Politics The EU is killing Europe

[PEMM]

If Putin did this, what would we say?

The right place for the blame are the lawmakers who made laws with sentences like "5 year ban for running for public office." For example in Finland in principle you could try to apply while sitting in prison, if you gather needed popularity. This is not EU wide issue.

in Russia everyone is corrupt, and the laws are arbitrarily used only against opponents.

If France is in such state (even with proof, "good guys" are not investigated while "bad guys" are), they have huge problems.

Or do we nowdays think that if someone is popular enough, they should be above the law?

 

[Chazman]

The right place for the blame are the lawmakers who made laws with sentences like "5 year ban for running for public office." For example in Finland in principle you could try to apply while sitting in prison, if you gather needed popularity. This is not EU wide issue.

in Russia everyone is corrupt, and the laws are arbitrarily used only against opponents.

If France is in such state (even with proof, "good guys" are not investigated while "bad guys" are), they have huge problems.

Or do we nowdays think that if someone is popular enough, they should be above the law?

I'm assuming LePen charges are baseless. Sounds familiar.

Georgescu is a Russian asset so will be disqualified, where have I heard that one before.

AfD must be isolated because we don't like them. Hmmm.

Europe is on a slippery slope, encouraged by the elites in Brussels.

Putin is smiling.

 

[Junglejim]

Putin would be smiling at a weakened EU, like if Le Pen would win. Are we now questioning the rule of law and courts based on if we like a candidate or not? Graft and Corruption is in all aspects of governance, I'm glad that there is still a country with limits on how much you can steal from the people.

 

[Chazman]

Putin would be smiling at a weakened EU, like if Le Pen would win.

When a handful of elites overrule the will of the people, we stop being free. Yes, Putin smiles.

 

[PEMM]

I'm assuming LePen charges are baseless. Sounds familiar

If you are assuming something, it must be true then, case closed.

We could have saved a lot of money on these police investigations and courts, while we could have just gone around assuming things. Or just ask the defendant, if they did it?

 

[Chazman]

If you are assuming something, it must be true then, case closed.

We could have saved a lot of money on these police investigations and courts, while we could have just gone around assuming things. Or just ask the defendant, if they did it?

What I'm saying is, that she was targeted. Some EU money ended up going to her political party, I'm not familiar with the laws enough to argue it. But I'm saying, if she wasn't who she was, that is, the opposition leader who was certain to win election, this wouldn't have happened.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Putin would be smiling at a weakened EU, like if Le Pen would win. Are we now questioning the rule of law and courts based on if we like a candidate or not? Graft and Corruption is in all aspects of governance, I'm glad that there is still a country with limits on how much you can steal from the people.

She wouldn't weaken the EU that much. If anything, the bureaucrats at the head of the EU parliament are doing all the necessary damage themselves.

Also, about that: "I'm glad that there is still a country with limits on how much you can steal from the people."

What country are you referring to exactly?

Surely not France I hope. Because you would be committing a profound mistake of appreciation there.

 

[Jake84]

What bugs me about all this Le Pen stuff is precisely what PEMM points out. There are the good and the bad felons by the look of it.

I don’t wanna turn into some National Rally spokesperson but seriously. If you become too popular on a national level and have some unpopular (for Macron, Van der Leyen and the likes) acquaintances like what I said in a previous post here; you can be assured things won’t be looking up.

Also the Putin talks does seem irrelevant in all honesty. Yes, she did meet him well before the UKR war, and that surely didn’t please anyone.

 

[Telmar]

What bugs me about all this Le Pen stuff is precisely what PEMM points out. There are the good and the bad felons by the look of it.

I don’t wanna turn into some National Rally spokesperson but seriously. If you become too popular on a national level and have some unpopular (for Macron, Van der Leyen and the likes) acquaintances like what I said in a previous post here; you can be assured things won’t be looking up.

Also the Putin talks does seem irrelevant in all honesty. Yes, she did meet him well before the UKR war, and that surely didn’t please anyone.

When you look at politicians, you find...and if you look only at right wing politicians you find dirt on them only.

 

[Junglejim]

Dont get me wrong Im not saying the other side is clean, now they are all in politics so should know the game. If Le Pen got hit with the crime of graft and corruption, then its all on her. If the right is in power, they would have done the same thing to those who threaten their hold.

@Ivan... well the courts cant still prosecute for graft and corruption in France, so that puts it above most nations. Dont worry I still remember France's paper thin biological suits issue back in the covid days. Did anybody actually got sent to jail because of that?

 

[haze99]

 France (March 2024)

58 graves covered in graffiti including 'France is already Allah's'

On Monday morning, 58 burial sites in Clermont-d'Excideuil cemetery, Dordogne, were discovered scrawled over in an incident that has left the neighbourhood outraged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ivan le Fou]

 France (March 2024)

58 graves covered in graffiti including 'France is already Allah's'

On Monday morning, 58 burial sites in Clermont-d'Excideuil cemetery, Dordogne, were discovered scrawled over in an incident that has left the neighbourhood outraged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

To be honest, these graffitis are way too clean and well written to have been made by Muslim youths.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

@Ivan... well the courts cant still prosecute for graft and corruption in France, so that puts it above most nations. Dont worry I still remember France's paper thin biological suits issue back in the covid days. Did anybody actually got sent to jail because of that?

There hasn't been any accountability for the way COVID was handled and there never will. Be it in France or anywhere else.

 

[Redav]

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[Chazman]

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[primer]

Lawfare our version of Russian windows...except there is a peculiar bounce for the wests victims and thats a problem we don't trust the law anymore.

 

[Jake84]

@Chazman The 20k new National Rally members figure is accurate.

As for next PM, she’s eying the 2027 Presidency as far as I know. It’s a long way, but we’ll see.

 

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[Ivan le Fou]

Huh... yeah... lots of people got beheaded during the Reign of Terror.

A lot of people got killed en-masse in various other ways, and in the end it was not in the name of liberty, equality and fraternity.

 

[muck]

But given your bullet points you have to seperate what are caused and aided by EU and what are national choices to have a meaningful discussion.

This. With all due respect, some of the posters here are clearly ill-informed about how the EU works (particularly with regard to what it can and cannot do), and just use "European Union" as a stand-in for politics they do not like.