who fatally shot Rayshard Brooks has been terminated | CNN

Protesters angry over the fatal police shooting of a black man at a fast-food restaurant in Atlanta marched onto the highway Saturday, shutting down part of the I-75/85 downtown connector, a major thoroughfare through the city.

edition.cnn.com

Yeah, crazy. Looks like the suspect fought with police, took a taser off of one of them, tried to run while shooting an officer with it. What are you supposed to do if you are a police officer?

 

[Sideline]

That black man did not get drunk at wendys, he drove there drunk.
Did he decide he was too drunk to drive and sleep it off, or did he just decide he was hungry and passed out in his car before he was able to order?

The cops are not going to find a drunk in a car and say, good for him, right decision and leave him there.

If left, the drunk can wake up and decide to drive off and kill someone.

 

[Fluff]

Yeah, crazy. Looks like the suspect fought with police, took a taser off of one of them, tried to run while shooting an officer with it. What are you supposed to do if you are a police officer?

Well in the middle of racial unrest, knowing he was drunk, and black, he has fired one and missed, at most he has one shot left, there are 2 cops, they should have still been in control, tell him it only has one shot?

Looks to me like one cop pulled his tazer, and Mr Brooks grabbed it, then looks like he ran off and they tried to Tazer him, missed, or didnt work, and they shot him. Happened very quick, for sure. Mr Brooks is clearly trying to escape, he should have tossed the tazer. I would say its nuanced. Mr Brooks made several bad calls, and so did the cops. Public opinion goes with the deceased.

At this rate, you wont need to disband the Police, as no-one will want the job.

 

[Sideline]

Well in the middle of racial unrest, knowing he was drunk, and black, he has fired one and missed, at most he has one shot left, there are 2 cops, they should have still been in control, tell him it only has one shot?

Looks to me like one cop pulled his tazer, and Mr Brooks grabbed it, then looks like he ran off and they tried to Tazer him, missed, or didnt work, and they shot him. Happened very quick, for sure. Mr Brooks is clearly trying to escape, he should have tossed the tazer. I would say its nuanced. Mr Brooks made several bad calls, and so did the cops. Public opinion goes with the deceased.

At this rate, you wont need to disband the Police, as no-one will want the job.

Why does public opinion go with the deceased?

Because that is what the media tells you?

 

[Fluff]

Why does public opinion go with the deceased?

Because that is what the media tells you?

My opinion, The public general opinion, goes with the dead guy.

I'm not agreeing its fair, just stating how I believe the general public perceive it.

Might be different if he had just shot 6 people, and was on the run.

 

[Sideline]

I don't believe for a second that the officer fired his weapon as a death sentence.

That man could have made many other choices. He did not, he is dead.

He is not innocent, his direct actions and choices led to his death.

These facts matter.

He is dead, this isn't a perfect world, and the color of his skin be damned..... it could have been ANY COLOR and turned out this way.

His actions had everything to do with the outcome. The police were doing their job, don't grab their weapons and fire at them.... SIMPLE.

 

[Fluff]

I don't believe for a second that the officer fired his weapon as a death sentence.

That man could have made many other choices. He did not, he is dead.

He is not innocent, his direct actions and choices led to his death.

These facts matter.

He is dead, this isn't a perfect world, and the color of his skin be damned..... it could have been ANY COLOR and turned out this way.

His actions had everything to do with the outcome. The police were doing their job, don't grab their weapons and fire at them.... SIMPLE.

I mostly agree, but my one reservation is did they need to shoot him? I don't know the rules of engagement for US Police. They presumably had his car registration, and by that point his name/ID. He is running off, with a weapon, let him run, he's not going far, and his accuracy will reduce.

Legal - possibly
Needed - not sure
Could have been resolved or contained with back-up, probably.

He ran off with one shot left, in a short range non-lethal weapon.

Looks to me like all parties panicked.

In the UK, most armed hostage taking, ends with everyone alive.

I'm not suggesting colour came into this, and I don't think the cops were wrong to detain him etc.

 

[Sideline]

Sorry, but all the what ifs don't matter now.

I'll just stick to what actually happened and not the perfect world scenarios thought up after the fact, which only serve to absolve the man of his responsibility of his actions/choices and demonize the other man trying to do his job.

 

[Fluff]

Sorry, but all the what ifs don't matter now.

I'll just stick to what actually happened and not the perfect world scenarios thought up after the fact, which only serve to absolve the man of his responsibility of his actions/choices and demonize the other man trying to do his job.

As I said Mr Brooks made several bad calls, and so did the cops.

Mr brooks loses his life, and the cop is now an ex-cop. Probably has a reasonable defence.

Its crazy.

 

[Sideline]

Life is crazy.
Either comply, or fight.

Everyone has a choice every moment of their life, we always see "darwin award" candidates which don't involve the police.

Horrible outcome indeed, but not outrageous or surprising to me considering how it escalated, and the cops did not choose the escalation.

 

[Telmar]

I don't believe for a second that the officer fired his weapon as a death sentence.

That man could have made many other choices. He did not, he is dead.

He is not innocent, his direct actions and choices led to his death.

These facts matter.

He is dead, this isn't a perfect world, and the color of his skin be damned..... it could have been ANY COLOR and turned out this way.

His actions had everything to do with the outcome. The police were doing their job, don't grab their weapons and fire at them.... SIMPLE.

Yeah, he made a bad choice getting drunk, made a bad choice staying in the parking lot, made a terrible choice (probably because of the first choice) to grab a tazer.

And yet, from what I see, the worst choice was done by the police officers...And they are on duty, and armed with lethal weapons. They are also paid to take better decisions.

 

[Sideline]

Yeah, he made a bad choice getting drunk, made a bad choice staying in the parking lot, made a terrible choice (probably because of the first choice) to grab a tazer.

And yet, from what I see, the worst choice was done by the police officers...And they are on duty, and armed with lethal weapons. They are also paid to take better decisions.

Armed with lethal weapons, yet they tried using non lethal means first....remember? Which was taken away and then used against the officers, remember?
yeah, cry me a selective river.

 

[Fluff]

Speaking generally now:

In military terms, what is the mission of the police?

As I said earlier, in the UK, most armed kidnappings, or siege's, end peacefully, with no one dead, including the nutter with the gun.

Please correct me, but it comes across that in USA, you cross a line and you get shot. As I said earlier, this was a DUI, not the hunt for a mass murderer. Appropriate to shoot a fleeing mass murderer, yes, appropriate to shoot a fleeing DUI that you have already ID'd - in my view not so sure.

For sure the armed issue makes it more of a mess, see my earlier comments about the numbers killed, when you remove 'armed' there are a handful, 10% or less are unarmed.

I'd give you 50/50 that in the UK, the police would either have taken the keys and told him to come into the station tomorrow to get a warning and the keys back. At a time of racial protest, that would go up to 75%, and offered him a lift home.

So back to the military, if your mission is to observe an enemy artillery site, you don't start shooting the first foot patrol that passes near you. You control yourself, to succeed in your mission.

The Police need to improve their control, their crisis management, threat identity etc. Civilians, especially Black, need to stop carrying weapons.

 

[Euroamerican]

Time for the police departments to only responds with officers who are the same race as the suspect/perp. The videos are going to always be posted by the media, so my ask well clean up their marketing image or at least deny the anti-police agenda another useful set of images.

Seriously, I'd doubt there would be any kerfuffle at all if the perp in this video had been white.

 

[Musashi]

The Guardian: Top public school accused of 'toxic culture of racism' among pupils.

Top public school accused of 'toxic culture of racism' among pupils

Letter from Westminster alumni urges an end to ‘toxic culture of racism’ among students

www.theguardian.com

 

[Fluff]

Armed with lethal weapons, yet they tried using non lethal means first....remember? Which was taken away and then used against the officers, remember?
yeah, cry me a selective river.

They did try non-lethal. I don't see this as a white cop kills black man.

I see it as good honest cop, shoots stupid drunken man. Still doesn't make it right. A deep breath, a call for support, dog squad and no-one would have died.

 

[Fluff]

Time for the police departments to only responds with officers who are the same race as the suspect/perp. The videos are going to always be posted by the media, so my ask well clean up their marketing image or at least deny the anti-police agenda another useful set of images.

Seriously, I'd doubt there would be any kerfuffle at all if the perp in this video had been white.

You may have a point, probably easiest to aim for one black and one white in each black and white.....