Politics BLM protests across the US

[Fluff]

As a LEO of 32 years and still currently serving, if this happened in Australia I would be on the way to court charged with attempted murder. I understand completely all the different permutations in this incident and the fears of the officers involved.

However, I cannot shoot a person because I "apprehend" he may be going for a weapon, I cannot use deadly force until a threat is actually manifested and then I am justified in shooting to stop the threat and will keep shooting until the threat stops ie he hits the ground.

I know that how it is judged in the US is completely different than here in Australia but I would rather stand by my training and the expectations placed on me here than being a LEO in the USA. I hope the officers are judged fairly according the mores of the system in the US

We have a terrible case in the UK, near me. Known criminal gang, known to do cash in transit vans(unarmed guards). They were being watched. Seen to get ready, had used guns, had access to guns. police want to catch them in the act, brief the armed police, that guns will be present. They go to nab them in a car park, the criminal driver told to show his hands, reaches for something, gets shot dead. No gun found. still rattling round the courts.

 

[Marat]

what difference does it make where he was shot? front, back, it doesnt matter.
police are allowed to use deadly force to stop a felon from escaping. this has been before the us supreme court before.

Well it seems that many in USA want to change such authorization of your police. This was attempt of murder not performing police job. They could use force to arrest him, they could even shoot at his legs there were no reason to try to kill him. But your country your rules, enjoy their fruits.... I hope that you feel safe on your streets as much as I fell safe in my town.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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[Musashi]

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Black Looting Matters

 

[riderboy]

I have to say for the Democrats, burning down their cities as a campaign strategy is certainly novel. Democrat Mayors and Governors seem to be doing the absolute bare minimum to stop this and certainly aren’t condemning it. The hope is that Biden will give them Federal aid to rebuild if he’s elected I suppose. Assuming any of the residents and businesses want to stay in those shitholes. Unbelievable.

 

[Jake84]

Well it seems that many in USA want to change such authorization of your police. This was attempt of murder not performing police job. They could use force to arrest him, they could even shoot at his legs there were no reason to try to kill him. But your country your rules, enjoy their fruits.... I hope that you feel safe on your streets as much as I fell safe in my town.

Agreed. So, okay. It appears he had a loaded gun in this car, and was, according to some sources ready to use it against the cops that were behind his back and armed?

He was either very stupid or suicidal, or both.

All in all, it’s not like neutralizing him, or arrest him was impossible without shooting him 7 times as the video showed. It’s fine, as you said their country their rules. But said rules are changing and the aftermath of George Floyd made them change.

 

[Chazman]

I have to say for the Democrats, burning down their cities as a campaign strategy is certainly novel. Democrat Mayors and Governors seem to be doing the absolute bare minimum to stop this and certainly aren’t condemning it. The hope is that Biden will give them Federal aid to rebuild if he’s elected I suppose. Assuming any of the residents and businesses want to stay in those shitholes. Unbelievable.

They also need about 2 trillion, (with a T) to bail out their bankrupt and corrupt pensions. A Biden administration would simply call this COVID aid.

 

[Chazman]

Agreed. So, okay. It appears he had a loaded gun in this car, and was, according to some sources ready to use it against the cops that were behind his back and armed?

He was either very stupid or suicidal, or both.

All in all, it’s not like neutralizing him, or arrest him was impossible without shooting him 7 times as the video showed. It’s fine, as you said their country their rules. But said rules are changing and the aftermath of George Floyd made them change.

I think some folks under estimate what it takes to subdue an excited suspect who doesn't want to cooperate. You simply are not going to put a 9 mm slug in his leg and stop him. And these cops are not black belts in Jujitsu either. Could this have been handled differently? I don't know, none of us were there. But this idiot is lucky he isn't dead.

 

[Jake84]

We always learn a thing or two about these guys, black or not after they had been shot and rarely they had indeed lived the law-abiding citizen lifestyle.

So I wouldn’t worry if he was a scum and now probably bound to a wheelchair for life. I do worry about more innocent souls, though it’s clear someone who defy the cops had a troubled past somehow.

 

[surfpunk]

Well it seems that many in USA want to change such authorization of your police. This was attempt of murder not performing police job. They could use force to arrest him, they could even shoot at his legs there were no reason to try to kill him. But your country your rules, enjoy their fruits.... I hope that you feel safe on your streets as much as I fell safe in my town.

you have never shot a firearm before, I can tell that.
the whole shot him somewhere else thing has been done before. there is not harmless place to shoot someone. again this is something the courts have spoken on.
and you are wrong, it was not murder, and it was performing lawful police duties, so thats two strikes for you.
care to chime in on something you actually know something about?

 

[riderboy]

We always learn a thing or two about these guys, black or not after they had been shot and rarely they had indeed lived the law-abiding citizen lifestyle.

So I wouldn’t worry if he was a scum and now probably bound to a wheelchair for life. I do worry about more innocent souls, though it’s clear someone who defy the cops had a troubled past somehow.

I really hate to Monday morning quarterback a cop(s) called to a domestic involving a man waving a knife, flagrantly disobeying multiple officers with guns drawn and saying he’s going to get a gun. Why the cops allowed him to enter the car and reach for a potential weapon is about as far as you can go. Then it becomes life threatening for the officers. I probably would have shot him before he reached the car. Cops in this country are being ambushed and killed with some regularity. If you are as drunk/high/stupid/sociopathic as Jacob....zero F***s given. Black, white purple I don’t care. Cops put their lives on the line for us and only one political party understands how important they are.

 

[Jake84]

Ideally there would be a political solution to this. There can only be one, because those gangbangers and rioters setting everything ablaze in US cities is more support for the core base of Trump.

I don’t mean to be cheeky but how does electing the old JoeBi, a near 80 yo white womanizer can somehow appease racial tensions in America? Not even Obama could...

 

[morris]

Frankly it looks like chaos, this isnt protest, this is anarchy. Protest is that Belarus is doing

First couple of days there were riots in Belarus too but after police removed agitators-organizers protests became peaceful.

 

[Chazman]

First couple of days there were riots in Belarus too but after police removed agitators-organizers protests became peaceful.

Unfortunately, corrupt city governments and mayors are more than happy to throw the police departments under the bus to appease their political allies.

 

[morris]

We have a terrible case in the UK, near me. Known criminal gang, known to do cash in transit vans(unarmed guards). They were being watched. Seen to get ready, had used guns, had access to guns. police want to catch them in the act, brief the armed police, that guns will be present. They go to nab them in a car park, the criminal driver told to show his hands, reaches for something, gets shot dead. No gun found. still rattling round the courts.

Were there any cases when criminals shot police or bystanders?

 

[morris]

I have to say for the Democrats, burning down their cities as a campaign strategy is certainly novel. Democrat Mayors and Governors seem to be doing the absolute bare minimum to stop this and certainly aren’t condemning it. The hope is that Biden will give them Federal aid to rebuild if he’s elected I suppose. Assuming any of the residents and businesses want to stay in those shitholes. Unbelievable.

Democrats are after black votes there and also don't want to loose Sanders far left supporters who often organize he riots and, yes, Biden will give them Federal aid if elected.

 

[Marat]

you have never shot a firearm before, I can tell that.
the whole shot him somewhere else thing has been done before. there is not harmless place to shoot someone. again this is something the courts have spoken on.
and you are wrong, it was not murder, and it was performing lawful police duties, so thats two strikes for you.
care to chime in on something you actually know something about?

I served in army/navy and we didnt get plastic guns there.... And now i am a lawyer for 15+ years so i know thing or two about shooting fire arms and legal issues.

And in 99% of the world this would be attemped murder, this statement you get for active LEO in this topic as well, in Iran and USA probably those cops would be set free. But as i said your country, your laws, your streets.

I my country we had very calm night and i see no burned stores from my window or in morning news ( apart news from your country ).

Good day i wish you i have to take walk to my office...

 

[Hiryu2.0]

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".... It appears an armed citizen was defending the car dealership and opened fire on the rioter who was attempting to vandalize or burn the dealership down Before this shooting took place, the rioters were planning to burn down their “next car dealership” "

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Two killed, one injured in shooting during third night of unrest in Kenosha

At least two people were killed and another was injured in a shooting Tuesday night in Kenosha, Wisconsin, amid widespread chaos and looting following the police shooting of Jacob Blake, police sai…

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[Hiryu2.0]

New video shows moments leading up to shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha

New video captures the moments leading up to the police shooting of a 29-year-old Black man in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

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