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It cannot be overstated how huge this defeat was for Cheney/The Swamp and how huge of a victory for MAGA. With full support from the Swamp, DC donors, Democrats, and with millions upon millions of dollars in donations, Cheney was routed by the voters of Wyoming by an almost 40 percent margin.
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I ain't baiting, just an honest question.
If a democrat, Joe Biden or whoever, played the same role that Trump played in the Capitol attack and ANTIFA etc. folk did what trump supporters did. You wouldn't think it worthy of impeachment? I doubt it, i think you would calling for their heads.
Just please tell me i'm wrong and why, since this just seems like "my side did it so it's okay"
I have to admit to some bias, i had respect for Trump for almost everything he did, but when before the election he said: "only way we lose is due to fraud" my view of him changed. You can basically kiss your Republic goodbye at that point when a sitting president says before the election that he isn't going to believe the results, thats some third world stuff right there. Is there any precedent for this kind of behaviour in the US history?
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what role did Trump play? the role of nothing? wrestling control of his vehicle away from SS agents? you do realize leftists were rioting when Trump was inaugurated in 2016? do you not recall the same thing was said about Trumps election win in 2016? that he didnt really win, that the "russians" somehow stole the election?
zero evidence of ANY kind of election fraud in 2016, MULTIPLE instances of election fraud by the left in 2020.
I dont mean to sound disrespectful in any of that, to be sure. Lots of misinformation out there, and lots of real info quickly buried and forgotten in this day and age. Truth is not the goal in our media anymore...
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That's pretty much what the Dems and never-Trumpers ran with when Hillary lost back in 2016.
In fact they went with it even before she lost. During the second presidential debate Hillary started talking about it dropping "Russia", "Putin", "17 intelligence agencies", etc...
And they kept on running with it, even today. Though investigations came back negative, Committees didn't produce anything remotely conclusive.
It is not giving Trump a pass, nor justifying anything.
Factually, what happened is basically the Dems projecting.
None of the things they accused Trump of doing happened by Trump's actions. On the other hand most of the things the claimed would happen under Trump and threatened Trump would do, either happened or were actively perpetrated by the Dems.
They literally did the things they accused Trump of doing. And the rest was simply made up.
Sure, having a candidate saying he/she won't trust the results until they are all fully counted is concerning. But that's what actually happened back in 2016, with a significant number of Democrat Senators refusing to certify the electoral votes of their states.
Since 2016 the craziest political conspiracy theories got pushed, and they were pushed by Democrats politicians, pundits and activists.
Things that were much more crazier than the 9/11 conspiracies (jet fuel/fire can't melt steel beams, and such).
And they got embraced wholeheartedly, even by people on this thread. Telmar for instance.
"Is it true? I don't know but I don't like the guy, so I believe it likely happened."
"Are there proof it happened? Someone said they heard someone say to someone else, someone told them they heard something somewhere (which basically was one of the predicament for Trump's first impeachment by the way). But I don't like the guy, so it is totally plausible."
"Did it happen? I don't like the guy, so yeah it happened."
"Did he really say that? Don't know, people told me he said it, I didn't check. But I don't like the guy, so he said it."
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It depends on what you believe.
Ray Epps wasn't hired by Trump to stir up the crowd, He was an FBI operative.
Trump didn't open the doors to the Capitol building and wave protesters in, it was the Capitol Police.
Trump didn't block having NG troops for crowd control that day, it was Pelosi and Milley.
Trump didn't murder Ashli Babbit, it was Michael Byrd who also may be connected to Nancy Pelosi.
It wasn't Trump who planted the pipe bombs, (which thankfully didn't go off), it appears that person's identity is being protected by the FBI.
Did I mention that when Washington DC was being burned to the ground by ANTIFA and BLM and people were getting killed, all the above actors watched with glee. But grandmas walking into a Public Building and taking selfies is an insurrection.
The Jan 6 hearings are a joke. And as we see, the American voter has had their fill of it.
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So the answer to my question would be "no" then? In similar circumstance playing the same role as Trump, a democrat shouldn't be impeached?
Ok. Maybe at least at fault partly? To me as a foreigner this whole 2019 capitol thing reminded me of Mark Anthony's behavior at Caesar's funeral. both dindu nuffin
Did they breach the capitol to try to stop/interfere with a congressional session? I don't understand this underselling of one side and overestimating the other in gravity/effect. Has there in US history ever before been a serious attempt of trying to disrupt a congressional session where guns have been pulled out by security?
Some time later during the BLM riots i remember people "on the right" calling for the heads of those responsible, including those that did nothing about it = "with a role of nothing" (state governors etc.)
And i understand them completely. The rioting was disgusting.
Both were disgusting and should not be part of a civilized democracy, few things are worse than rule of the mob in a republic.
I do, but that's not a same thing as a sitting president running for a second term saying such a thing. Thats just media BS.
Not the same thing in gravity.
Ok. But hasn't there been multiple recounts and results of those have been that all is fine and dandy? Arizona for example? Genuinely curious btw.
Edit. I know that in many minds Trump = Gracchus reborn 'going against the swamp for the people' (hopefully the end wont be the same)
But there's a fine line between a populist and a demagogue.
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Trump WAS impeached, (after he left office and for the second time) and was acquitted. I missed if any "lawmakers" were impeached for fueling riots all over the country which killed dozens of people, injured hundreds and caused billions in damages.
It appears from video, (most has STILL not been released), that barricades were moved, doors were opened and Capitol Police stood by as protesters were allowed in. Most were peaceful, even picking up trash as they left. Some weren't. But none of that would have happened with proper security.
It was as if some were hoping for more violence and perhaps hoping the Capitol Building would be ransacked and burned to the ground. How disappointing that most protesters were peaceful.
I guess what I'm saying is, as more evidence comes out, it seems Jan 6 was a set up.
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The Incredible Shrinking Merrick Garland
Below is my column in USA Today on the diminishing role of Attorney General Merrick Garland at the Justice Department after a series of controversies. As a well-known moderate,…
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mob rule? show me where this supposed right wing mob has done anything but tout the sanctity of the constitution and the bill of rights....
I can find, MULTIPLE instances of the left, not just any on the left but those who wield political and popular power, advocating for trashing the constitution or amending it in such a way that it no longer serves the wisdom and vision of the founding birthing people.
the right, and conservatives in general, right down to the dumbest 2nd grade drop out, holds the constitution in great reverence, even if they know nothing about it....
the left, and the new breed of liberals, from the most vapid twitter poster to the phd teaching your kids about civics, often times thinks the constitution and the bill of rights should be discarded....
you ask about a democrat "playing a similar role as Trump shouldnt be impeached" not sure what you mean, since the role played by Trump was approximately null, so no, no grounds for impeachment for a democrat in similar circumstances.... maybe I am not understanding your question however....
rightly or wrongly, what the right, and conservatives in general believe, and with solid evidence to back up this belief, is that the left, the liberals, and their supporters have not had their feet held to the fire for ANYTHING, no matter how egregious and clear cut. Its clear to us that the left has control of the majority of the power structures of this country, and can get away with literal murder. they are not held accountable for ANYTHING.
your error is that its all about Trump, its not. its about the circumstances that led to the situation that had Trump elected...
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It has everything.
Terrible legal take.
General ignorance of the Law.
General ignorance of how the Constitution works.
Snobbish tone.
Just perfect.
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love how they accuse him of things they actually have no evidence of occurring, and basically just fling stuff at him and hope it sticks, even without any evidence...
"no fealty to the oaths bla bla bla...." with out a single shred of proof of this... somehow damaging to the rule of law without having either gotten away with anything, or actually done anything.... meanwhile the dems/left shred and destroy and ignore any attempt to get THEM to respect or honor the rule of law....
not even a Trump fan personally. never even heard of him before 2016.... but the attacks from these people illuminate who the real enemy is.
Copyright by Starship trooper...
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I haven't posted on it yet, but I have seen reports this morning that these were the "top secret" documents the FBI was looking for on their Gestapo raid. Documents which incriminate them.
Certainly Trump has copies.
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Oh my looks like Trump declassified stuff by following the rules and didn't do it like some sleazy imbecile like some are wishing.
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copyright by starship trooper? what is that supposed to mean? what is the Trump connection?Copyright by Starship trooper...
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Hiryu is trying to make a parallel.
Basically his interpretation of De Santis' "wish" is "De Santis wants to build a police state where kids are taught by former cops and militarymen, thus their citizenship is only guaranteed by some kind of fascistic brainwashing".
What Hiryu is missing though, is basically everything and is assuming a bit too much for his own good.
First line of the article: "The governor suggests proposed legislation would be up for consideration in the upcoming legislative session that starts in March."
suggests
proposed
would be
up for consideration
Lots of conditionals.
Then, come the details about the requirements which nuance the whole thing even more. But which Hiryu discarded in favor of some dubious, hastily taped together, "conclusion".
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