Finland:
The Ministry of Defence authorised the Defence Forces to order SPIKE SR, LR2 and ER2 missile systems. The procurement was implemented through NATO Support and Procurement Agency (NSPA) and the Land Combat Missiles partnership programme. The product manufacturer is Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd.

The procurement also includes munitions, training equipment, maintenance equipment, training, documentation and spare parts. Delivery equipment for the systems will be procured through a separate procurement in Finland.

The overall value of the procurement, without value added tax, is EUR 223.6 million. Spike SR and LR2 are procured to complement the anti-tank capabilities as part of the Army’s critical additional procurements. The procurement will increase the number of SPIKE LR missiles in the PSTOHJ2000M system and the new features of the SPIKE SR missiles that are procured for the first time will improve the capabilities of anti-tank troops.

The ER2 system procured for the Navy is a medium/long-range system suitable for coastal troops, capable of having an impact on vessels and buildings.

The systems will be maintained in cooperation with the strategic partner supplier Millog Oy. The employment effect of the system maintenance for Millog Oy is three person-years. The procurement will increase the maintenance of the SPIKE system at Millog Oy.
https://www.defmin.fi/en/topical/pr...t_and_long-range_missiles.13267.news#0f3cecf4
 
Germany's armed forces, the Bundeswehr, has been experiencing serious technical problems with its Puma infantry fighting vehicles, according to a report in Der Spiegel magazine on Saturday.

After a training exercise involving 18 state-of-the-art Puma infantry fighting vehicles, not a single one was left operational, the report said.

The situation has caused a stir in the Defense Ministry because the vehicles are supposed to participate in NATO's spearhead Very High Readiness Joint Task Force next year.

The Pumas assigned to the task force will instead be replaced with the older but proven Marder infantry fighting vehicle "until further notice," Major General Ruprecht von Butler said in a letter to the ministry, according to Der Spiegel. https://www.dw.com/en/technical-pro...94I7tcy26392oEQ_v4Xmxuce5J55IfPi7z3qBX0Dv8jMs
 
Members of the military community allege it wasn't the vehicle that was the problem, but planning. They say that the maintainers weren't supplied with spares, and apparently the civilian contractors tasked with training the maintainers weren't brought in. Apparently, the vehicles had been scheduled to undergo maintenance before the exercise but for some reason that never happened.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
Germany announced the refusal to purchase Puma infantry fighting vehicles. Instead, the NATO Rapid Response Force will use the Marder infantry fighting vehicle. As it turned out, all 18 German Puma infantry fighting vehicles, which are in service with the 37th brigade, were out of order due to problems with electronics. The breakdown occurred over eight days of NATO Rapid Response Force exercises. They knew about the problems of armored vehicles, but no one thought that they would be so massive. The problems with the electronics escalated after the machines were given an excessive load. BMP "Marder" entered service with Germany in 2015 in the amount of 350 pieces. The vehicle is armed with a 30 mm MK 30-2/AVM automatic cannon, a 5.56 mm MG4 machine gun and a 76 mm grenade launcher.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
I swear that this is not a joke, this is what the Portuguese Navy has been reduced to.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
Germany announced the refusal to purchase Puma infantry fighting vehicles. Instead, the NATO Rapid Response Force will use the Marder infantry fighting vehicle. As it turned out, all 18 German Puma infantry fighting vehicles, which are in service with the 37th brigade, were out of order due to problems with electronics. The breakdown occurred over eight days of NATO Rapid Response Force exercises. They knew about the problems of armored vehicles, but no one thought that they would be so massive. The problems with the electronics escalated after the machines were given an excessive load. BMP "Marder" entered service with Germany in 2015 in the amount of 350 pieces. The vehicle is armed with a 30 mm MK 30-2/AVM automatic cannon, a 5.56 mm MG4 machine gun and a 76 mm grenade launcher.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
Full of factual errors, beginning only with the statement that the Marder entered service in 2015. :rolleyes: Jesus, people, check your sources.
 
Sweden:
Saab and the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) have today signed a contract and Saab has received an order to ensure the continued operability of and provide capability enhancements to the fighter aircraft JAS 39 Gripen C/D. The order value is approximately SEK 3.5 billion and the contract period is 2023-2029. The contract also includes options that enable FMV to place additional orders for capability enhancements during 2023.

The enhancements will provide Sweden with a more effective and powerful fighter capability. The aircraft will be equipped with a new version of the engine, which will enhance flight performance. A more effective electronic warfare system will also be introduced and the upgrade will create conditions for increased attack capability with a new payload.

The order encompasses an upgrade to Saab’s latest fighter radar, which provides increased performance with emphasis on enhanced fighter capability and extended detection and tracking range. It also includes an upgraded and future-proof avionic system which, among other features, enables fast software updates of the sensor function.

“This upgrade will provide the Swedish Air Force with a significantly stronger fighter capability. The contract is a big leap ahead in terms of radar performance and functionality, both for the hardware and software, and will future-proof the operational capability of Gripen C/D,” says Jonas Hjelm, Head of Saab’s business area Aeronautics.

The capability enhancement will enable better interoperability between Gripen C/D and Gripen E, for example by the upgrade of support systems and data links. Interoperability is a prerequisite as the platforms will be used in parallel over many years.
20221216-en-4429282-1.jpg

https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2022/saab-receives-order-for-upgrade-of-gripen-cd
 
Per daily 'Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung', KMW and Rheinmetall have strongly rejected the official German Army version of how eighteen Puma infantry fighting vehicles broke down during a recent week-long exercise. A spokesperson for the consortium said that only two vehicles turned out to be actually defect, whereas the vast majority had only minor issues not affecting their servicability: One Puma had a broken display because someone accidentally kicked their foot against it, another had a blown fuse, and a screw had come loose in a missile container holder on a third one. In one case, the crew had simply overlooked a switch needed to activate the auxiliary heating. Only two of the eighteen Pumas had been properly put out of action, one due to a fire in the driver's cabin and another due to a damaged turret ring, possibly as the result of an accident as "a sprocket ring like that does not just break". The spokesperson said that all Pumas but these two will be fixed within days. (Source, in German, behind paywall)

What. The. F***? Is this the G36 saga all over again?
 
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
Was the budget unfeasible?

I can't think of any other reason that no one would submit a bid unless they couldn't make a decent profit.
 
Was the budget unfeasible?

I can't think of any other reason that no one would submit a bid unless they couldn't make a decent profit.
It would cost "only " 100M€

A similar project by Italy is estimated in 280M€

Plus what the Navy desperately needs is an AOR and a Logistics Support Ship, not some crazy mambo jambo that nobody knows exactly what's for.
 
Last edited:
From Marineschepen.nl


Dutch Navy wants large heavily armed ships with a few crew members in the short term

Four large, low-manned ships, loaded with missiles. In the middle sails a frigate that can launch the missiles of these ships from a distance. In short, this is the idea that the Defense Materiel Organization (DMO) is working on for the navy and wants to test in the short term. The name: TRIFIC.

"TRIFIC stands for The Rapidly Increased Firepower Capability Royal Netherlands Navy", says Head of the Maritime Systems Department of DMO, KTZ Paul Flos.

Marineschips.nl recently visited this 'blue' department of DMO at the Kromhout barracks in Utrecht for an extensive interview with KTZ Flos. In this article we focus on TRIFIC, in the next piece we will take a closer look at the AMS department, ship design, Northern Naval Shipbuilding Cooperation and much more. The navy urgently needs more combat power. New frigates are coming that have more modern and capable weapon systems than the current ships. Cruise missiles are also on the wish list, but they must be placed in existing launchers. The battle power of the frigates can be increased by installing more launchers, but it will be years before the new ships arrive.

"Looking at current threats, we just need those missiles," says Flos. "When you see the number of missiles that are needed, at a certain point that doesn't fit anymore. Also not in the design of FuAD [replacement LCF, JK]." A year ago, Flos and his Head of Abovewater Technology, Johan den Arend, came up with the idea of using large unmanned ships of about 60 or 70 meters in length to increase the navy's effectiveness in the short term.

Flos: "While talking, we came up with a concept: a commercially available off-shore tender. You know them, a ship with a deckhouse at the front and then a very long deck. We completely fill that deck with missiles. ship has no other sensors apart from navigation radars,LCF [Air Defense and Command Frigate], an OPV [patrol ship] or other ship. And certainly the FuAD."

"The assignment I gave Johan and his team in March is to investigate whether this is possible and how quickly we can get it. Speed is important, because we need it now," says Flos. "We've put that concept down in a big sketch. Johan has traveled all over the world and has written a neat report. It turned out to be feasible. Part of this was also a TNO study into the best composition, which turned out to be a mother ship with four TRIFIC boats. By the way, these boats remain within sight: about five miles [more than nine kilometers, JK]."

An LCF has 40 vertical launch cells, really only for air defense missiles. On the left of the screen there is still room for expansion to 48, if the navy needs more missiles. Expansion is also possible with TRIFIC. Four TRIFIC ships together have 192 VLS cells. A Ticonderoga class cruiser has 122 launch cells, the largest Chinese cruisers ( Renhai class ) have 112. However, the costs for TRIFIC are significantly lower.

Rockets
The ships are commercially available off the market, but the missiles, of course, are not. DMO has spoken with numerous providers in the past year. Flos: "You can put containers with a launcher on the deck of those ships. We have spoken with French, German, Israeli and American suppliers for the missiles and launchers. An extremely short delivery time is also a requirement: delivery date within a year. Really unique, but it is possible."

"On a deck of a ship of 60 to 70 meters you can store about six containers with missiles. Eight missiles per container, times six. And there are even more if you put smaller missiles on it."

The weapons that can be launched are diverse: air defense missiles, cruise missiles. Flos: "You can set up anything you want, including loitering ammunition, if you need to support marines."

"There is also room for soft kill solutions with ECM [a kind of jammer to mislead incoming missiles, for example, JK], so that those four boats can also electronically pose as a large ship. If a missile then comes our way, it already has to choose. Incidentally, the TRIFIC ships are protected by the mother ship, through the missiles they have on board."

Placing only containers of weapons on the ships keeps the project "quick and cheap," says Flos.

Radar data The TRIFIC
ships do not have their own sensors. "Only a navigation radar. However, crypto and a link for the fire control data to be sent to the missiles."

The integration of this whole in the existing CMS (the software in the command center to fight with the frigate) is the biggest challenge, according to Flos. "Maritime IT says this is possible in the short term, that's what we're aiming for."

"Those boats also talk to each other. Because it must also be determined which ship is going to fire; which ship is the most convenient for that and which ship can fire at that time."

Not unmanned after all
Although the plan was to have these ships sail completely unmanned, that turned out to be a bridge too far.

"Unmanned ships with weapons, that is still difficult. So now we stick to low manned surface vehicles: LMSV. The ships have a small crew of ten men per boat. And in the current concept there is always a man in the loop. Fire control data goes from the mother ship to the TRIFIC boat and then there is someone else to assess whether the boat is allowed to fire safely, he or she then presses the button.In theory, someone else can also agree, but there is always someone between," says Flos.

"Eventually we will move to a low manned autonomous system. The third step is fully autonomous."

To the reality in The Hague
"The plan is described in the Defense memorandum as 'distributed action'", Flos continues. "Everywhere we present this concept, including at the CDS [Commander of the Armed Forces], people are convinced that we need it and that it is the right way to quickly increase combat power."

"We made a step-by-step plan. Start small and finish big. Think big, act small. What is the minimum concept we want and we want to test the concept," says Flos. The project is now in the hands of the Planning Directorate, which falls under the CDS and is responsible for multi-year plans and requirements. In consultation with them, we are looking at how we are going to roll out this plan.
 
So, this is the portuguese ship that never was

image.jpg


just out of curiosity, in the 1930s there were plans for the PN to have a "hidroplane carrier" that also never left the paper
We are very good in dreaming, then reality kicks in
 

Similar threads

Back
Top