Politics Riots in Kazakhstan - jan 2022

[morris]

Ah, my bad I thought it was another flight.

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A day ago NEXTA was giving old advice to the rioters about how to attack Kazakh LEOs and now it has explosive buthurt as usual. BTW, talking about the West involvement, the NEXTA is financed and curated by Poland's state security as they admitted in the interview during Belarus election event.

 

[morris]

Now for the funny part.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Foreign Ministry spokesperson Fazilrabi Zahin published a statement Thursday saying the administration is "closely monitoring the situation in Kazakhstan and, as a close neighbor and economic partner state, is concerned about the recent unrest."
The ministry also "urges both the government and protestors to resolve issues through talks and peaceful means, and to return calm and stability to the country."

And now Psaki and Europeans started to make similar statements

 

[Chazman]

Now for the funny part.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Foreign Ministry spokesperson Fazilrabi Zahin published a statement Thursday saying the administration is "closely monitoring the situation in Kazakhstan and, as a close neighbor and economic partner state, is concerned about the recent unrest."
The ministry also "urges both the government and protestors to resolve issues through talks and peaceful means, and to return calm and stability to the country."

And now Psaki and Europeans started to make similar statements

Yes...refrain from beheadings and public hangings from cranes......

 

[Fluff]

Yes...refrain from beheadings and public hangings from cranes......

At least where you can be seen…..

 

[MartinLavin]

is there a spokeman coming forward? Any deported kazak claiming the throne?

AFAIK there is no centralized opposition in Kstan, so multipe unknown groups published pamflets with various ridiculous claims.

if not it suggests a genuine 'pissed-off' populace.

Lets us US as an example. Lets say something happened in Boston (local food prices skyrocketed) and people started to unrest. Then following Boston people in NY and LA started massive violence without any specific claims. TBH it doesn't look like simple 'pissed-off' populace protesting.

 

[1645556315]

Well, seems US just stubborn moved step by step, we can expect some US-orchestrated escalation in Transnistria this year. That is bad (for Moldavia in first place). Good side - they have nearly exhausted list of own "geopolitical measures".

Screenshot from "Extending Russia. Competing from Advantageous Ground." RAND report 2019 https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

 

[1645556315]

Units of Belorussian 103 Airborne Brigade and Kyrgyzstan's 25 Spetsnaz Brigade participates in Kazakhstan CSTO operation.

 

[Chazman]

Paywall, but available video.

Looks like Putin is making his move.

Kazakhstan Unrest and Russia’s Intervention Transform Ties With Moscow

As violence grows, the Russian military deployment injects a new element into the crisis in the former Soviet republic.

www.wsj.com

 

[goldfishsoldier]

Well this has been a wild ride reading through this thread I didn't think Kazakhstan was gonna go off like this I'll be following closely.

 

[morris]

Paywall, but available video.

Looks like Putin is making his move.

Kazakhstan Unrest and Russia’s Intervention Transform Ties With Moscow

As violence grows, the Russian military deployment injects a new element into the crisis in the former Soviet republic.

www.wsj.com

There isn't much new information in the article, which also lacks statistical accuracy like the statement "At independence in 1991, ethnic Kazakhs were a minority in their own homeland".
Also the author Yaroslav Trofimov doesn't mention anything about tribes and clans nature of Kazakh society and why Nursultan Nazarbayev was replaced by Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, which was done by Kazakh aristocracy.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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[MartinLavin]

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At the same time, as reported by Russian media:

In his nation address statement Tokaev said that he gave the order for the military and police to shoot to kill.
He also said that 20 thousand bandits attacked Alma-Ata, including foreign nationals.

No comments... I don't think this guy knows how to diffuse this situation.

 

[thelistener]

Lets us US as an example. Lets say something happened in Boston (local food prices skyrocketed) and people started to unrest. Then following Boston people in NY and LA started massive violence without any specific claims. TBH it doesn't look like simple 'pissed-off' populace protesting.

Good sir.
Population can be pissed off about multiple things but it just needs a spark from one to start the unrest. For example the
Yellow vests protests in France or the BLM riots in USA. KZ people are affected by unemployment and systemic corruption. It doesn't need an outside force if that is what you're implying

Well, seems US just stubborn moved step by step, we can expect some US-orchestrated escalation in Transnistria this year. That is bad (for Moldavia in first place). Good side - they have nearly exhausted list of own "geopolitical measures".

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Screenshot from "Extending Russia. Competing from Advantageous Ground." RAND report 2019 https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

Why is it so hard to believe that unhappy people protest without outside influence, and the high fuel prices were the spark? Or did the Russians cause the yellow west movement in france like some claim? Because why would there be protesting in france, when this time is the best time to be alive in human history in the west, without Russian influence?

Also the rand corporation is not the US government.
And do you believe that a administration change does not affect foreign policy (report is from 2019) If yes then please have a word with this forums US users in the biden threat good sir

 

[Jake84]

No one can blame Russia, Russia Today, Putin for the yellow vest movements, beside Macron himself. There would be a lot to write about the YV but the then recently elected young French President, his « carbon tax », his tirades against the French and some institutions etc.

As I said best to focus on the situation in KZ.

Prices, unemployment and cost of living no doubt are a foot here, but corruption would be very high on the list of the protesters as well, most of Central Asia and former Soviet republics have politicians and leaders that make the Game of Thrones stuffs almost tame.

It’s fair game to try to compare different unrest but BLM/French YV or the KZ latest violence seen have no real common ground or spark tbh.

 

[morris]

dream for GULAG to be restored

Why do disgruntled Bashi-bazouks dream for GULAG?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Soviet nostalgics are to be mostly found in Western countries.

"Communism was awesome", "communism was never really tried", "it wasn't done properly", "Stalin wasn't such a bad guy", "viva el Che!", etc...

In Russia and former soviet countries you won't see much teenagers, young adults and adults cheering for "the good old days" to be back.

 

[tea-drinker]

As other lads alluded to, can be foreign actors or domestic s**t stirrers but little happens without a general consensus of discontent.
No fire without smoke ;-) . Seems Kazakhstan had serious inflation this year.

Inflation falls to lowest level since August in November

Consumer prices increased 0.75% over the previous month in November, accelerating from October’s 0.70% increase. November’s uptick was the highest reading since June. The acceleration was primarily due to rising prices for foodstuffs. Inflation came in at 8.7% in November, down from October’s...

www.focus-economics.com

Are there any guys with some knowledge on economics at play here? Looking at Turkey with 9% inflation last month, has burned through 20+ billion USD to keep lira afloat, now down to 8 bilion reserves, serious inflation still afoot.
Yet no s**t stirrers running around burning / stabbing?

 

[morris]

Samat Abish, the nephew of ex-President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, was detained in Alma-Ata, reports Orda.kz. Previously, Abish served as First Deputy Chairman of the National Security Committee of Kazakhstan.

Former President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev left the country with his daughters.

 

[morris]

Armenian peacekeepers on the way to Kazakhstan.

 

[morris]

According to the Ministry of Energy of Kazakhstan, oil and gas production in Kazakhstan did not stop. The decline in production was only at the Tengiz field due to restrictions on the export of products. All three refineries of the republic are operating normally.