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[Junglejim]

We shall see. Sometimes in a negotiation, the first or second position isn't the final agreement.

I guess we shall see. As I mentioned before, a trade war with China is bad thing but doable. However, if you add that with a trade war with other countries, thats too many fronts. Hope there really is some strategy behind all this.

If not, well my father sells farm fresh native chicken eggs, and I wouldn't want to whip a 75 years old man to be able to produce more for the new world market… but I will

 

[Mark Sman]

I guess we shall see. As I mentioned before, a trade war with China is bad thing but doable. However, if you add that with a trade war with other countries, thats too many fronts. Hope there really is some strategy behind all this.

If not, well my father sells farm fresh native chicken eggs, and I wouldn't want to whip a 75 years old man to be able to produce more for the new world market… but I will

Yeah, negotiations are a must. Nobody can fight on every single front.

But the most likely path is that deals get made.

 

[Junglejim]

Yeah, negotiations are a must. Nobody can fight on every single front.

But the most likely path is that deals get made.

Thats the thing though, Ihave no idea what deal is he asking for when a free trade with zero tariffs was already offered? Anything more than that would be the other side giving up too much on their side. Again ok if dealing one on one, but on multiple fronts.

There will be a point when these guys will think of just forming partnership to negate whatever ace the US has up its sleeve.

So the more time spent on stalling for an agreement by US, the more time is given on the others talking to each othr and finding their own trade solutions.

Example is HK just opened up free trade to the nations it is in talks with.

 

[Mark Sman]

Thats the thing though, Ihave no idea what deal is he asking for when a free trade with zero tariffs was already offered? Anything more than that would be the other side giving up too much on their side. Again ok if dealing one on one, but on multiple fronts.

There will be a point when these guys will think of just forming partnership to negate whatever ace the US has up its sleeve.

So the more time spent on stalling for an agreement by US, the more time is given on the others talking to each othr and finding their own trade solutions.

Example is HK just opened up free trade to the nations it is in talks with.

If I had to guess, no to low entry tariff, low to no add on taxes, and deregulation of access.

And no hidden or unofficial barriers.

 

[Chazman]

I can't say that I completely understand some of this stuff - maybe some of you guys will.

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[Chazman]

Well i guess the tariffs are not up for negotiations. They have turned down Europe and Virtnams free trade offer

There is a lot going on behind the scene. Much of it, we are not aware of.

 

[Chazman]

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Soon, Tik Tok itself may be owned by the US government.

 

[HorniePonie]

If I had to guess, no to low entry tariff, low to no add on taxes, and deregulation of access.

And no hidden or unofficial barriers.

EU countries aren't going to get rid of VAT anymore than the US is going to get rid of Trump - just not an option. Some minor deregulation may happen, but nothing large. If it's hard to find consensus in the EU on a normal day, it's impossible under these conditions.

 

[Mark Sman]

EU countries aren't going to get rid of VAT anymore than the US is going to get rid of Trump - just not an option. Some minor deregulation may happen, but nothing large. If it's hard to find consensus in the EU on a normal day, it's impossible under these conditions.

Then the EU will be paying a tariff rate that makes up for VAT and any other fees hidden or not.

 

[Junglejim]

why is vat even part of it? VAT is a tax on its own people. For example at a certain salary rate in this country, if low enough, you get no income tax. VAT was created on most goods, to ensure that the loss from the relief of income tax to the lower paid group is made up by VAT so that those who are paying income isnt saddled all the burden.

 

[HorniePonie]

Then the EU will be paying a tariff rate that makes up for VAT and any other fees hidden or not.

And the US will be paying counter tariffs and the EU the counter counter tariffs and so on...

It might be hard for the Americans to understand how ingrained in our society the VAT is on every level. Removing it from the US products would be equal to 25ish percent favor to the US over every other actor, foreign or domestic.

Edit: More accurately the US importers will be paying a tariff rate that makes up for VAT and the EU importers will be paying the EU counter tariffs and so on. The US and the EU member countries' governments will be collecting money, not paying anything. It's going to cost everyone one way or another though.

 

[PEMM]

Then the EU will be paying a tariff rate that makes up for VAT and any other fees hidden or not.

Please explain your issue with VAT already.

If the issue is lowered purchasing power, your better benchmark is the overall tax rates, that can be as high as 50%.

Removing it from the US products would be equal to 25ish percent favor to the US over every other actor, foreign or domestic.

Exactly, there is not going to be some sort of preferred status for US goods, over our own goods. No matter how much they put preferred status for their own goods in form of tariffs in the US.

 

[PEMM]

I can't say that I completely understand some of this stuff

Take into account that you are now dealing with authoritarian regime, that survived starving tens of millions of their own people. It might not be that easy.

 

[Telmar]

Difficult to be taken seriously when VAT is misunderstood.
I have tried

 

[madmax17]

Yeah, negotiations are a must. Nobody can fight on every single front.

But the most likely path is that deals get made.

Usa getting surrounded like Germany 1943 Art of teh stupid (deal).

Fighting all alone against the world, brilliant, how do you piss of CANADA! The politest peoples.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

"Many people are calling it 'The Great Fire of Rome'. But really, I think we should call it 'The Greatest Fire of Rome', because it- we all know, that's what it is. Sleepy Claudius, he could never have had a fire this great. And people tell me, they say to me 'Emperor Nero, that fire was the greatest, most beautiful fire that Rome has ever had'. It's true!"

 

[Junglejim]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-says-does-not-want-081553176.html

China raises it to 84%...

We have a dance off!!!

 

[Chazman]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-says-does-not-want-081553176.html

China raises it to 84%...

We have a dance off!!!

I've seen Trump dance, but never seen Xi. There appears to be no limit on raising these tariffs. They could both go to 1,000%.

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[Chazman]

It's happening.

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

Based on the lack of respect that China has shown to the World’s Markets, I am hereby raising the Tariff charged to China by the United States of America to 125%, effective immediately. At some point, hopefully in the near future, China will realize that the days of ripping off the U.S.A., and...

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[Chazman]

I told you guys to BUY last week. Although I never want to give financial advice.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/08/stock-market-today-live-updates-.html