Photos Ukraine Vs Russia 2014-2021

[nicememe]

Yeah, by actually invading Ukraine Russia pushed it out not the other way around. The whole concept of western society and principles on which the EU (and US for the most part) is based was the driver of social unrest during the 2014 events, not someone's involvement. Yes there was a lot of effort and support from the EU but it was consequence of those events not the spark that triggered it. To put it simple - Ukrainians wanted to live more like their western neighbours rather than those in the east. It's funny because considering the fact how many wealthy Russians buy real estates, assets and educate their children in the west making the same factual choice as the Ukrainians did.

And yes, what Russia does (as in many other places around the region- Abkhasia, Transnistria, Georgia, South Ossetia and in a way - Armenia) is the inflammation of the so called "Russkyi Mir" which means it is deeply interested in fueling the internal conflict in a bordering country so it does not fall into western sphere of influence beacause Russia itself cannot offer anything which is roughly comparable to the "western style of life". So in Ukraine it is not an internal conflict that burning only by itself. And to be honest, this is quite understandable from the Russian perspective beacuse it wants the buffer zone to exist and to be as large as possible.

The clandestine actions of main world powers is another story and for sure they there was a lot of influence from all interested parties.

Ukrainians did not one day wake up on 2013 and suddenly decide "Oh, lets burn Kiev down because, suddenly, I want to live like in EU."
The fact of the matter is that there was a lot of effort from the west aimed at creating an illusion, that if the society overthrows a pro-Russian regime, they will be pushed into EU-paradise as a consequence. This was never the case, but the EU made virtually zero efforts to clarify this.
There were no EU politicians or representatives going to Maidan, going on stage and saying "Wait guys. We won't really make you a EU member. And no, we won't provide you with German salaries." Instead, there was a one-sided push from both US and EU politicians and information sphere, aimed at demonizing Russia and glorifying the west. In traditional terms, this is called "propaganda", when you tell half-truths to twist society's political consciousness into a particular direction.

It was psychological warfare aimed at the population, to flip a country, that was for many years deeply integrated into Russia's economic and political sphere. Once the gig worked and brought its fruits in the form of a coup d'état, accompanied with violence against the police and pro-Russian demonstrators, all within the context of the emergence of radicals in positions of power, Russia at that point no longer cared about the opinion of the Ukrainian society, because as I said, it was futile to believe that Russia can counter the brainwashing that has already been dealt to the average Joe in Kiev.

To assume that Russia is genuinely interested in having its backyard in flames is a deep misinterpretation of eastern geopolitics. Russia can and will only profit from an environment that is politically and economically friendly to it. And this is understood not only by Russia, but also by the US.

 

[nicememe]

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Why yes.
About disinformation and propaganda, something I actually wanted to share today, although something I would ideally prefer not to, because I recently got doxed pretty bad, pretty bad. But anyway let's hope its not our local counter-intelligence that's occupying its time with someone as boring as me, so here's the deal:
Recently I was part of an audience at a particular platform where respected representatives of political studies on behalf of EU were giving lectures on the nature and threat of propaganda.

Their opening statements were: "We will explain propaganda using the examples from the past 10 years, with reference to Russia, US, EU, China."
Their actual 99% of speech time was devoted entirely to: Russia.
The remaining 1% was merely a one-liner that China spreads stories about being a "superpower"
Nothing mentioned about disinformation on behalf of US and EU. (despite promises to mention something)

Their content of supposed Russian propaganda included:
- every single theory about MH17 that has ever emerged on the internet, be that on reddit, 4chan, twitter, or Russian social networks. All of this was clamped together into one, and somehow directly attributed to the Russian state.
- every single theory about vaccines, their side-effects, dangers, popularity, that has ever emerged from any anti-vaxxer's mouth anywhere in the world, was directly attributed to the Russian state. (so apparently in their general perspective, if something's wrong with AZ, it's Russia's fault. And if something is wrong with J&J it's also somehow Russia's fault)
- every single anti-EU/Eurosceptic opinion within EU is also the result of Russia's targeted propaganda against liberal democracies.

Cherry on the top: during Q&A every single of my questions was ignored. (which is ironic because their advice to countering propaganda was "asking questions")

So to end this short story on a high note, here's my findings on the nature of hybrid warfare that I managed to accumulate over several years which this recent experience I had, only reinforces:

- If you want to wage hybrid warfare against your foe, first accuse him of waging hybrid warfare against you, and mention it enough times for it to sink in for every observer
- Invent news that he created a massive "troll factory" that spreads "disinformation", keep repeating it until that sinks in too
- Create and fund "Anti-Fake News" platforms, which will produce war propaganda under the guise of "exposing disinformation"
- Train your NPCs to respond with "paid troll!" to all statements that contradict your desired political position
- Train your media to engage in selective reporting, where negative news about your foe receive excessive coverage, and positive news receive no coverage at all
- Don't let your foe talk too much; limit his access to public platforms and forums under every possible pretext

 

[daily666]

It was psychological warfare aimed at the population, to flip a country, that was for many years deeply integrated into Russia's economic and political sphere.

Sorry to pick just one line but it shows exaclty why I see it differently. You could use the same argument in 1989 towards countries in CEE. People were not brainwashed by some mythical psyop or propaganda. They had the ability to see the western world in the satellite tv and wanted their lifes to change. It was hard for many as time shows, but I think the effort was worth it.

 

[nicememe]

Sorry to pick just one line but it shows exaclty why I see it differently. You could use the same argument in 1989 towards countries in CEE. People were not brainwashed by some mythical psyop or propaganda. They had the ability to see the western world in the satellite tv and wanted their lifes to change. It was hard for many as time shows, but I think the effort was worth it.

Everybody always wants his life to change, and grass is always greener on the other side. But if that would merit overthrowing your government every time you feel like it, and antagonizing half of your population for yolo reasons, there would be no states or borders and we'd all be living in perpetual anarchy. It doesn't seem like it was "worth it" or ever will be for Ukraine, and enough people saw this, but their voices weren't loud enough to be heard in a chorus of "Slava Ukraine!" and "Hto ne prigaet, tot Moskal".
The S**t the revolutionaries were doing and believing was no different in degrees of extremism and schizophrenia than the BLMs or Antifas of today, just with an additional taste of nationalism. And no matter how strongly your soul is attracted to the greener grass across the fence, no pure fantasies of a bright future can radicalize you to this degree, unless you're intentionally pushed in that direction.

From the very beginning of the Peremoga, there was a clear goal of antagonizing not the Russian state but antagonizing Russia as a nation, and it was in fact Ukraine that started this antagonism with full support from its still dazzled society.

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And it worked.
This is cheap, short-sighted, and never could lead Ukraine to obtain any of the "glory" it keeps mumbling about today at the end of every sentence it mutters.

 

[nicememe]

Anyway, switching topics from how Ukraine assraped its future, to what's going on at uamap today, some interesting remarks:

 

[daily666]

Anyway, switching topics from how Ukraine assraped its future, to what's going on at uamap today, some interesting remarks:

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Yeah, you're right, let's get the best out of this site hoping sh*t won't hit the fan.

 

[morris]

Some ships of the Caspian Flotilla in the Sea of Azov as of 04/15/2021

 

[morris]

Zelenskiy had written to von der Leyen to invite her to Kyiv to attend a 30th anniversary celebration of Ukrainian independence, as well as a first-ever “Crimean Platform” summit meeting, which is aimed at showing support for Ukrainian sovereignty over the peninsula that was invaded and annexed by Russia in 2014.
But Seibert sent a response letter under his own signature to turn down the invitation and express von der Leyen’s regrets, rather than under the Commission president’s name as is customary protocol.
Rejecting such an invitation could raise doubts about von der Leyen’s commitment to demonstrating support for Ukraine.

She simply doesn't want to be stack in the toxic bog that Ukraine has become.

 

[Redav]

Two more Russian Landing ships entered the Black Sea

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closing off the Ukrainian ports of Mariupol and Berdyansk to traffic (Interfax Ukraine)

Not true in general, commerical ships are free to visit this ports. Note applied only for navy ships (and only navies are allowed there are the Russian and Ukr navy), so that is just blocked Urk ships to sail there, that is anyway not important while Ukr basically does not have navy, only several patrol boats.

 

[morris]

Next day Ukraine foreign ministry complained that Russians didn't listen and Ukraine warships were forced to retreat back to their base.

That came as Ukraine has warned that it could unilaterally build a nuclear arsenal if NATO refuses to permit it membership of the Western military alliance.

 

[morris]

Note applied only for navy ships (and only navies are allowed there are the Russian and Ukr navy),

Foreign navy ships had to have permission of both Russia and Ukraine to enter Azov sea even before the note.

 

[morris]

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As part of the control check during the winter training period, 15 ships of the Caspian Flotilla, including three artillery and eight landing boats, as well as support vessels, are making an inter-fleet transition from the Caspian to the Black Sea.
Can watch the group from 0:14

 

[nemipuka_]

Everybody always wants his life to change, and grass is always greener on the other side. But if that would merit overthrowing your government every time you feel like it, and antagonizing half of your population for yolo reasons, there would be no states or borders and we'd all be living in perpetual anarchy. It doesn't seem like it was "worth it" or ever will be for Ukraine, and enough people saw this, but their voices weren't loud enough to be heard in a chorus of "Slava Ukraine!" and "Hto ne prigaet, tot Moskal".
The S**t the revolutionaries were doing and believing was no different in degrees of extremism and schizophrenia than the BLMs or Antifas of today, just with an additional taste of nationalism. And no matter how strongly your soul is attracted to the greener grass across the fence, no pure fantasies of a bright future can radicalize you to this degree, unless you're intentionally pushed in that direction.

From the very beginning of the Peremoga, there was a clear goal of antagonizing not the Russian state but antagonizing Russia as a nation, and it was in fact Ukraine that started this antagonism with full support from its still dazzled society.

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And it worked.
This is cheap, short-sighted, and never could lead Ukraine to obtain any of the "glory" it keeps mumbling about today at the end of every sentence it mutters.

So basically, you're angry on eastern Europeans for abolishing Soviet hegemony over their countries. Yeah, that was obvious from a while.

The S**t the revolutionaries were doing and believing was no different in degrees of extremism and schizophrenia than the BLMs or Antifas of today, just with an additional taste of nationalism. And no matter how strongly your soul is attracted to the greener grass across the fence, no pure fantasies of a bright future can radicalize you to this degree, unless you're intentionally pushed in that direction.

It's amusing to see how the Russian propaganda describes Ukrainians as Fascists for its domestic public, but when facing western society, suddenly they are transformed into Antifa or BLM. And btw, accusing everything unpleasant to you of Fascism and marching on the streets of Donbass with communist flags is totally not Antifa itself, absolutely not.

 

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Next day Ukraine foreign ministry complained that Russians didn't listen and Ukraine warships were forced to retreat back to their base.

That came as Ukraine has warned that it could unilaterally build a nuclear arsenal if NATO refuses to permit it membership of the Western military alliance.

the border at Crimea-Ukraine had a pass to sea?

 

[nicememe]

So basically, you're angry on eastern Europeans for abolishing Soviet hegemony over their countries. Yeah, that was obvious from a while.

Not really. I'm angry about the fact that these post-Soviet republics transformed themselves into ethno-cracies. If you're a fan of EU, you probably know that the founding principles of EU were built on anti-nationalism, as nationalism was deemed to be the primary perpetrator in European wars. But somehow these post-Soviet republics that supposedly want to become part of the EU community, nevertheless base their identity and politics on extreme nationalism and ethnocentrism, which not only makes war a question of "when" and not "if", but also goes against the essence of EU identity as a whole. It's hypocrisy mixed in with stupidity and malice.

It's amusing to see how the Russian propaganda describes Ukrainians as Fascists for its domestic public, but when facing western society, suddenly they are transformed into Antifa or BLM. And btw, accusing everything unpleasant to you of Fascism and marching on the streets of Donbass with communist flags is totally not Antifa itself, absolutely not.

You answered your own question.

 

[nicememe]

That came as Ukraine has warned that it could unilaterally build a nuclear arsenal if NATO refuses to permit it membership of the Western military alliance.

I found this to be the funniest declaration of them all. To the point that I thought this was just fake news, as Ukraine can't be this dumb.
But if this intention isn't a bluff and is real, Ukraine may very quickly transform itself not only into an enemy of Russia, but into an enemy of pretty much everyone else ?

Leaving out the fact that creating a nuclear arsenal takes time, and any attempt to do so will likely be within SVR's/GRU's/FSB's sights immediately, making either immediate war with Russia imminent, or even possibly a crack down on Ukraine from UNSC itself. The question of nukes is just way too sensitive of a subject for anyone to turn a blind eye on this.

 

[nicememe]

Map created by UA side of potential RU attack

 

[tea-drinker]

That came as Ukraine has warned that it could unilaterally build a nuclear arsenal if NATO refuses to permit it membership of the Western military alliance.

So Ukraine is threatening to become a european north Korea / Iran, and that's going to get a pass? Cool! So rocket man and the mullahs, good to go now too?