Politics Riots in Gaza and Israel

[Telmar]

This round of violence has ended. Hamas has done its job. All actors can now prepare themselves for the all-defining battle that surely will come about between Iran and Israel in the not-so-distant future.

You sound like you want it over any other outcome

 

[Chazman]

This round of violence has ended. Hamas has done its job. All actors can now prepare themselves for the all-defining battle that surely will come about between Iran and Israel in the not-so-distant future.

It's job?

Would that be for the Palestinian people or someone else?

 

[Mardonius]

You sound like you want it over any other outcome

I don't.

It isn't wishful thinking on my part, but what Iran itself is openly saying. There is a reason why Israel calls this era the 'War between the Wars'.

 

[Mardonius]

It's job?

I mean from Iran's point of view. Did you read the Newsweek article?

 

[Chazman]

I mean from Iran's point of view. Did you read the Newsweek article?

You mean as hired mercenaries with no regard for their own people. They are either extremely stupid or extremely brain washed. Probably both.

 

[surfpunk]

Well, the battle rattle has increased over the last few minutes, maybe the grand finale, getting their licks in before the magick hour...

 

[FLYNAVY]

One lone rocket from Gaza @ 0201. 1 minute into the cease fire. Poor little thing went straight up & limp dicked straight back down. Bless it's precious heart. Sirens didn't even go off to view it as a threat. Iran has threatened hamas & hezbollah to keep fighting or heads will roll. Their paychecks will be a few rials short this week.

 

[surfpunk]

They are all out celebrating in Gaza ATM

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[morris]

Same time same place in 7 years time

Next 7 years will be unpredictable because of global geopolitical complexity.
Will ayatollahs get the nukes, will China replace US as world dominant power, will there be more pandemics, etc, etc, etc?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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[Chazman]

Numbers From Israel’s ‘Guardian Of The Walls’ Shows Palestinian Terrorists Took A Drubbing From The IDF

Initial numbers coming out of Gaza from the Israel Defense Forces’ (IDF) operation “Guardian of the Walls” shows that Palestinian terrorists took a beating in response to the countless terrorist attacks that they launched against Israel over the last couple of weeks. “During the 11 days of the...

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[Mike1976]

A couple of hundred fighters lost including a sizeable portion of leadership, the logistics infrastructure destroyed, heavy weaponry and fighting positions vaporized, 15% of your ordnance hitting your own positions and 90% of the stuff that did launch in a path towards anything relevant being intercepted in return for less than a dozen dead Israelis and a couple of buildings requiring new plastering.

If this is what a Gazan victory looks like then what constitutes a draw? Gaza turned into the Netanyahu Coastal Lagoon? ?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Though Israel has slapped (once again) Hamas/Hezbollah, that slap is far from being unrecoverable.

It's cheap labor, in cheap buildings and cheap weapons. All that is easily replaceable.

What's valuable though is the public opinion and the traction it gets.

 

[Mardonius]

Senior Israeli Army Officials Raise Doubts Over Effectiveness of Gaza Operation​

In light of the cease-fire agreement, senior Israeli officials in the security establishment have raised questions about the effectiveness of their Gaza Strip operation, particularly how much damage was inflicted on Hamas' rocket network.

The officials, however, believe the operation successfully deterred Hamas, which has deployed forces in the Strip to subdue "rebels" who would renew fire against Israel.

Prior to the operation, the intelligence establishment believed Hamas was bound to the understandings with Israel and would refrain from an escalation. The IDF is currently identifying what developments encouraged Hamas to stray from the expected course of action, including the delay of the Palestinian parliamentary elections at the end of April, the clashes at Jerusalem's Damascus Gate and the attempts to evict Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of East Jerusalem.

The Israeli army said that the damage to Hamas' rocket arrays was more limited than planned. Throughout the escalation, Israel attacked some 40 percent of rocket launchers controlled by Hamas, but had difficultly striking other sites, partially due to a lack of precise intelligence. According to the intelligence assessment, Hamas retained the ability to launch large numbers of rockets at Israel. The pace of the rocket fire and intensity of the salvos were the highest Israel has ever witnessed: From the start of this round of fighting, militants in the Gaza Strip fired 4,360 rockets and mortar shells– some 3,400 of which crossed into Israeli territory.

The Israeli army's most daring task was the operation to wipe out Hamas' underground tunnel network, dubbed "Blue South." The operational plan was approved during the tenure of Avigdor Lieberman as Defense Minister, which ended in 2018, and has since been updated twice. The IDF's attack on the tunnel system was supposed to pave the way for a ground operation, as a surprise move in the first days of an extended conflict with Hamas. Before the operation was executed, senior army officials debated whether it should be enacted in the absence of a ground invasion into the Strip as a way of subduing Hamas. Ultimately, Chief-of-Staff Aviv Kochavi approved the operation.

The number of casualties of Gaza militants in the operation – dozens to hundreds – was much smaller than planned, yet the Southern Command deemed it a success because it compromised Hamas activists' sense of security. The Israeli army believes that a large number of Hamas activists remain buried beneath the rubble of the tunnels and that the death toll will rise.

Despite the Israeli army's intention to avoid civilian casualties, through alerting residents in buildings that were slated to be attacked, a high number of civilians lost their lives in the fighting. The Palestinian Health Ministry reported 243 people killed, including 66 children and 39 women. In addition, they reported 1,910 injured. The army expects that the number of dead and wounded will rise as the rubble is cleared.

The army sees the destruction of Hamas cells of anti-tank missile launchers, which had worried Israel before the operation, as a success. Air Force and ground troops destroyed some 20 antitank missile launchers.

In recent days, four antitank missiles were launched at Israel. One killed a soldier, Omer Tabib, near the town of Netiv Ha'asara, and in another incident damaged a civilian car, lightly wounding one person.

Senior Israeli army officials raise doubts over effectiveness of Gaza operation

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Fluff]

Senior Israeli Army Officials Raise Doubts Over Effectiveness of Gaza Operation​

In light of the cease-fire agreement, senior Israeli officials in the security establishment have raised questions about the effectiveness of their Gaza Strip operation, particularly how much damage was inflicted on Hamas' rocket network.

The officials, however, believe the operation successfully deterred Hamas, which has deployed forces in the Strip to subdue "rebels" who would renew fire against Israel.

Prior to the operation, the intelligence establishment believed Hamas was bound to the understandings with Israel and would refrain from an escalation. The IDF is currently identifying what developments encouraged Hamas to stray from the expected course of action, including the delay of the Palestinian parliamentary elections at the end of April, the clashes at Jerusalem's Damascus Gate and the attempts to evict Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of East Jerusalem.

The Israeli army said that the damage to Hamas' rocket arrays was more limited than planned. Throughout the escalation, Israel attacked some 40 percent of rocket launchers controlled by Hamas, but had difficultly striking other sites, partially due to a lack of precise intelligence. According to the intelligence assessment, Hamas retained the ability to launch large numbers of rockets at Israel. The pace of the rocket fire and intensity of the salvos were the highest Israel has ever witnessed: From the start of this round of fighting, militants in the Gaza Strip fired 4,360 rockets and mortar shells– some 3,400 of which crossed into Israeli territory.

The Israeli army's most daring task was the operation to wipe out Hamas' underground tunnel network, dubbed "Blue South." The operational plan was approved during the tenure of Avigdor Lieberman as Defense Minister, which ended in 2018, and has since been updated twice. The IDF's attack on the tunnel system was supposed to pave the way for a ground operation, as a surprise move in the first days of an extended conflict with Hamas. Before the operation was executed, senior army officials debated whether it should be enacted in the absence of a ground invasion into the Strip as a way of subduing Hamas. Ultimately, Chief-of-Staff Aviv Kochavi approved the operation.

The number of casualties of Gaza militants in the operation – dozens to hundreds – was much smaller than planned, yet the Southern Command deemed it a success because it compromised Hamas activists' sense of security. The Israeli army believes that a large number of Hamas activists remain buried beneath the rubble of the tunnels and that the death toll will rise.

Despite the Israeli army's intention to avoid civilian casualties, through alerting residents in buildings that were slated to be attacked, a high number of civilians lost their lives in the fighting. The Palestinian Health Ministry reported 243 people killed, including 66 children and 39 women. In addition, they reported 1,910 injured. The army expects that the number of dead and wounded will rise as the rubble is cleared.

The army sees the destruction of Hamas cells of anti-tank missile launchers, which had worried Israel before the operation, as a success. Air Force and ground troops destroyed some 20 antitank missile launchers.

In recent days, four antitank missiles were launched at Israel. One killed a soldier, Omer Tabib, near the town of Netiv Ha'asara, and in another incident damaged a civilian car, lightly wounding one person.

Senior Israeli army officials raise doubts over effectiveness of Gaza operation

***

www.haaretz.com

Hundreds of fighters, and hundreds of civilians dead, in return for what 10 israelis, of which what 1 or 2 were in uniform? This is what success looks like? 3400 shots reached Israel, yes, and 80 or 90% of them were intercepted - its all in the editing isnt it?

You realise the israelis now go away, with a plan to field robot tunnel fighters, robot tanks, cheap short range guided missiles, laser defences, etc, while the poor palestinians order more breeze blocks and concrete.

 

[Mike1976]

Hundreds of fighters, and hundreds of civilians dead, in return for what 10 israelis, of which what 1 or 2 were in uniform? This is what success looks like? 3400 shots reached Israel, yes, and 80 or 90% of them were intercepted - its all in the editing isnt it?

You realise the israelis now go away, with a plan to field robot tunnel fighters, robot tanks, cheap short range guided missiles, laser defences, etc, while the poor palestinians order more breeze blocks and concrete.

Loads of time and money spent on tunnels that were destroyed in less than an hour without any fancy robotics or specialist munitions. Just regular old bombs and shells with a delayed fuse.