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[Mike1976]

Portugal spends in defense half of what is officially reported to NATO
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Don't be so surprised. It’s called "financial enginnering"

Those fancy navy plans are nothing but distractions.

"Look busy guys or they'll start asking questions"

 

[Redav]

Those fancy navy plans are nothing but distractions.

"Look busy guys or they'll start asking questions"

Spot on

And the current chief of the navy is a total politician that went up in his career sponsored by the previous socialist government that put him in charge of the covid vaccination program. He is hated within the navy bc he is a narcisist dictator. But he sells his fish well, as we say here.

But this "incorrect" information provided for NATO is an old tradition already...

 

[Picanha]

Grille drones for automatic wounded evacuation

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[muck]

I'm skeptical of that concept.

I get it, it sucks risking a couple of guys' lives to rescue one casualty; but a human rescue party with brains between them could proceed methodically and with care, using the terrain to their advantage, drastically increasing both their and the casualty's chances of survival. What's this thing going to do, though? Other than getting shot down, probably with some poor soul inside its belly like a fricking tortoise egg?

 

[Picanha]

It's a bit creepy but I think it can work.

Caring and evacuating wounded is a time consuming thing.

I have a training as a Hilfssanitäter meant I was trained to pick up the wounded directly on the front lines.

Carrying four in a KRKW after I dragged them 2000 m there is maybe not the future anymore.

I also couldn't care about them while en route the medics told me how to load them respective to their injuries. Then off I went.

Then they were only at a first field medical installation.

It was expected that some die while I transport them...

This is of course a full war scenario where there is not always a real combat medic available fighting for every life.

So I think it can improve chances.

Russkis use drones on medics and their vehicles anyway.

 

[muck]

The Foreign Military Sales request for the F127 frigate project has been published. […] Currently, the MEKO A400 AMD design is being favoured for the programme.

Thyssen-Krupp has pitched an updated variant of their A-400 AMD for the F-127 programme; since they're the only ones who've forwarded an offer, we're likely looking at the finished product here. They've specified that their ship would be 160 m (525 ft) long over all, displace 10,000 tons, have a maximum speed of 32 knots and offer an endurance of more than 30 days (which would be a first for the German Navy). That thing would be crewed by a complement of only 150, but with additional space for 70 people (e.g. special forces or a naval staff). They've made some notable changes to the design, including a sonar mounted parallel to the forward vertical launch system. (Source)

 

[BravoZulu]

Thyssen-Krupp has pitched an updated variant of their A-400 AMD for the F-127 programme; since they're the only ones who've forwarded an offer, we're likely looking at the finished product here. They've specified that their ship would be 160 m (525 ft) long over all, displace 10,000 tons, have a maximum speed of 32 knots and offer an endurance of more than 30 days (which would be a first for the German Navy). That thing would be crewed by a complement of only 150, but with additional space for 70 people (e.g. special forces or a naval staff). They've made some notable changes to the design, including a sonar mounted parallel to the forward vertical launch system. (Source)

Possibly how it will look

 

[Redav]

Possibly how it will look
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German F127 AAW Frigate Takes Shape

The German F127 AAW Frigate takes shape through a contract solicitation by US DoD and builder TKMS publishing their A-400 AMD frigate design.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Picanha]

US to station Tomahawks, SM6 and hypersonic missiles in Germany.

Abschreckung nach Osten: USA wollen weitreichende Waffensysteme in Deutschland stationieren

Deutliches Signal aus Washington: Die USA verstärken die militärische Abschreckung zum Schutz der Nato-Partner in Europa. Ab 2026 sollen in Deutschland zeitweise Marschflugkörper vom Typ Tomahawk und andere weitreichende Waffen stationiert werden.

rp-online.de

The SM6 / Tomahawk Container

Army Activates Latest Land-Based SM-6, Tomahawk Battery Based on Navy Tech - USNI News

Last week, the Army stood up its second Typhon battery at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Wash., based on launchers used on Navy guided-missile warships. Delta Battery is the latest missile unit to join the 1st Multi-Domain Task Force’s (MDTF) Strategic Fires Battalion. Composed of batteries from the...

news.usni.org

Tomahawk has a range of 2000km

 

[Picanha]

Russia is angry and threatens consequences. Like the clown country always does so nothing new here

Astonishingly the greens are sceptical of Olaf's decision. A German paradox as always.

Anyway they will come and that's all that counts.

This will give Germany time to develop very long range cruise missiles too.

US cruise missiles to return to Germany, angering Moscow

The missiles will be deployed periodically from 2026 for the first time since the Cold War.

www.bbc.com

 

[haze99]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...1&cvid=c00aae5530ff4cf3ab3daf0e935071b6&ei=11]

 

[muck]

Interesting little tidbit: With deliveries of their freshly-ordered KC-390's not to commence before 2027, the Austrians want a new transport aircraft so urgently they're in talks with Embraer to buy or lease their pre-production test aircraft. (Source)

I like it. Out-of-the-box thinking.

 

[Nathyl]

Interesting little tidbit: With deliveries of their freshly-ordered KC-390's not to commence before 2027, the Austrians want a new transport aircraft so urgently they're in talks with Embraer to buy or lease their pre-production test aircraft. (Source)

I like it. Out-of-the-box thinking.

Good thinking, but it's not an easy thing to do.

They will have to clear it not only with Embraer, but also with the Brazilian Air Force (FAB).... She is the real “owner” of the plane.

Besides this aircraft is very busy these days with tests, integration trials, air demos and training of foreign crews after the loss of the other prototype aircraft (PT-ZNF).... The FAB would have to release one of its own KC-390s already in service or in course of being delivered and lend it to Embraer to replace it.

The PT-ZNJ is scheduled to be the FAB-2851 when it enters final service with the Brazilian Air Force after the end of its task as a test and development platform for Embraer.

I guess it will depend on how badly the FAB needs the financial compensation Austria puts on the table.

 

[muck]

It's not all bad news in Germany: Military recruitment has gone up 15%. (Source)

 

[muck]

German F127 AAW Frigate Takes Shape

The German F127 AAW Frigate takes shape through a contract solicitation by US DoD and builder TKMS publishing their A-400 AMD frigate design.

www.navalnews.com

More news: (Source)

• 5+1 option planned
• Parliamentary approval sought in Q4 2024
• Contract to be signed in Q1 2025
• Measurements:
  • Displacement: 10.000 tons
  • Length overall: 160 m (525 ft)
  • Beam: 21 m (69 ft)
  • Draught: 5.5 m (18 ft)
• Endurance: 30 days / 4.000 nautical miles
• Speed: >31 knots
• Crew: 150 + 75 if needed
• Battle management system: AEGIS + CMS 330
• Main sensors: SPY 6 or SPY 7 [sonar shown but not mentioned in the article]
• Effectors:
  • 127 mm main gun
  • 8× Naval Strike Missile
  • Mark41 VLS, 64 cells for
    • SM-2[IIIC]
    • SM-3 [for but not with; apparently only as a potential replacement for a planned indigenous missile]
    • SM-6
    • Tyrfing, vertically launched
    • Tomahawk
  • 2× Sea Lion helicopters
  • 2× RIM-116 Block 2B
  • 2× MSI Mk38 30 mm autocannon [probably]
  • 2× HEL effectors

Interestingly enough, the German Navy has recently decided to ditch its favoured MLG27 autocannon in favour of MSI's Mk38, due to its ability to fire airburst ammunition against drones. MSI has already been awarded a contract to replace the MLG27's of F123 class frigates during scheduled maintenance work, and it is highly believed that the entire fleet will be getting the new weapon soon.
It's also news to me that a vertically launched variant of Tyrfing is to be developed.

 

[Redav]

Someone needs to inform the head of the Portuguese Navy.

He stated that frigates would cease to exist.

 

[muck]

Someone needs to inform the head of the Portuguese Navy.

He stated that frigates would cease to exist.

Frankly, there's a worrying tendency to rush jobs right now. Everyone is looking at Ukraine and thinks they can draw definitive conclusions from that war without ever considering the fact that 1. the Ukrainians are stymied by shortages and Western caveats and 2. that the Russians' perfomance is piss-poor in many aspects and not indicative of the limitations of modern warfare.

This is not a viable experiment, the results are being skewed by artificial conditions. What better example than the fabled Bayraktar drone?

After 2020's Nagorno-Karabakh War and particularly after the first weeks of the War in Ukraine, journalists, politicians and "experts" the world over were basically creaming their pants with excitement about those things, declaring the age of the tank over and the dawn of the age of the drone. And what became of that? Ukraine has revealed their Bayraktars flew all of 42 sorties during the initial invasion (Source). That's all. Once the Russians had realised you can't invade a country without bringing air defence systems, the Bayraktars became sitting ducks.

 

[Redav]

On the contrary, our navy chief thinks that drones will be the answer for everything.

His greatest dream is this drone carrier (without escorts ahahah)

Portugal Orders “Multifunctional Naval Platform” D Joao II – SeaWaves Magazine

seawaves.com

 

[muck]

KDNS is in the process of finalising a major RCH 155 self-propelled howitzer contract with Germany, the United Kingdom, Ukraine and Switzerland. Germany would receive 160 (on Boxer), Ukraine 54 (on Boxer), Switzerland 50 (on Piranha), and the UK 128*. (Source 1, Source 2)

*) The second source claims that the UK would order 400 systems, which must be an error considering that the entire production run would consist of 400 vehicles. One arrives at 128 vehicles by way of substraction.

 

[muck]

Germany is looking at a strategic missile deterrent capability. The option favoured by the Luftwaffe is a conventionally-armed land-based cruise missile with ranges in excess of 2,000 km. Such a weapon could be fielded before 2030. (Source)