Politics Riots in Gaza and Israel

what does Iran get out of all of this? How is their success as a country contingent on this behavior? What part of their national interest, their economy, depends on trying to bleed the Palestinians/Israel/themselves dry? None of their actions have led to anything good, nothing positive, how is it that the leaders of Iran see women and children dying as absolutely necessary to accomplish their goals?
Its not all on Iran, the Palestinians themselves seem to have no problem immolating their own women and children... SMH
Is it the religious differences? The enmity of arab muslims towards jews that is codified in the koran for all time, no chance of abrogation?

Just a supposition from my part:

islamists in all muslim countries thrive on pointing out the failures of the secular regimes that did not succeed in providing a better life for the people (who breeding as rabbits don´t help the outcome anyways). Charities are important as they deliver directly to families food, medcine, an create a social bond.

This weakens the more predictable governments such as Egypt, Jordan not to mention Lebanon or Syria.

Iran does´nt give a damn about the Arabs but is interested in the public opinion of the Arab world. By posting its support like it does, Iran gains a trolling position to be a nuisance to the regular (and western-oriented) Arab countries. It uses the issue to gain influence in the entire region as the nation that cannot be ignored, as the leader of people of muslim faith.

Before he was toppled, Khadaffi was also a fun guy: his radio signals from Tripoli overreaching to Egypt, Tunisia and other places, excited the people against the governments that betrayed their brothers in palestine. I was told that he had that much trolling power that in some cases he would just take off for an arab capital without informing anybody and arrive as some sort of hero...and noone could just shoot him because of his popularity.

Iran wants to be the "go-to" country when you want to do something in the Middle East. It´s regional politics.
 
Having had a look, it seems to be a good dose of UK responsibility, but basically yes one large area was split by the Jordan River. In todays world of cars and trucks, we can think it would have been better to move everyone into neat area, but in 1920 and even in 48 would have been difficult.

Much as it must pain the Palestinians and their supporters, we are where we are, several wars have been won and lost, thus fudging the issues further, the current situation seems pretty untenable for either side - Israel doesnt have great security, and Gaza is a glorified refugee camp, living on limited Aid.

Options mentioned so far:

1 - Israel is 'moved' to America, Australia -How? By force, by whom?
2 - 2 state solution, Israel controls the borders etc.
3- Move all the Palestinians to somewhere new, Israel pays for it?
4- fudge on, kill yours, kill mine.....
5- Iran destroys Israel, remaining israelis evacuated to USA. - given this would probably involve Nukes and Iran getting nuked, probably not the best option, to 'help' the Palestinians.

To most of the west, option 2 seems to best compromise/cost - what does everyone else think?
I think option 6 would be better - move all the Palestinian's to Iran - they can help to rebuild it economically :rolleyes:
 
Kurz angered Erdogan


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Iran uses the Palestinians as much as they use Iran. There is simply an overlap of interests between both partners.



What does the US get out of providing nearly $4 billion in aid to Israel annually?
I'll happily answer, if you give a genuine and realistic answer to how to solve the whole issue ....

USA gets the jewish vote and sympathy vote, within USA - several million votes.

Secure and trusted ally - lets face it Israel isnt going to cuddle Russia or china.
Secure airbase in a complex area.
access to Israeli tech - when in a near war situation, tech evolves much quicker.
Arms sales both to Israel and to the neighbouring countries. means lots of money for the mil-industial complex, and lobbyists.
A balance to Saudi.
 
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Retired British Army colonel Richard Kemp says in his entire military career he’s never known of such an “extraordinary” surprise attack triggered by “deception” like the Israelis conducted in Gaza by duping the world.
 
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The Israeli Defence Force is “touting its success” at destroying many kilometres of tunnels under Gaza but the conflict will not be over until Israel deems Hamas unable to retaliate, according to Sky News contributor Michael Ware.

“What started out years ago as smuggling tunnels under the border and then extended into terror tunnels into Israel has now been in the last seven years into what the Israeli security forces call a metro or a mini city,” he told Sky News.
Mr Ware said it was possible Hamas could be manufacturing rockets from inside the tunnels and Israel will not stop their attack until Hamas loses this capability.
“The way it’s going to end certainly from Israel’s point of view is only when they have so significantly degraded Hamas’ military capability that Hamas will be gun shy from attacking in the near future.”
 
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The Israeli Defence Force is “touting its success” at destroying many kilometres of tunnels under Gaza but the conflict will not be over until Israel deems Hamas unable to retaliate, according to Sky News contributor Michael Ware.

“What started out years ago as smuggling tunnels under the border and then extended into terror tunnels into Israel has now been in the last seven years into what the Israeli security forces call a metro or a mini city,” he told Sky News.
Mr Ware said it was possible Hamas could be manufacturing rockets from inside the tunnels and Israel will not stop their attack until Hamas loses this capability.
“The way it’s going to end certainly from Israel’s point of view is only when they have so significantly degraded Hamas’ military capability that Hamas will be gun shy from attacking in the near future.”
I would give a weeks pay to have been at the after action hamas meeting the day after the fake out Israeli ground troops. $Billion & 7 years to build the metro tunnels only to rush your terrorist into the tunnels & have a large portion of them destroyed in one night. Who thought that was a good tactical plan? & does little Mustaffa still have a job? At some point when they finally admit defeat & want to make nice no one is going to believe them.
 
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But... but "you gotta make peace with your enemy!" :(
 
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Makes sense that rocket are being fired into Israel from Lebanon now. Hamas has quickly been rendered combat ineffective by the IDF, so now Iran must lean on it's Hezbollah stooges to take up the fight.
 
question from those in the know, since google searches never turn up anything other than slanted and biased information... I keep reading about Israel "evicting" people from various areas, and apparently, building settlements in places they should not... I have no idea if those two things are connected, or not. anyone have any more info about those things, and where I could find out more about it?
 
question from those in the know, since google searches never turn up anything other than slanted and biased information... I keep reading about Israel "evicting" people from various areas, and apparently, building settlements in places they should not... I have no idea if those two things are connected, or not. anyone have any more info about those things, and where I could find out more about it?
Gilgoul covered it earlier in the thread:
 
question from those in the know, since google searches never turn up anything other than slanted and biased information... I keep reading about Israel "evicting" people from various areas, and apparently, building settlements in places they should not... I have no idea if those two things are connected, or not. anyone have any more info about those things, and where I could find out more about it?
Diplomacy & UN resolutions are above my pay grade but I think this goes back to the UN Resolution 242 "Land for Peace" giving back territory won by Israel in 1967. I figure if their is no peace then Israel feels justified in occupying or taking back the land. Have a good day reading all the fine print. The Israeli pilots I know are pretty much flying missions & trying to leave the politics out of it. The Arabs I know just want to kill Jews & Christians until the whole world converts to Islam. I read the Koran after 911, it's got it's good points & then it totally comes off the rails with kill the infidels & beat your 4 wives.
 

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