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Fresh in my memory are videos of UA special forces using snipers aiming upwards towards windows. I wonder why. And why did they need to hide behind cover themselves. And why the trees that had ballistics evidence in them to determine where bullets were coming from were cut down and disposed of. ?
Of course for a tin-can head such as yours, this is all soviet propaganda, militarized state forces had to use surgically focused snipers to kill very specific protestors, as means of pacifying the revolt, which makes no sense for anyone other than people obsessed with the Soviet shadow encroaching on their doorstep everytime they go to bed.
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Про спиленные деревья на Майдане
Репортаж на первом канале был конечно идиотский, авторы явно страдают топографическим кретинизмом. Но и с этим, на первый взгляд основательным, разбором полетов тоже не все в порядке. 1. Спилены деревья у позиций силовиков. Понятно почему. 2. При столь подробном анализе где фото нашумевшей дырочки…
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Про спиленные деревья на Майдане
Репортаж на первом канале был конечно идиотский, авторы явно страдают топографическим кретинизмом. Но и с этим, на первый взгляд основательным, разбором полетов тоже не все в порядке. 1. Спилены деревья у позиций силовиков. Понятно почему. 2. При столь подробном анализе где фото нашумевшей дырочки…
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Про спиленные деревья на Майдане
Репортаж на первом канале был конечно идиотский, авторы явно страдают топографическим кретинизмом. Но и с этим, на первый взгляд основательным, разбором полетов тоже не все в порядке. 1. Спилены деревья у позиций силовиков. Понятно почему. 2. При столь подробном анализе где фото нашумевшей дырочки…
1. When I say snipers I’m talking about special forces armed with sniper rifles, not with Ak47s. I’m well aware that some rioters were armed with handguns and shotguns, this wasn’t even hidden at that point.
I’m speaking of snipers armed with musical instruments. Pretty sure you’ve seen those images, as much as you’ve seen special forces dressed in camo aiming at windows.
2. As for live journal, I’d like to read an article that does emotionally yell “lies” after ever paragraph, and provides motivations other than “evil regime” stories. Cops don’t shoot unless they themselves feel threatened.
Sorry for mixing Ukraine into this thread, but you'd have to agree that 2014 events are heavily intertwined with the current events in Belarus.
If the police/military sees that the government is in the wrong, and that its position is unstable and/or on the verge of collapse, its officer staff will start switching sides. (this is in part what happened in Syria, when Assad’s position became extremely shaky, defections started happening)
Of course, not all of them will ally with the opposition, but it is purely human instinct to jump ship and ally yourself with the side that you perceive as either "winning" or "righteous", especially taking into consideration that you are not only putting yourself in danger by sticking to the wrong side, you are also putting your family under threat of future doxing campaigns weaponized by the revolutionaries.
If the police/military refuses to switch sides and sticks loyally to carrying out the government’s orders, it is due to one or all of the following reasons: (a) the officer staff doesn’t see the government’s actions as “wrong”, (b) the officer staff doesn’t have trust in the street crowds, (c) the officer staff feels more threatened by the crowd or by the consequences of the revolution for itself and its families, than it feels threatened by doing their duty.
This is pretty much the reason why Lukashenko pulled that PR stunt at the start of the uprising in Belarus. His first move was to put himself on the ground shoulder to shoulder with the officers who are protecting him, and assure them that he won’t allow them nor their families to be devoured by the consequences of a potential revolution. (even though many officers already by then started receiving family threats and fell under doxing blackmail campaigns, including those announced by Tikhanovskaya herself.)
This PR stunt was (potentially) key to ensuring and solidifying the police/military/intelligence personnel’s allegiance to Lukashenko and not to the street or its leaders. Police often balances on a thin line in these uprising and coups, hence why Berkut ran to Crimea for protection after the coup in Kiev reached finality. They’d be dead otherwise, or would find themselves in extreme discomfort with horrifying consequences.
With regard to Maidan’s history, and basic 101 politics, every officer that’s placed on the street, to stop a revolution, feels the sword of Damocles hanging over his head, was he to make the wrong decision, or to ally with the wrong side. Hence, allegiance of police in revolutionary scenarios (be that allegiance to the street or allegiance to the government) is worth more than gold, as these officers are basically consciously entrusting their livelihoods and their families to a side they chose as the “most correct” of all choices.
Officers won’t commit mass-slaughter of protestors just because they were ordered to do so. You don’t psychologically convert into a cold-blooded psychopath just by joining the police force, or the military. However, you will shoot to: (a) neutralize a target that is firing at you/others, or (b) as a scare-tactic to prevent the crowds from approaching a perimeter you were assigned to defend.
Nobody joins the police or the military to fulfill a life-long desire for killing unarmed civilians. They wouldn’t pass sanity tests at recruitment.
With regard to Maidan:
1. It’s a known fact that “peaceful” protestors started using handguns and shotguns (along with molotov cocktails) far before armed special forces were deployed to the streets.
2. All videos with the involvement of SF groups in Kiev show the use of street-battle tactics, with them pushing cautiously, taking cover, using spotters to identify targets.
3. Transfer of rifles in civilian cars was caught on video.
4. Still no explanation for a group of 10+ masked guys with “musical instruments” in their arms calmly leaving a building after the coup was successfully finalized.
5. Media channels in the country were largely controlled by Ukrainian oligarchs, and nothing changed after the coup d’état took place, other than the the same oligarchs gained even more power through now unrestricted access to government institutions.
6. The entire country became zombified with nationalistic slogans and infested with violent gangs running around streets and attacking “wrong-thinkers” with zero opposition from the new authorities.
7. Right now, the country is still a violent shithole with extremely dubious economic future, still zombified political culture with extreme degrees of censorship.
8. And a “horrifyingly bad” example for Belarus, which is consciously interpreted by the authorities and by the streets of Belarus as horrifyingly bad.
You’re really not fooling anyone with painting childish pictures of “evil dictator, evil blood-thirsty police” stories here. Both sides always consist of people, both sides get threatened, both sides get tired, both sides get angered, both sides react, both sides are scared, both sides want to survive and protect their loved ones. And it’s those who are good at playing on these sentiments and events, that profit from revolutions, unless they are identified and neutralized before S**t becomes irreversibly hopeless for all.
If the police/military sees that the government is in the wrong, and that its position is unstable and/or on the verge of collapse, its officer staff will start switching sides. (this is in part what happened in Syria, when Assad’s position became extremely shaky, defections started happening)
Of course, not all of them will ally with the opposition, but it is purely human instinct to jump ship and ally yourself with the side that you perceive as either "winning" or "righteous", especially taking into consideration that you are not only putting yourself in danger by sticking to the wrong side, you are also putting your family under threat of future doxing campaigns weaponized by the revolutionaries.
If the police/military refuses to switch sides and sticks loyally to carrying out the government’s orders, it is due to one or all of the following reasons: (a) the officer staff doesn’t see the government’s actions as “wrong”, (b) the officer staff doesn’t have trust in the street crowds, (c) the officer staff feels more threatened by the crowd or by the consequences of the revolution for itself and its families, than it feels threatened by doing their duty.
This is pretty much the reason why Lukashenko pulled that PR stunt at the start of the uprising in Belarus. His first move was to put himself on the ground shoulder to shoulder with the officers who are protecting him, and assure them that he won’t allow them nor their families to be devoured by the consequences of a potential revolution. (even though many officers already by then started receiving family threats and fell under doxing blackmail campaigns, including those announced by Tikhanovskaya herself.)
This PR stunt was (potentially) key to ensuring and solidifying the police/military/intelligence personnel’s allegiance to Lukashenko and not to the street or its leaders. Police often balances on a thin line in these uprising and coups, hence why Berkut ran to Crimea for protection after the coup in Kiev reached finality. They’d be dead otherwise, or would find themselves in extreme discomfort with horrifying consequences.
With regard to Maidan’s history, and basic 101 politics, every officer that’s placed on the street, to stop a revolution, feels the sword of Damocles hanging over his head, was he to make the wrong decision, or to ally with the wrong side. Hence, allegiance of police in revolutionary scenarios (be that allegiance to the street or allegiance to the government) is worth more than gold, as these officers are basically consciously entrusting their livelihoods and their families to a side they chose as the “most correct” of all choices.
Officers won’t commit mass-slaughter of protestors just because they were ordered to do so. You don’t psychologically convert into a cold-blooded psychopath just by joining the police force, or the military. However, you will shoot to: (a) neutralize a target that is firing at you/others, or (b) as a scare-tactic to prevent the crowds from approaching a perimeter you were assigned to defend.
Nobody joins the police or the military to fulfill a life-long desire for killing unarmed civilians. They wouldn’t pass sanity tests at recruitment.
With regard to Maidan:
1. It’s a known fact that “peaceful” protestors started using handguns and shotguns (along with molotov cocktails) far before armed special forces were deployed to the streets.
2. All videos with the involvement of SF groups in Kiev show the use of street-battle tactics, with them pushing cautiously, taking cover, using spotters to identify targets.
3. Transfer of rifles in civilian cars was caught on video.
4. Still no explanation for a group of 10+ masked guys with “musical instruments” in their arms calmly leaving a building after the coup was successfully finalized.
5. Media channels in the country were largely controlled by Ukrainian oligarchs, and nothing changed after the coup d’état took place, other than the the same oligarchs gained even more power through now unrestricted access to government institutions.
6. The entire country became zombified with nationalistic slogans and infested with violent gangs running around streets and attacking “wrong-thinkers” with zero opposition from the new authorities.
7. Right now, the country is still a violent shithole with extremely dubious economic future, still zombified political culture with extreme degrees of censorship.
8. And a “horrifyingly bad” example for Belarus, which is consciously interpreted by the authorities and by the streets of Belarus as horrifyingly bad.
You’re really not fooling anyone with painting childish pictures of “evil dictator, evil blood-thirsty police” stories here. Both sides always consist of people, both sides get threatened, both sides get tired, both sides get angered, both sides react, both sides are scared, both sides want to survive and protect their loved ones. And it’s those who are good at playing on these sentiments and events, that profit from revolutions, unless they are identified and neutralized before S**t becomes irreversibly hopeless for all.
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Posting memes usually means you can't argue against evidence ?
I know that for you the line between "protestor" and "terrorist" is quite blurred, so it doesn't matter if they're killing people, as long as they are fighting against a regime YOU dislike, they're fluffy bunnies. How dare police punish crimes which I desire to happen, right?
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Lukashenko's thugs, already equipped with military-grade guns, because they are "threatened" by red-white balloons, umbrellas and sometime flying bottles of water.
Well of course they are gonna take measures when the interior minister himself publicly announced that his forces will use live ammo against them. WTF do you expect?
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Well of course they are gonna take measures when the interior minister himself publicly announced that his forces will use live ammo against them. WTF do you expect?
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"Nationwide strike" following ultimatum for Lukashenko to step down before midnight last night fails as only a fraction of workers across the country join.
EU regime change agency didn't hire enough freedom loving democrats ?
EU regime change agency didn't hire enough freedom loving democrats ?
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Another day of duty for Lukashenko's "police". This particular thug didn't even notice the CCTV cameras while he attacked two people right on their doorstep.
I'm just wondering, are we still gonna pretend that these degenerates are actually Law enforcement? A bunch of kids smoking dope on abandoned parking lot are more suitable to be cops. Furries are more police. If a burglar tries to break in my house, I rather call a prostitute for help instead these guys.
I'm just wondering, are we still gonna pretend that these degenerates are actually Law enforcement? A bunch of kids smoking dope on abandoned parking lot are more suitable to be cops. Furries are more police. If a burglar tries to break in my house, I rather call a prostitute for help instead these guys.
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Here is your chance and you don't even need to snick across border like some paid degenerates do
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You mean lithuanians?
Well, your government recognizes Tihanovskaya as legitimate president of Belarus so she can order to disperse belarusian Law enforcement or something.
Give it up, bro, your horse is dead.
If they work for the government, this is very likely counter-intelligence (KGB likely), not law enforcement. And I can see the first thing he did was slapping the dude in the ear. This is a common trick in boxing, if you want to disorient your opponent quickly without having to exert any physical force. So looks professionally executed to me.
As to why the dude was arrested by KGB... well, we don't know that, neither do you.
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