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As said they ingore the WTO when they lose and at the same take cases to it. Its a bit like Paris its days are numbered. China is taking on the US, ignored or obfuscated by some redeeming regulation or law..not that they play fair with their stock piles to control prices and tariffs on Aussie when they don't acquiesce to Chinese policy.
 
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I don't know, there must be some calculus going on. But Canada has had a good thing going with crazy high tariffs for a long time. Time to get real. I think anyone here could have advised the Ontario guy not to threaten Trump with even higher tariffs.

The sooner this tariff situation is resolved, the better. Canada simply can't win this.
I fail to see this as a good thing for any of the participants. Trump doesn't seem like a guy, who generally sees a win-win situation as enough.
 
Yes but in New York you don't plan and build a sky scraper with all the fancy Trump gold facets in a week. All these people have big ideas.
Tell me how else will they get going again. You have 24/7 factories in China. You can't beat that by sitting back.

Sent a drawing at 4 am to Taiwan, got an immediate reply. Midnight there

Hard lessons that Trump is giving. But dependency on someone else making all your stuff is bad for the world. South Africa could have lots of factories for apparel, so its in this downward spiral because China has them all. Ironically they are in Brics together.
EU there is not much we will be buying at this rate from the EU. Its sad on many levels..but hey alls fair according to the WTO.
 
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How dare Canada respond to US tariffs.

For real though, sometimes the argument for starting a trade war with Canada is about trade sometimes its about fentanyl, what ever suits the moment. Like wtf, was trump's own trade agreement with canada so bad that this is the solution.

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Hard lessons that Trump is giving. But dependency on someone else making all your stuff is bad for the world. South Africa could have lots of factories for apparel, so its in this downward spiral because China has them all. Ironically they are in Brics together.
EU there is not much we will be buying at this rate from the EU. Its sad on many levels..but hey alls fair according to the WTO.

Another scenario is, that tariffs will only be placed on and by the US. Other countries will then have competitive advantage over the US on the global market, improving their economies. When companies move production to the US, they will have to keep up the tariffs because their prices are not competitive due to higher wage costs. There might be more jobs but prices also go up.
 
How dare Canada respond to US tariffs.

For real though, sometimes the argument for starting a trade war with Canada is about trade sometimes its about fentanyl, what ever suits the moment. Like wtf, was trump's own trade agreement with canada so bad that this is the solution.

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Are you Canada's lawyer now?
 
Just trying to understand, since like you said you don't understand this either.
I understand the tariffs, I don't understand the 51st State business to be honest. But it is what it is. Canada will need to talk tough for a bit., elections are coming up, but like I said, they can't win this. The US is their largest trading partner, by far.
 
I understand the tariffs
You do? Okay, so can you help me understand how Canada, a population of 40 million can ever not have a trade surplus with a 350 million USA?
Since that was the first reason; US trade deficit for the tariffs, then its switched to fentanyl and now back to trade. So maybe even my question is outdated, i don't know.
 
You do? Okay, so can you help me understand how Canada, a population of 40 million can ever not have a trade surplus with a 350 million USA?
Since that was the first reason; US trade deficit for the tariffs, then its switched to fentanyl and now back to trade. So maybe even my question is outdated, i don't know.
The tariffs are unfair considering how much business is done with US. No one likes to give up free money, but I'm sure a deal will be reached.
 
America exported 350 billion USD to Canada by year 2023 and 2024. A third of that amount are cars (unsellable anywhere else than the American continent), Machinery, nuclear power plants, electrical equipment.

Canada exports 440 billion, a third of that energy and fossils. Not easy to replace or staying competitive if tariffed and more expensive.
 
America exported 350 billion USD to Canada by year 2023 and 2024. A third of that amount are cars (unsellable anywhere else than the American continent), Machinery, nuclear power plants, electrical equipment.

Canada exports 440 billion, a third of that energy and fossils. Not easy to replace or staying competitive if tariffed and more expensive.
That goes both ways.
 
See. That didn't take long.

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Another scenario is, that tariffs will only be placed on and by the US. Other countries will then have competitive advantage over the US on the global market, improving their economies. When companies move production to the US, they will have to keep up the tariffs because their prices are not competitive due to higher wage costs. There might be more jobs but prices also go up.
EU moved to tariff Chinese electric cars. They don't want to loose their last bastion of green ideology.
Thats all they care about...not the sewist or machinist whom is proud of the job their polititians called menial and got them fired.
EU is in the same predicament as the US. Time will tell but the realism is that the Chinese have been waging merchantile war while they ignored the fact. Very similar to convenient Russian cheap gas. Its not a good dependency.
 
Another scenario is, that tariffs will only be placed on and by the US. Other countries will then have competitive advantage over the US on the global market, improving their economies. When companies move production to the US, they will have to keep up the tariffs because their prices are not competitive due to higher wage costs. There might be more jobs but prices also go up.
Local factories employ local people, generally at low/minimum wage levels.

If you dont employ them, and employ China to do it, you have to pay tax, to pay welfare/social security to the unemployed.

There is a balance to be found, because competition drives innovation and drives down price or drives features that people want up.

So if you can afford to have 2-3 local companies competing, then you should be ok. If you only have one, it becomes state sanctioned, employs 200 DEI staff, and makes crap.

From a tax paying view, I'd go with Trump, and from making peoples lives better, the same. a life on the dole is not a good thing. From a national security view, the same.
 
And I was wrong in hours. Things sure move fast now.

Ontario suspends electricity surcharge after Trump boosts steel, aluminum

Washington — Hours after President Donald Trump threatened Tuesday to levy tariffs on Canada that would "permanently shut down the automobile manufacturing business" there, Ontario's premier suspended a 25% surcharge on electricity exported to the United States, a possible move toward calming a burgeoning trade war.

The moves came a day after Ontario Premier Doug Ford imposed the power surcharge . Trump, in turn, said in a Truth Social post that he would issue 50% tariffs on steel and aluminum coming from Canada, effective Wednesday, and renewed his call for the country to become the 51st U.S. state.

Ford said he would travel to Washington, D.C., to meet Thursday with U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick.

Trump previously promised to place widespread "reciprocal tariffs" on countries with import duties on U.S. goods, effective April 2. He threatened to raise those duties even higher on Canadian vehicles if the country does not eliminate new and previously existing trade barriers impacting exchanges with the United States.

"If other egregious, long time Tariffs are not likewise dropped by Canada, I will substantially increase, on April 2nd, the Tariffs on Cars coming into the U.S. which will, essentially, permanently shut down the automobile manufacturing business in Canada," Trump wrote.

"Those cars can easily be made in the USA!" he added.

► RELATED REPORT: Ontario ups ante in trade war with energy surcharge. Here's how Michigan will be affected

Trump's post escalated an ongoing economic — and increasingly political — conflict between historically close North American allies with the potential to shake key energy and automotive sectors.

The impacts of any further escalations could be especially harmful to Michigan, given its heavy economic reliance on the auto industry and proximity to Ontario. All three major Michigan automakers, along with Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Ltd., have operations in Ontario, which is Canada's main automotive hub. Last year combined they produced about 1.3 million light-duty vehicles, and imported into the United States just under 1.1 million of those.

"The U.S. only has the capacity of producing 16% of the aluminum they need," Ford told CNN earlier, describing the trade war as an "unprovoked attack." "Pretty well the balance — over 60% — comes from Quebec, so costs are going to go up. ... This is absolute chaos created by one person, and that's Donald Trump."

He added that the real threat and focus should be on China. The Asian nation on Saturday announced tariffs on over $2.6 billion worth of Canadian agricultural and food products on Saturday, retaliating against levies Ottawa leveled in October.

Incoming Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney said Tuesday his government maintain tariffs until Canada's southern neighbor demonstrates respect and commits to free trade.

 
Actually Trumps last admin tariffs on China caused more offshoring to get round it. A problem for this time so tariff should be applied on corporate level and not just country of origin.
 
What China sells to the USA and the EU today is´nt really minimum wage stuff. China is not that cheap anymore and cheap goods production moved elsewhere.
 
Bulgarian can compete ok, Ukraine a bit better vs China within the EU with freight, Vat and some tariff at the same price point. But Chinese have got all the parts materials labour well organized thats not going to alter plus a billion sized market. Then India is progressing. That offshoring also means if EU waits till parity to compete it may be some decades and all the engineers and useful people are in a museum.
The belt road thing to speed it up was astounding how eagerly they signed onto it...yes please to more unemployed and let us know if we can assist more with that.
 
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