Significant added capability for Finnish Air Force.

Finland to acquire AARGM-ER anti-radiation missiles for its F-35 fighters

Finland’s Minister of Defense authorizes the purchase of AARGM-ER anti-radiation missiles for F-35 Lightning II fighters.

Defense Minister Antti Häkkänen authorized the Finnish Defense Forces on October 23, 2024, to purchase Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) missiles. The missiles, to be procured by the Finnish Defense Forces Logistics Command, will enhance the survivability of the F-35 multirole fighter operating under the threat of adversary ground-based long-range air defense systems. The AGM-88G AARGM-ER missiles will be used with the Finnish Air Force’s F-35A multirole fighter, replacing the capabilities of the F/A-18 Hornet.

The procurement includes missiles, software, spare parts, accessories, manuals and documentation, transportation services, as well as manufacturer and supplier training, repair and support services in 2024-2031, as set out in the Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA). The missile system will be delivered in accordance with the service introduction schedule for the Finnish Air Force’s F-35A multirole fighters.

Northrop Grumman AARGM-ER

The AGM-88G AARGM-ER represents a new type of capability for the Defense Forces that has not been procured before by Finland. The missiles to be purchased are part of the weapons included in the F-35A fighter acquisition package. The need for the capability achieved with Northrop Grumman’s AARGM-ER missiles was recognized during the bidding phase of the HX Program, and the request for authorization to procure the 150 missiles was submitted to the U.S. Government in 2018. The U.S. Congress authorized the sale of the missiles to Finland in the fall of 2023, in a deal valued at $500 million. Finland is one of the first countries outside the United States to be authorized to sell AGM-88G AARGM-ER missiles.

 
@Mike1976

Have you by any chance read anything in Dutch media about what's going on at Damen's? On this side of the Rhine, the media say that the German F126 frigate programme has become heavily delayed (with no work having taken place during the past six months) because Damen struggles to come up with technical drawings. Apparently, it's some sort of data corruption issue which prevents them from distributing their construction plans to the programme's various subcontractors?
 
@Mike1976

Have you by any chance read anything in Dutch media about what's going on at Damen's? On this side of the Rhine, the media say that the German F126 frigate programme has become heavily delayed (with no work having taken place during the past six months) because Damen struggles to come up with technical drawings. Apparently, it's some sort of data corruption issue which prevents them from distributing their construction plans to the programme's various subcontractors?
Nope, nothing.
 
@Mike1976

Have you by any chance read anything in Dutch media about what's going on at Damen's? On this side of the Rhine, the media say that the German F126 frigate programme has become heavily delayed (with no work having taken place during the past six months) because Damen struggles to come up with technical drawings. Apparently, it's some sort of data corruption issue which prevents them from distributing their construction plans to the programme's various subcontractors?
The last two things I read was that on 4th June the keel was laid for the first ship and on the 19th an order was placed for two additional ships. Nothing about problems back then.
 
Following an order for 5 Embraer C-390M cargo aircraft in June to replace 4 aging C-130s the Netherlands has now placed an order for two simulators, one for cargo space and one for the cockpit.

 
Finland procures new type of mortar, TREMOS from Patria. It's a platform that can be thrown on a truck with a hook lift, and doesn't need supports, so that it can take off right after fire mission. It can use old 81mm or 120mm tubes. Good budget replacement for old towed mortars.

Finland to purchase new mortar system from Patria

The Finnish Defence Forces will acquire a modular 120 mm mortar system from Patria. The procurement involves a pre-series of the new mortar system, set for delivery to the Finnish Army in 2025. The new mortar system integrates traditional heavy mortar weapons into a modular carriage, which is then mounted on a military truck. This system can utilize both existing and new traditional heavy mortars, along with the current fire management system, and it can be installed on various vehicles through its integration module. The solution is scalable to any kind of mortar system.

"Patria has enhanced the mobility of heavy mortars in excellent collaboration with the Finnish Army and the Finnish Defence Forces Logistics Command, creating a new weapon system. It has already undergone testing, and the pre-series agreement was promptly signed. Decades of experience in developing and manufacturing different weapon systems, such as the Patria AMOS and Patria NEMO mortar systems, have been applied in this development," states Jussi Järvinen, Patria’s Executive Vice President, Finland Division.

The Finnish Army refers to this ongoing project for a new mortar as the 120 KRH M3 mortar system. Patria introduced its new weapon system at the Future Mortar Systems conference in London on October 29, 2024, under the name Patria TREMOS.


To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Nettisivulle kuva 29102024_0.webp
 
I wonder what Scholz got out of the deal in return. Don't underestimate the gravity of that decision by German standards. The Typhoon is one of the world's most potent combat aircraft, and Berlin just sold 40 of them to a country whose president publicly muses about attacking Israel.
 
I wonder what Scholz got out of the deal in return. Don't underestimate the gravity of that decision by German standards. The Typhoon is one of the world's most potent combat aircraft, and Berlin just sold 40 of them to a country whose president publicly muses about attacking Israel.
Turkey takes back some of its problem children from Germany?
 
In other news, November's issue of 'die reserve' (the member's magazine of the German Reservists' Association) reports that the buildup of Germany's military reserves goes rather smoothly. Shockingly smoothly even, considering how piss-poor our perfomance usually is.

The first milestone having been met ahead of schedule, they've found enough volunteers for 12 homeland defence regiments, 5 of which have already been stood up. The regimental structure is going to vary depending on the environment (for example, a coastal region's regiment will have a different order of battle than one recruited in the Alps), but as a rule of thumb every regiment will have a headquarters company, three homeland defence companies (one doubling as a training company), and a fires company.

The idea behind the concept could be paraphrased as "light infantry minus". The homeland defence MOS includes some infantry tactics and capabilities, but with a strong emphasis on point defence. They'll not be able to fight offensively. They don't need to, though, their objective rather being to secure the hinterland in the event of war and give assistance to the civilian power.

Seems like it was a good idea to transfer the homeland defence organization to the German Army. I considered applying a couple of years back, but the project was not prioritised at all and homeland defence companies were seen as mere replacement holding units at the time. They didn't even have their own equipment and were often sent on the most ridiculous of tasks, like hunting down minks escaped from a fur farm.

Might reconsider that decision, now that the reserve is given the attention it deserves.
 
I guess that will cover needs until the Kaan goes into production (whenever that might be).
The completion of the Kaan jet will take at least a decade. For jets like these, or even the smallest MRAPs, components from dozens of countries are required. It’s impossible to produce something 100% domestically. Even cars are manufactured using thousands of parts sourced from numerous countries. Indeed, these Typhoons are essential for Turkey, as the U.S. will not supply F-35s and will instead offer the Viper, but their delivery will also take over 10 years. Therefore, these jets are critical for Turkey. Otherwise, the capability level might drop as low as the JF-17 kinda jets for TAF.

Turkey experienced a similar scenario during the Cyprus War. Until the F-4 and F-16 arrived, Turkey procured jets from Canada, Italy, and Denmark. Even the F-5s used by the Turkish Stars are Canadian-made. Turkey protected its airspace with Italian F-104S jets until the 1990s. The Bell helicopters in Turkey are actually European-made Agusta models, and even for attack helicopters, we use the T129, a version of the Italian A129.

When it comes to the S-400s, these defense systems were not purchased because we couldn’t obtain Patriots. On the contrary, Turkey currently has three nuclear power plants under construction with funding from three different countries—Korea, Russia, and Japan. The S-400s were acquired specifically to protect these nuclear facilities (one of them at north of Cyprus). In the event of a potential war with Greece or NATO member who knows future or a threat from Cyprus or Israel, an attack on these nuclear facilities would devastate Turkey and Patriots cant lock on NATO targets.
States do not have religions or emotions; they have interests. That’s why I believe these systems were acquired.
 
1731708538444.webp


1731708544275.webp


Turkey was involved in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program as a production partner until 2019. Turkish companies were responsible for producing numerous components for the F-35, including critical parts. Below is a list of some of the key components produced in Turkey:

  1. Fuselage parts:
    • Center fuselage assemblies
    • Structural components for the mid-section of the aircraft
  2. Landing gear components:
    • Landing gear assemblies
    • Locking mechanisms for the landing gear
  3. Aircraft engine components:
    • Compressor rotors
    • Engine shafts
    • Titanium parts for the propulsion system
  4. Weaponry integration systems:
    • Weapon bay doors
    • Missile interface components
  5. Avionics and electrical systems:
    • Wiring harnesses
    • Circuit boards
  6. Composite parts:
    • Advanced composite materials for external surfaces
  7. Cockpit components:
    • Display systems
    • Ejection seat systems
These parts were manufactured by Turkish companies like TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries), ASELSAN, and ROKETSAN, which contributed to various subsystems of the aircraft.
 
I wonder what Scholz got out of the deal in return. Don't underestimate the gravity of that decision by German standards. The Typhoon is one of the world's most potent combat aircraft, and Berlin just sold 40 of them to a country whose president publicly muses about attacking Israel.
There are some undeniable realities where Germany stands to achieve a win-win with this move. Firstly, they are compelled to support strengthening the European front against the Russia-China bloc & after Trump what awaits Europe no one knows. The British, being progressive on this matter earlier, have never imposed sanctions on Turkey.

Secondly, the new era demands new weapons, and the German defense sector is particularly advanced in areas such as tanks, artillery, and weapons. Isolating Turkey could lead to significant losses for Germany. For example, companies like Rheinmetall could profit from selling Leopard 2A7 derivatives or parts to Turkey, particularly for Turkey’s national main battle tank project, which has been delayed for decade (Altay).

In return, Turkey could provide one of its best product that produces for world economy, "steel," for tanks and similar military equipment to Germany. This also prevents dependency on a single source (Sweden) and promotes competition (price affordability).

Otherwise, if Turkey turns to countries like South Korea for tank production, Germany would face a significant export loss. I believe this is why the German leadership made this decision.
 
Patriots very definitely can and have locked onto NATO targets. And even accidentally shot them down.

The S400 purchase was one of the dumbest ones made by Turkey.
Of course, it's nonsense, but I don't think a big country would make such a foolish decision; there must be a reason behind it.
 

Similar threads

Back
Top