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Oh, China does overstate its economic success – no doubt about it. The lack of transparency in that country downright obiges us to be suspicious until proven wrong. Having said that, does it really matter? I'm not being sarcastic; names like Lehman Brothers or Wirecard just popped up in my head. Our economies encourage building on sandy ground, too. Much to our benefit, I might add, however temporary.
They're hypocrites for sure, but your assessment strikes me as too simplistic. Capital has no natural affinity for authoritarianism, which more often than not fails to guarantee the certainty of the law investors need. The reason our economies are so deeply intertwined with China's is, quite frankly, not Beijing's fault. It's ours. The shortage of medicinal goods in 2020 put the hows and whys of that relationship on full display.

Who pays $1 for a surgical mask produced in Conneticut if a Chinese-manufactured one costs only 1¢? It's only logical Western manufacturers outsourced their production to China. And of course the consumers benefitted from that. I don't know about you, but I'm neither patriotic nor affluent enough to make a conscious effort to buy a domestic product if I can get a foreign one of roughly the same quality for way less money.

Heck, it's not just individual customers who gained from our reliance on China's economy. The difference between $1 and 1¢ for a surgical mask might as well be all that keeps a system like Britain's NHS from imploding – explaining why our governments don't mind our strengthening a bitter economical rival and potential future foe. The point is, if treason has been committed it has been committed by us all.
Well, that was the deal, wasn't it. We'll ship all our jobs, capital and technology to China, and China will supply the slave labor. The elites in the west are making more money on their people's decline than they did on their people's ascent. And that's just fine - for them
 
What do you mean?

Perhaps you don't remember how in 1972 President Nixon arrived in China for an official trip. He was the first U.S. president to visit the PRC because the US was seeking to improve relations with CCP during the Cold War to use it against USSR. It was idea as great as helping Osama bin Laden and his band of merry jihadists, the consecutive events were unintended of course just like now.
 
How can a clearly mercantile country join the WTO club. While both the US (Trump) and now EU complain about trade practices.
 
The elites in the west are making more money on their people's decline than they did on their people's ascent.
There's no decline. Morally and demographically, maybe. But in economical terms and human development, there's none. I'd recommend Ben Shapiro's debunking of that notion – or Steven Pinker's "Enlightenment Now" for a more in-depth analysis. It's a myth into which both the left and the right somehow manage to buy even though they can't both be right.
And that's just fine - for them
If you forced every Western household to throw out every household appliance, technical device or item of clothing which they were only able to afford because it'd been cheaply produced overseas, you'd gonna see a whole lot of empty houses. If you forced nations like Australia to forego trading with China, their economy would collapse spectacularly.
 
Explain the perpetually low never before seen interest rates, no economic growth in fact its all negative without the stimulus. No economic decline. Make me laugh.
 
Explain the perpetually low never before seen interest rates, no economic growth in fact its all negative without the stimulus. No economic decline. Make me laugh.
You should perhaps look at inflation rates between the 1870s and the outbreak of WW1. About half of those years were deflationary and almost all the rest were sub 1%. Likewise the interest rates of the time. There is no such thing as "never before seen".
 
Presuming you are aluding to NZ. This is not some developing anomaly... When they pulled back rations from the soldier settlers whom then had to abandon settlement.
 
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UK rates are regularly compared to being worse than the plague years.
The present era of declining interest rates to negative and predicted for late 20's a further more negative outlook from Japan to the UK. If you are developed expect no growth.
 
There's no decline. Morally and demographically, maybe. But in economical terms and human development, there's none. I'd recommend Ben Shapiro's debunking of that notion – or Steven Pinker's "Enlightenment Now" for a more in-depth analysis. It's a myth into which both the left and the right somehow manage to buy even though they can't both be right.
If you forced every Western household to throw out every household appliance, technical device or item of clothing which they were only able to afford because it'd been cheaply produced overseas, you'd gonna see a whole lot of empty houses. If you forced nations like Australia to forego trading with China, their economy would collapse spectacularly.
Agreed that TVs and athletic shoes are more affordable for the average Joe, but in return, mom, dad and uncle Tom have lost their jobs at the local plant because it was moved to China, in fact their whole industry is gone. It works as long as the people controlling these things, make a fortune in the deal and China is able to recruit laborers or slaves to make these products cheaply.

So fair enough if China was, oh I don't know, say Malaysia which has no lust for world domination. But it's not. The CCP wants to control the world. Ultimately your life and my life. And they are not very nice guys. They think absolutely nothing of exterminating whole populations or making them slaves to the State, even stealing their organs for profit before they are completely "disappeared".

These are the people we are sending our trillions, (with a T) of dollars and our technologies and industries to. At some point, those slave labor Nike's just aren't worth it.
 
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hehehehe westerners calling China out on exterminating people.
They were the bAAAAAd white people, we are no longer white people. We have changed.

Seriously, yeah we, pretty much like everyone on this planet, has a bit of history, possibly not been nice to the neighbours, once or twice.

Chinese probably no better and no worse than everyone else.

As to conquering the world, I'm not so sure. The world is as Nice old Mr Hitler found out, a pretty big place, if it came to China v the world, I think the 40 or so aircraft carriers, the world has, means no more chinese Navy, so they arent going to come by sea.

And the 50,000 tanks the world has, v 5000 chinese ones, again not going to come by land.....

And the Chinese tend to point out, that they havent invaded anyone in at least a few thousand years, UK cant get past 10 years, on that comparison....

Now if your talking financially, again I'm not convinced, sure there is a lot of growth in China/PAcific, thats because the population is growing, and a middle class is developing, as to China 'buying' London or New York, I cant see it. They slowly open up to our capital.

And as I said before, Chinese now want pensions, healthcare, roads, broadband etc, and it all costs money, within 10 years we will be back making things in our own countries, because lower labour cost wont cover the shipping cost, as long as our politicians dont buy the stupid 'green' agenda that making it in china keeps our air clean....

As to the average Joe, he needs to retrain, work in a shop, hairdresser, nurse, salesman, etc. or learn engineering, and build/fix robots etc.
 
They were the bAAAAAd white people, we are no longer white people. We have changed.

Seriously, yeah we, pretty much like everyone on this planet, has a bit of history, possibly not been nice to the neighbours, once or twice.

Chinese probably no better and no worse than everyone else.

As to conquering the world, I'm not so sure. The world is as Nice old Mr Hitler found out, a pretty big place, if it came to China v the world, I think the 40 or so aircraft carriers, the world has, means no more chinese Navy, so they arent going to come by sea.

And the 50,000 tanks the world has, v 5000 chinese ones, again not going to come by land.....

And the Chinese tend to point out, that they havent invaded anyone in at least a few thousand years, UK cant get past 10 years, on that comparison....

Now if your talking financially, again I'm not convinced, sure there is a lot of growth in China/PAcific, thats because the population is growing, and a middle class is developing, as to China 'buying' London or New York, I cant see it. They slowly open up to our capital.

And as I said before, Chinese now want pensions, healthcare, roads, broadband etc, and it all costs money, within 10 years we will be back making things in our own countries, because lower labour cost wont cover the shipping cost, as long as our politicians dont buy the stupid 'green' agenda that making it in china keeps our air clean....

As to the average Joe, he needs to retrain, work in a shop, hairdresser, nurse, salesman, etc. or learn engineering, and build/fix robots etc.
Not so much that the Chicoms will occupy other countries with military forces, more that they will heavily influence or outright control all the organs of power. The media, big tech, many/most political leaders. It's already happening. Even western countries like Italy are controlled - almost lock, stock and barrel by the CCP. And they certainly have undue influence/leverage on the Biden administration.
 
Not so much that the Chicoms will occupy other countries with military forces, more that they will heavily influence or outright control all the organs of power. The media, big tech, many/most political leaders. It's already happening. Even western countries like Italy are controlled - almost lock, stock and barrel by the CCP. And they certainly have undue influence/leverage on the Biden administration.
Well, hopefully this becomes apparent to the voters, and they sort it out.

I think the west is waking up, to what it partly created, covid has hopefully pushed the issue as well.

We really cant rely even on the most malevolent country to make everything, so we can just consume it. And Clearly we need to pay attention to what china does, and offer an alternative to the 'middle' countries.
 
But what when China is the leading economic power and has dwarfed the West? How will it work economically? How will the CCP dominated system work? Right now 75 percent of Chinas companies are state controlled and just superficially disguised as free market companies.

Who will lead these companies and how is innovation driven? The CCP wants to control everything.

So CCP owned companies complete against CCP owned companies then?
 
But what when China is the leading economic power and has dwarfed the West? How will it work economically? How will the CCP dominated system work? Right now 75 percent of Chinas companies are state controlled and just superficially disguised as free market companies.

Who will lead these companies and how is innovation driven? The CCP wants to control everything.

So CCP owned companies complete against CCP owned companies then?
we have a way to go:

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So probably one for the grandkids to worry about.
 
All the China is the enemy and what not is more of a geopolitical game at ensuring a new up and coming player gets beat. Everything China has done, almost all western powers have done before. It's just that we are on the recieving end and thus trying to take them down, its still The Great Game, its just now theres a new player and from a bench from the Eastern Conference.
 
hehehehe westerners calling China out on exterminating people.

@Fluff answered pretty accurately to this point already, JJ but I as a westerner am no descendants of Hitler, King Léopold of Belgium, or the slave owners crackers in America.

You know what? Most “westerners” are actually great grandson of people who were harvesting vegetables for a lifetime in the fields of Europe, and grandson of those that worked 50 more hours a week and 6 days per week in factories. Just ask the Britons, Irish, French or Poles. And the rest of Europe and America.

It’s a tiny minority of “westerners” and I know you mean white peoples by that that once ruled the world and you know what? Things are no different today with the infamous 1% of the world population owning 95% of the planet wealth.
 
Ah yes, "westerners" and "whypeepo" are supposed to carry the burden of things done centuries ago by their "ancestors".

Good old collective and skin color guilt.
 
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